Who founded your church?

[Behold]

Christ’s blood is shed for all Jn 1:29
The merits and f His blood are applied in faith and baptism Mk 16:16

God applies the blood of Jesus...His blood atonement, to "all who call on the name of Jesus" by faith.
"Faith" not water.....is "accepted as Righteousness"

 

[Renniks]

There is no verse in the BIBLE that says “faith alone” accept not by faith alone

What do you think, " Not of works " means?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You didnt read their post.
They were justifiying the word as "scriptural" because its found in a dictionary.
So, your reading skills are "invalid".,, ive noticed.

I makes your argument NO LESS weak.

He was responding to YOUR idiotic statement:
"THis word "sacraments" is a man made word. Its not a bible word."

So, I put it to you AGAIN:
The Words Trinity and Bible aren't "Bible words". Does that make them invalid?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You keep making the same mistake.
You keep thinking that what you are posting is True.
Typical water cult mentality.

Here is an update for you.
God shed His blood, and water has no part in His Salvation.
The "washing of Regeneration" is both by word and by Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the LIVING WATER, and that is not the city water supply.
Its all about the BLood, and never about the water supply.

Thsanks for YOUR heretical take on Baptism.
Here's what the BIBLE says:

1 Pet. 3:18-21
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit, in whom He also went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through WATER. And this WATER symbolizes the BAPTISM that NOW SAVES YOU also, Not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ

The Baptism of Christ is BY Water - THROUGH the Holy Spirit.

 

[Brakelite]

All must submit to Christ the king right?
Christ and his church are one so all MUST SUBMIT TO THE HOLY CHURCH!!!

Yes, all must submit to Christ.
Yes, Christ and His church are one.
But we must not submit to any church that is not in submission to Christ for then it would not be one with Christ.
Also, such submission to the church does not mean we leave our common sense and our conscience at the church door when we enter.

 

[theefaith]

Jesus is Salvation.
Its Him.

For God so loved the world that God GAVE JESUS......

See that? John 3:16, that is God giving Jesus as Salvation to the world.
Not water.

So, if you have Him in you, you are born again.. If you are only water baptized, and that is all you can rely on, then you could be in big big trouble.

Real born again Christians are compelled to talk about Jesus, and God's Grace, and they are familiar with the BLOOD of Jesus.
Fakirs, religious cultists, are compelled to talk about water and works...commandments and do-ism...and generic non-spiritual junk.
Fakirs are compelled by their Father of darkness to talk about "how you can lose your salvation"

how can you say your saved Matt 24:13

 

[theefaith]

What do you think, " Not of works " means?

those verses refer to redemption not justification sanctification or salvation

 

[theefaith]

Yes, all must submit to Christ.
Yes, Christ and His church are one.
But we must not submit to any church that is not in submission to Christ for then it would not be one with Christ.
Also, such submission to the church does not mean we leave our common sense and our conscience at the church door when we enter.

the holy church is in union with Christ thru Peter

 

[Renniks]

those verses refer to redemption not justification sanctification or salvation

1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, has discovered? 2If Abraham was indeed justified by works, he had something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”…

 

[Paul Christensen]

My church is a merging of the Methodist and Presbyterian churches in New Brighton, Christchurch, New Zealand. The New Brighton Presbyterian and Methodist churches were founded by groups of Christians wanting a church of their denomination in the area. As the result of the Christchurch earthquake, the New Brighton Presbyterian and Methodist churches were demolished, and it was decided to replace them with a Union church. Those who wanted to belong to an exclusively Presbyterian or Methodist church went away from New Brighton and chose churches elsewhere in Christchurch.

The congregation of the New Brighton Union church couldn't care less about who was the first Pope, or of Apostolic succession. They are just happy with attending church on Sunday mornings and working for the good of the community during the week. If someone told them that the true church is founded on Peter and the Apostles, they would just laugh in their face, and say, "Who cares?"

 

[Brakelite]

the holy church is in union with Christ thru Peter

What holy church?

 

[Truther]

Can you be born again, if you are not born first?
What is "LOL"< is that you can't understand this.....

You can't be born again of your mothers water sack.

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

You think Jesus said you have to break your mama's water to be saved.

 

[Truther]

Can you be born again, if you are not born first?
What is "LOL"< is that you can't understand this.....

I can see your version of Jesus now...

You have to break you mother's water sack to be saved....

 

[Truther]

The JW's believe and teach that water saves you, same as any demonic water cult and their doctirnes of devil's bible.
And the JW's teach that Jesus was not resurrected in a literal body, that his resurrection was only in the "Spirit".

They take "holy Ghost" to mean, Jesus as having no physical body.

So, when they read that Jesus said to the Apostles.....I'll paraphrase....>"am I a spirit??.......how can a spirit have flesh and bone, as i have?
Notice ....= Christ was careful not to tell the Apostles "flesh and BLOOD and bone"...as He has no blood, as it was SHED for the Salvation of the world.
Spirit bodies that we the born again will receive, have no blood in them.

I can't believe it.

The JW's are more saved than you.

They baptize in the titles.

You detest water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

They are half way there.

You haven't even started.

 

[Truther]

Becaue Baptism in Christ is how a person enters into the family of God - and the New Covenant.

