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The true church heads are not in Catholic history. Hmmmmm
Then you should have no problem naming ONE "true church head" in early church history, but you can't. You're taught to ignore the evidence of who the "true church heads" really were, so you are forced to make up a history of your own. Revisionists offer no names, no dates, and no quotes, just empty assertions of a mysterious body of "true believers" pulled out of thin air.

 
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I'm not sure who you are addressing here. If it's me I think you misunderstand what I'm saying...I suggest you read my post a little more carefully. Now particularly this part...
Jesus came thru Mary and is her seed!
She is the queen of heaven and the throne of grace! Rev 12
Heb 4:16
 

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Then you should have no problem naming ONE "true church head" in early church history, but you can't. You're taught to ignore the evidence of who the "true church heads" really were, so you are forced to make up a history of your own. Revisionists offer no names, no dates, and no quotes, just empty assertions of a mysterious body of "true believers" pulled out of thin air.


You didn't read my post or you wouldn't say I can't. I showed where Eusebius did already. James, Symeon, grandsons of Jude. All desposyni.
 

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Then you should have no problem naming ONE "true church head" in early church history, but you can't. You're taught to ignore the evidence of who the "true church heads" really were, so you are forced to make up a history of your own. Revisionists offer no names, no dates, and no quotes, just empty assertions of a mysterious body of "true believers" pulled out of thin air.

Having me on "ignore" won't help you. But I could name several church heads that did tremendous work for the gospel without any affiliation to Rome. Lucian. Patrick. Aiden. Dinooth. Papas. Vigilantus. Columba. Columbanus. Alba.
 

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I can see your first Pope at Pentecost....

36 Therefore let all the NEWBORN BABIES OF THE house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye BABIES have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when THE NEWBORN BABIES heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto THE NEWBORN BABIES, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

LOL
No funnier than Acts 2:39, where Peter, the first Pope stated emphatically:
Acts 2:39

For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, EVERYONE whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Can YOU show me the verse where he said:
For the promise is ONLY for you and for your ADULT children and for all who are far off, ONLY ADULTS whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Yeah - that's what I thought, Einstein . . .
 

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It was the "church fathers" in 4ad, who created the term= "cult of the virgin" that is your religious organization.
So, according to you, im only reiterating their Ignorance, as they created the phrase.
So, you didn't actually READ post #1865 - did you?
Otherwise, you wouldn't have responded with this ignorant nonsense . . .
 

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You already tried that one.

So once again, lets look at salvation.

God came here as Jesus, and because "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin", He shed His Blood.
This blood is the New Covenant, which is the New Testament.
This Blood, is the Atonement, that God uses to justify and redeem.

Water has no part in the Cross, or in the Salvation of a Soul.

Now, there are water cults that have no use for the Blood of Jesus, and they are only concerned with the city water supply.
What i advise is that you avoid all these, or you will end up as a cross rejecting heretic, who only worries about water.
Ummmmm, Catholics not only beliee in the Blood of Christ - we DRINK it as He commanded.
YOU are the one who denies its efficacy.

As for Water Baptism - as I have educated you several times now - It's God's prescription - not mine.
If you have a problem with it - take it up with HIM.

Oh - good luck with that . . .
 

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You didn't read my post or you wouldn't say I can't. I showed where Eusebius did already. James, Symeon, grandsons of Jude. All desposyni.
Hmm, I like Eusebius too.

“…Peter, that strongest and greatest of all the apostles, and the one who on account of his virtue was the speaker for all the others…”
Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, 2:14 (A.D. 325).

"...And Peter, on whom the Church of Christ is built, ‘against which the gates of hell shall not prevail’”
Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, 6:25 (A.D. 325).

“Hegesippus and the Events which he mentiones. Hegesippus in the five books of Memoirs which have come down to us has left a most complete record of his own views. In them he states that on a journey to Rome he met a great many bishops, and that he received the same doctrine from all. It is fitting to hear what he says after making some remarks about the epistle of Clement to the Corinthians. His words are as follows:
And the church of Corinth continued in the true faith until Primus was bishop in Corinth. I conversed with them on my way to Rome, and abode with the Corinthians many days, during which we were mutually refreshed in the true doctrine. And when I had come to Rome I remained a there until Anicetus, whose deacon was Eleutherus. And Anicetus was succeeded by Soter, and he by Eleutherus. In every succession, and in every city that is held which is preached by the law and the prophets and the Lord.'”
Hegesippus, fragment in Eusebius Ecclesiastical History, 4:22 (c. A.D. 180).



 

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Its symbolic.
We are symbolically buried in "water baptism", that is our old man, and our New Creation in Christ is risen.....We come up out of the water...
Per Romans 6, we are buried with Christ in baptism....correct.

Now, anyone that says they were made alive prior to water baptism was buried alive.
 

