So what's so new about the new Covenant, and is it better, really?

[Cooper]

Yes, I am aware of that.

However I would say that unbelieving sinner, as a category, consists of both Jews and Gentiles.

The preacher of the ten commandments may be instrumental in the salvation of a person.

Jde 1:22, And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jde 1:23, And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Yes to both. All nations. Worldwide.

The obsolete Jewish Law ended when it got nailed to the cross and Jesus paid the penalty, which is death, for our sins which are many. Our sins have been wiped out in the sea of His forgetfulness and we have been forgiven. Praise God. Trust His Holy Name.
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[DNB]

Of course they would, for the new covenant was not yet been made to replace the Mosaic covenant.

You have just there given proof that they, being part of Israel, knew of the Messiah. And in fact, they were waiting for Him to come. They display their faith in God, who promised to send them the Messiah who is the Savior. Though of course, not all Israel knew the Messiah as they did. But it is a fact that all Israel was waiting for the Messiah to come.

The promises to Abraham were not unto salvation, but simply that he would be an heir to a large populace of people, and nothing more. It was his willingness to accept the promise that pleased God, and his obedience to slay his beloved son, that he received approbation from God.
Again, the Israelites hope for the Messiah had nothing to do with their salvation, their anticipation was based on a Davidic kingdom. Again, even Paul admittedly, did not extrapolate from the OT text what you are professing. It was only when the Messiah came, that he understood the significance of certain rare and obscure prophecies on the matter.

You are making a whole theology that is not supported in the OT, based on the revelations in the new. Some things were hidden, but alluded to, until the appointed time. You're reading backwards into the OT, not appreciating the deliberate lack of vision that God gave them.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Notice again....it does NOT say “ Repentance From SIN “......
Find anywhere in the KJV where it says the Way to be Saved is to Repent from your sins, and I will send you $1000......

I don't think anyone says repentance earns salvation. But you can not be saved without repentance.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What law are you referring to that you say when Christian sins, they “are in transgression of the law”?

The law of Moses.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What you have illustrated is true of the laws pertaining to the sanctuary... But does not work when applied to the Ten Commandments. Transgressing the ten commandments is sin. Every time. All the time. And sin is transgression against those Commandments. It is also unbelief. It is also omission to do what you know is right.

Every person has to decide for themselves about the Sabbath.

 

[Dcopymope]

"So what's so new about the new Covenant, and is it better, really?"

It gave the gentile the opportunity to not have to face the great white throne judgement and get thrown into the lake of fire, simple.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes to both. All nations. Worldwide.

The obsolete Jewish Law ended when it got nailed to the cross and Jesus paid the penalty, which is death, for our sins which are many. Our sins have been wiped out in the sea of His forgetfulness and we have been forgiven. Praise God. Trust His Holy Name.
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Nevertheless, the law does apply in condemnation to the one who has not trusted in Christ.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
As I said, why the law was given to Israel as a codified body of laws, Paul had revealed that in his writings.

Not only that it was a shadow of realities that would come, that is, Christ, but God sent His word to Israel concerning Him. They would have known the truth about the Messiah and what He will do for them when He comes, if only their leaders were faithful to the word and sought understanding from God, and have taught it to the people. But that was not what happened.

No Tong, you haven't a single OT passage to confirm what you are saying. The shadows were laid in the OT, but they were not explained until the NT. Their allusions in the OT were only meant to confirm their revelation in the NT, not meant to abide by as a Law unto salvation. This is what Paul is explaining. Even Paul himself nor Gamaliel, saw Christ from the OT, as you very well know.

I know you know of these scriptures. God told them about the Messiah. Let me cite some.

Deuteronomy 18:15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,

Acts 3:20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. 22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you.23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Isaiah 53. (Please refer to your bible to save space)

John 5:39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.

Here’s also some testimony relevant to this. Stephen said of Israel:

Acts 7:51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. 52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, 53 who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it.”

It is not that God did not send them word and knowledge about the Messiah, who He is and what He will do for them, to save them. But that they were a stiff-necked people and always resist the Holy Spirit, killing those to whom God send word about the Messiah. They would have known the truth about the Messiah and what He will do for them when He comes, if only they have not resisted the Holy Spirit. They would have been given understanding if only they had sought understanding and had faith in God and resisted not the Holy Spirit.

Tong
R1886

 

[Tong2020]

Why do you say that it is a FALSE and PERVERTED gospel to teach that a man is born again through repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ?

Here’s my guess is in the mind of BB.

Because being born again is not a matter that is in the hands of man, but is a matter in the hands of God who gives birth anew.

Tong
R1887

 

[Tong2020]

Therefore, the law applies to all of us (Jew and Gentile alike).

(cont'd in #116)

The law of God sure applies to all sinners, but not the codified body of laws, the Mosaic Law. There is a difference.

Tong
R1888

 

[justbyfaith]

Someone who turns to God automatically turns from sin and from their dead religious works,

And therefore, turning to God is to turn away from sin.

So, even with your definition of repentance, turning away from sin is not excluded from the definition.

My problem here is with the qualifier contrition. Apparently it is not enough that you turn to God, you must turn with remorse, regret, and feelings of guilt.

That is not what contrition means.

 

[justbyfaith]

Here’s my guess is in the mind of BB.

Because being born again is not a matter that is in the hands of man, but is a matter in the hands of God who gives birth anew.

Tong
R1887

That is Calvinism.

And as such, it is more in line with a FALSE and PERVERTED gospel than what he is decrying as FALSE and PERVERTED.

 

[justbyfaith]

The law of God sure applies to all sinners, but not the codified body of laws, the Mosaic Law. There is a difference.

Tong
R1888

In Matthew 5:17-20, we find that not one jot or tittle shall pass away from the law until heaven and earth pass away; and that if anyone does and teaches the least of God's commandments, they will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

All 613 laws, therefore, are related as a standard that must be lived up to for salvation to the one who seeks to be justified by works or law-keeping.

Gal 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

All 613 commandments apply to the unbeliever in condemnation. As it is written,

Jas 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Gal 6:13, For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

Once a man comes to faith in Jesus Christ, the law no longer applies to him in condemnation (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19).

Now the believer looks at the perfect law of liberty and considers it to be a set of wisdom principles to live by (James 1:25).

He is governed by the law even though he no longer has any condemnation because of it (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5, Galatians 5:22-23).

 

[Tong2020]

Best to keep it simple I think.
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Teach me.

Tong
R1889

 

[Brakelite]

Every person has to decide for themselves about the Sabbath.

Of course. But willful ignorance isn't an excuse. The major component of that decision is to decide whose authority one is subjecting himself to. The word of God or the word of the church.

 

[justbyfaith]

Of course. But willful ignorance isn't an excuse. The major component of that decision is to decide whose authority one is subjecting himself to. The word of God or the word of the church.

Each person stands or falls to his own master. Who are we then, to judge another?

 

[Cooper]

Nevertheless, the law does apply in condemnation to the one who has not trusted in Christ.

Correct. That is the law that condemns. Who wants to follow that!

 

[Brakelite]

Each person stands or falls to his own master. Who are we then, to judge another?

Who's judging?

 

[Cooper]

Teach me.

Tong
R1889

Not really, I meant to say short and sweet is good. One or two salient facts are enough to take in at any one time. Then when they are agreed and settled, we can move on to the next stage. It is what Paul did in his letters and then he went a bit deeper, and developed his theme. Blessings.
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[justbyfaith]

Who's judging?

What you said merely made me think of that scripture (in Romans 14).