Who founded your church?

[Behold]

I couldn't agree MORE with your statement above in RED.
NOW - show me an example of were "remembrance" means "just a symbol".

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Look at your alt's photo?
Thats a symbol.
See that "eucharist"?
To you that's "jesus", but to God thats a cookie taken out of a bag that holds, probably a few hundred.
How do you know that God sees that as a cookie?
Because the Real Jesus is sitting next to Him, and all the born again are In Him.

 

[Behold]

Do you believe in obedience to being baptized in water, or not?

Not to be saved by it

Tho, All who are born again, should be water baptized.
We exist "in Christ' not by water, but by "New Birth", that has nothing to do with water baptism.

 

[Brakelite]

and @Marymog @theefaith @

If you want to believe that the RCC is the true church, I don't see anything wrong in that. Jesus wrote a letter to Thyatira, in Revelation 2. You should read it. The seven letters are 7 church ages, and the RCC/Orthodox has its own church age that extends to the end of time, so Jesus considers you guys as a legitimate Church. Thyatira is Church age number 4. The next church age is Sardis which is the age of the Reformation. Then Philadelphia which is the best; then Laodecia, which is the worst and where we are now. Jesus is coming soon.

Take heed to the warning in this letter. Jezebel is the representative of the Babylonian Mystery Religion. The real Jezebel, married to Ahab, was a high priestess of that idol worshiping pagan religion. They had a goddess and godchild in every country, and the pair went by different names in each country. Rome had Venus and Cupid. And the RCC changed their names to Mary and Jesus. And the goddess was called the queen of heaven. You MUST stop praying to and idolizing Mary; that is what is being referred to by "Jezebel." Take the sacraments, and only pray to the Father in Jesus name. All the sightings of Mary through the centuries are all demonic. That is why Jesus says "depths of Satan." Don't be angry. Just take heed if you want to go to heaven.

18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write,

‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: 19 “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

24 “Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. 25 But hold fast what you have till I come. 26 And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—

27 ‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—

as I also have received from My Father; 28 and I will give him the morning star.

29 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’

How can a church be a "true church' and at the same time meet all the criteria as Antichrist?

 

[Illuminator]

See what I mean? I have the same names in a different published list, and as you can see, none of the desposyni are mentioned.

Do they have to be? The Desposyni has nothing to do with the succession of Popes.

The Desposyni, as being blood-descendants of Mary, Jesus’ mother, are historical fact. They are mentioned in historical records through the fourth century, A.D. However, claims that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children with her are clearly untrue, and should be immediately discounted. Nowhere in Scripture is it stated that Jesus took a wife, let alone that it was Mary Magdalene. It cannot even be insinuated using biblical text. Every mention of Mary Magdalene in Scripture negates every assumption that there was a sexually intimate relationship between her and Jesus. This twisted view cannot even be supported by non-canonical gospels which reference Mary Magdalene, such as the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Peter, or even the Gospel of Mary.
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What is the Desposyni / Rex Deus? | GotQuestions.org

 

[Truther]

Not sure what the "RCC" is - but the Catholic Church doesn't reject Acts 2:38.
We simply take it in CONTEXT with ALL of the other Scripture verses regarding Baptism.

Unlike YOU - we don't ignorantly isolate one single verse and build an entire doctrine around it - especially when there are so many other verses that put it in its proper context, my woefully ignorant friend.

By omitting "repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins" per infant baptismal instructions, the RCC and all of it's Catholic constituents completely skip Acts 2:38.

 

[Truther]

Acts 22:16 your sins are not really washed away only symbolic? Whatever your not really a Christian by baptism only symbolic! What planet are you from?
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Your sins are washed away by the name of Jesus used in water.

You cannot "believe away" the remission of your sins.

That makes your personal thought process the remitter of your own sins.

Stop making excuses to not obey Acts 2:38.

It is easier to obey than you realize...I know a man that baptized himself in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Try it.