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No funnier than Acts 2:39, where Peter, the first Pope stated emphatically:
Acts 2:39

For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, EVERYONE whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Can YOU show me the verse where he said:
For the promise is ONLY for you and for your ADULT children and for all who are far off, ONLY ADULTS whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Yeah - that's what I thought, Einstein . . .
If Peter was the 1st Pope then why does the RCC reject Acts 2:38, their Pope's 1st command to sinners of what to do to be saved?

I think the RCC is just blowin' smoke.
 

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Now, anyone that says they were made alive prior to water baptism was buried alive.
Not so. Baptism doesn't kill us...we don't drown in baptism. We are only buried in baptism. We need to be dead before being buried. We can "die" weeks before baptism. We can be born again before baptism, but baptism seals the deal through our obedience and willingness to publicly declare our decision to stand with Christ and His church.
 

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Hmm, I like Eusebius too.

“…Peter, that strongest and greatest of all the apostles, and the one who on account of his virtue was the speaker for all the others…”
Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, 2:14 (A.D. 325).

"...And Peter, on whom the Church of Christ is built, ‘against which the gates of hell shall not prevail’”
Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, 6:25 (A.D. 325).

“Hegesippus and the Events which he mentiones. Hegesippus in the five books of Memoirs which have come down to us has left a most complete record of his own views. In them he states that on a journey to Rome he met a great many bishops, and that he received the same doctrine from all. It is fitting to hear what he says after making some remarks about the epistle of Clement to the Corinthians. His words are as follows:
And the church of Corinth continued in the true faith until Primus was bishop in Corinth. I conversed with them on my way to Rome, and abode with the Corinthians many days, during which we were mutually refreshed in the true doctrine. And when I had come to Rome I remained a there until Anicetus, whose deacon was Eleutherus. And Anicetus was succeeded by Soter, and he by Eleutherus. In every succession, and in every city that is held which is preached by the law and the prophets and the Lord.'”
Hegesippus, fragment in Eusebius Ecclesiastical History, 4:22 (c. A.D. 180).


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If you want to believe that the RCC is the true church, I don't see anything wrong in that. Jesus wrote a letter to Thyatira, in Revelation 2. You should read it. The seven letters are 7 church ages, and the RCC/Orthodox has its own church age that extends to the end of time, so Jesus considers you guys as a legitimate Church. Thyatira is Church age number 4. The next church age is Sardis which is the age of the Reformation. Then Philadelphia which is the best; then Laodecia, which is the worst and where we are now. Jesus is coming soon.

Take heed to the warning in this letter. Jezebel is the representative of the Babylonian Mystery Religion. The real Jezebel, married to Ahab, was a high priestess of that idol worshiping pagan religion. They had a goddess and godchild in every country, and the pair went by different names in each country. Rome had Venus and Cupid. And the RCC changed their names to Mary and Jesus. And the goddess was called the queen of heaven. You MUST stop praying to and idolizing Mary; that is what is being referred to by "Jezebel." Take the sacraments, and only pray to the Father in Jesus name. All the sightings of Mary through the centuries are all demonic. That is why Jesus says "depths of Satan." Don't be angry. Just take heed if you want to go to heaven.

18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write,

‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: 19 “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

24 “Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. 25 But hold fast what you have till I come. 26 And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations

27 ‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—

as I also have received from My Father; 28 and I will give him the morning star.

29 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
 

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So, you didn't actually READ post #1865 - did you?
Otherwise, you wouldn't have responded with this ignorant nonsense . . .

Water Baptism, has no part in the Blood Atonement.
So, if you find that you belong to a water cult that has added water TO the Cross, as necessary for conversion, salvation, or eternal life, then you have been deceived.
 
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Ummmmm, Catholics not only beliee in the Blood of Christ - we DRINK it as He commanded.
YOU are the one who denies its efficacy.
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Jesus said to "do this in remembrance of Me".... and that is what we are to do.
We are not, however, to make an idol out of the cookie and the juice.

Also, a certain religious organization teaches that their Priest's have "magic power" to literally turn a bag of cookies and fruit juice into the literal body and blood of Jesus, that you are to chew and swallow. This same water cult teaches that you are born again by the power of WATER.

God says you are born again by the power of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Per Romans 6, we are buried with Christ in baptism....correct.

Now, anyone that says they were made alive prior to water baptism was buried alive.

The blood of Jesus is all that God offers to reconcile you to Himself.
The city water supply, need not apply for that position.
 

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Not so. Baptism doesn't kill us...we don't drown in baptism. We are only buried in baptism. We need to be dead before being buried. We can "die" weeks before baptism. We can be born again before baptism, but baptism seals the deal through our obedience and willingness to publicly declare our decision to stand with Christ and His church.
Baptism is a believers burial procession. Repentance kills them via the Law.

Anyone that is alive prior to baptism and or repentance is twice dead and buried alive.