 

[CharismaticLady]

How can a church be a "true church' and at the same time meet all the criteria as Antichrist?

It is not the whole denomination that is Antichrist. It is a man. And more of a politician, than a religious leader. Now, the False Prophet may fit, if you are thinking the Pope.

The biggest obstacle the RCC and Orthodox church people have to overcome is the idolatry of Mary. THAT is what Jesus is talking about in the letter to them. Thyatira.

 

[Marymog]

As for being baptised in public...show me one instance where anyone was baptised without someone else present. Whether family, servants, the church...whoever. They are our examples are they not?
What else could baptism possibly mean??????? other than a public declaration of death? and new life in Christ????? After all, that is what Paul is teaching...who taught you otherwise???????

Acts 8:38

 

[Marymog]

You aren't serious surely. You believe that because I think the old man dies in Christ, meaning as the scripture says, "buried with Him by baptism in death"...that by applying that to the old man, is merely a personal interpretation and not in keeping with what scripture says? If it isn't the "old man"...the "first husband" of Romans 7'''then who????? Answer me Mary.

It is a personal interpretation since those words (old man) are not in scripture

 

[Marymog]

Because such a practice doesn't agree with Vatican and Papal commands. Read the Bible for doctrine?? Never. Go to the church yeah? There is the truth...not in scripture, no.

LOL....No, the practice doesn’t agree with your view (taught to you by another man) of which your own Protestant brothers disagree with you on. Sooooo why are your men right and my men wrong? See the conundrum you put yourself in?

You see the “ Vatican and Papal commands” came first soooooo your view, which came second, does not agree with what was taught first. You twisted your theory to make it look like The Church disagrees with you when in fact you disagree with The Church.

 

[Marymog]

See what I mean? I have the same names in a different published list, and as you can see, none of the desposyni are mentioned.

No, i cant see because you didn’t provide a list....

I thought we were talking about Eusebius since you quoted his works. Here is his list for Rome and the best i can tell is that it matches with the link I provided:

CHURCH FATHERS: Church History, Book IV (Eusebius)

Would you care to share your published list?

 

[Marymog]

Sorry if you didn't understand what he meant.

Ummmm.....You, Lady, are the one who doesn’t understand what he meant. He never wrote that James was the head of The Church. Only the head of the church in Jerusalem.

Would you please quote where Eusebious said that James was head of The Church? I must have missed it.

Thank you in advance...Mary

 

[Marymog]

There is no one Church that can be defined or circumscribed by quantitative measures (denomination, building, hierarchy, etc..). The Church is currently invisible, there may be some Catholics, or Protestants, Eastern or Orthodox members within it. But, not all either Catholics, or Protestants, Eastern or Orthodox are saved.

I denounce Protestantism as it is defined in any of the creeds or statements of Faith (Westminster, Augsburg, Book of Concord, Synod of Dort, ..). As much as I do the Catholic definitions of the universal church (Council of Trent, Lateran Councils, Vatican I & II, ...).
No one's denomination will save them, for there are damnable heresies in all of the aforementioned divisions of Christ. Each man must come to Christ on his own, for God will not allow the pope to intervene on any of his congregants behalf, on Judgement Day. Nor, will Calvin or Luther have any say in the matter between God and Knox, or God and Spurgeon, God and Whitfield or the Wesleys. History has proven that there is no one definitive Church of Christ, all the man-made boundaries have fallen short in one creed, precept or tenet, or another.

The dogma and history of the Roman Catholic Church has clearly demonstrated that apostolic succession has never been the catalyst behind the formation of their institution. They same can be said for all other denominations throughout history, throughout the world. All men come to God depending on their faith and the grounds for it, no appeal will be allowed to be made to the denomination from which they came, as a means to justify their salvation.

If The Church us invisible how do we as Christians fulfill Matthew 18:17?

Can you see how scripture destroys your theory (i know you can’t but i thought i would ask)

 

[DNB]

If The Church us invisible how do we as Christians fulfill Matthew 18:17?

Can you see how scripture destroys your theory (i know you can’t but i thought i would ask)

I believe that Dollarama sells glasses that allow people to see invisible things. Not sure the price or the different models, but if you can tolerate the limited selection, you may find something that serves your initial purpose? ...I prefer the black single frames, myself.

 

[Marymog]

How can a church be a "true church' and at the same time meet all the criteria as Antichrist?

Soooo your theory is that The Church meets all the criteria of the antichrist but none of the Protestant churches do? Even though they all disagree with each other and they all say that The Church is wrong....except when they agree with them, then they are right? That’s your theory? Inconsistent teachings with multiple doctrines and various teachings on what one has to do to be saved is not antichrist like? Fascinating theory...

who is the author of confusion and division? The antichrist.

What happened after the rebellion (which is commonly called the reformation)against The Church ? CONFUSION And DIVISION!!!

So you can follow the various, multiple and different teachings of the men who started that revolution or you can follow the teachings of The Church.

A cafeteria Christian (cC) is one who interprets or picks and chooses from scripture for himself what the truth is. That is what you are....a cC. (I have never used cC before. I think I should trademark it)

The tower of Babel Bible story involves the people of Babel attempting to build a tower that will reach to heaven. It is one of the saddest and most significant stories in the Bible. It is sad because it reveals the widespread rebellion in the human heart. God confused them by changing their language.

The Reformation story involves men, who think they know better than The Church, attempting to reach heaven by finding their Truth of scripture....even though they all found a different “truths”. They even hoodwinked you into thinking that you can find the truth if you just read the Bible on your own...that is as long as your truth doesn’t disagree with their truth. God didn’t cause this confusion and division. The author of confusion and division did in the 16th century.

 

[Marymog]

I believe that Dollarama sells glasses that allow people to see invisible things. Not sure the price or the different models, but if you can tolerate the limited selection, you may find something that serves your initial purpose? ...I prefer the black single frames, myself.

Like I said: I KNOW you can’t....and you came thru kiddo

 

[DNB]

Like I said: I KNOW you can’t....and you came thru kiddo

What, no characteristic 'sooooo...'?

 

[Marymog]

What, no characteristic 'sooooo...'?

Soooooo you expected me to say soooooooo? I felt i didn’t need to say sooooooo in this case.

In this case You failed to support your invisible church theory. One passage from scripture destroyed it. Case closed

 

[DNB]

Soooooo you expected me to say soooooooo? I felt i didn’t need to say sooooooo in this case.

In this case You failed to support your invisible church theory. One passage from scripture destroyed it. Case closed

By the glasses (not sure if they come in red to match your avatar?), ...one verse of Scripture resolved!

 

[BreadOfLife]

What kind of hermeneutics do you employ in your exegesis, hyper-literalism? You are unaware of the different literary conventions used throughout the Bible - poetry, allegory, metaphors, parables, anthropomorphism, etc..? You have no discernment between when you hear a figure-of-speech or analogy, as opposed to an intended literal meaning? You have no wisdom to understand that catabolism does not edify, that what goes into the body and through the digestive system, has absolutely no efficacy in regard to one's mind and heart?

In other words - you couldn't show me where "Remembrance" is defined as "merely symbolic".
That's what I thought . . .

Jesus is currently a spirit in heaven 'like the angels', how in the world would he offer his temporal, carnal, deteriorating, and decayed, flesh as a sacrament to his church? What type of paganism are you professing?

Jesus ascended to the Father in his GLORIFIED FLESH.
He is in Heaven - BODY and Soul.

The Church has ALWAYS taught that we consume his glorified flesh.
Here is what 1st century Bishop, Ignatius of Antioch was taught by the Apostle John himself:

Ignatius of Antioch
Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 107]).

Count yourself among the "heterodox" whom he is talking about . . .