If you knew your Bible - which you obviously don't - you would know that babies entered the Covenant and the People of God through circumcision in the OT.

STUDY your Bible Einstein . . .

Not a single infant in the Bible was baptized, nor did they repent.

But the RCC(Catholics) pretend they did when they baptize newborns.

Now you think babies made a covenant and not the O.T. parents.

RCC babies must be pretty advanced to make a covenant with God, huh?,

 

[Truther]

122 pages and you are still insisting on trusting in H20 and words instead of trusting in the blood of Christ to save you. There's not magic water, there are no magic words that can regenerate the human soul. That can only be done by an act of God through the blood of Jesus shed for your sins.


“For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.” (Romans 2:28, 29)
Thus circumcision—and by implication all religious rites, being outward and physical as well—have nothing to do with salvation. Conversion involves an inward heart change, effected by the Holy Spirit.

“Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.” (Rom. 4:9, 10)

“For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.” (Hebrews 10:4)

And it's also impossible for communion to save you:

When Jesus instituted the Lord’s supper and said to the disciples “This is My body,” He was still standing right there in front of them. How (we ask) could His human body which was a real, finite, flesh, blood and bones body be in two separate places at the same time? Keep in mind that Romanists are not saying that the host is part of the Savior but that “Christ is whole and entire under each species.” Obviously, our Lord’s reference to His body and blood was symbolic. Examples of Christ using figurative and symbolic speech are numerous: He referred to Himself as a door (Jn. 10:4), a temple (Jn. 2:19), a vine (Jn. 15:5), a shepherd (Jn. 10:4), and bread (Jn. 6:35). He referred to the Holy Spirit as water (Jn. 4:14). When He instituted the Lord’s supper he called the cup the new covenant (1 Cor. 11:25)

Water baptism doesn’t save

“Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,” (1 Peter 3:21)

Peter, so no one misunderstands him, is clarifying that water baptism plays no role in salvation.

The fact is that water baptism is symbolic. On one of the things water baptism symbolizes, Robert L. Reymond writes:

“ecause the very name of the ordinance is what it is, namely, baptism, it obviously symbolizes the spiritual work given that name in Holy Scripture, namely, Christ’s work of baptizing his people with the Holy Spirit (see Matt. 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:33; Acts 1:5; 2:33; 1 Cor. 12:13), which work unites them to himself and to the other persons of the Godhead in their saving labors of regenerating, purifying, justifying, and cleansing” (Reymond, Systematic Theology, 926).

Can that which signifies salvation (water baptism), be salvation (Holy Spirit baptism)? This is logically impossible. For if water baptism was salvation, then it wouldn’t signify salvation. And, if water baptism saved, there would be no need for the baptism of the Holy Spirit (God) to save; do we really want to say that water, and not God, saves?

John 7:37-39

“On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, ‘If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, “Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”’ Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Water Baptism is a Work

“Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?” (Gal. 3:2b-3)

The Bible considers water baptism a work on the part of the baptizer:


And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.” (Acts 8:38)

“Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” (Acts 10:47)

“I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,” (1 Corinthians 1:14)

Now we must ask ourselves what kind of baptism does Christ perform—water or Spirit baptism? In Mark 1:8, John the Baptist contrasts the water baptism man (in this case himself) administers with the Holy Spirit baptism that Christ administers: “I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

Titus 3:5: “he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,” (Titus 3:5).

Salvation is a work of God alone, and not a work of man; and since water baptism is a work of man—whether on the part on the one being baptized, or the one administering the baptism—water baptism cannot have anything to do with salvation.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”

The Bible considers faith and water baptism two distinct things.
This distinction is seen in Acts 18:8c, where “many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized."
Believing saves, as already shown, so baptism isn't salvation.

This distinction is seen in Acts 18:8c, where “many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized.”

Saving faith in the New Covenant era is the same as the saving faith in the Older Testament, a saving faith which has nothing to do with religious rites.


“1What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: 7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; 8blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”

“9Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. 10How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised. 11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, 12and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.”

This passage tells us that no work plays a role in saving faith.

You think the name of Jesus Christ is a magic word?

Is that what you think as you pray for the sick?

Sick!

 

[marksman]

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

faith outside the church and what the church teaches is not true faith

Three things are eternal (and therefore inseparable) faith, hope, & charity, and the greatest of these is charity! 1 cor 13
“Faith alone” never
For if any say justification is by faith alone let him be anathema

Your post does not make sense. Justification has nothing at all to do with salvation.

 

[Behold]

Thsanks for YOUR heretical take on Baptism.
Here's what the BIBLE says:

1 Pet. 3:18-21
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit, in whom He also went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through WATER. And this WATER symbolizes the BAPTISM that NOW SAVES YOU also, Not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ

The Baptism of Christ is BY Water - THROUGH the Holy Spirit.

Ok, you rewrote the verse, to suit your cult.
What does that prove?
It proves that you are so desperate to hope that you are right, and feeling the sting of the reality check im given you, that you now rewrite verses to try to prove your water cult's deception.
See that's the thing about you and your cult.
There is no level of deceit that you wont try, hoping to snare real born again believers into your cult's darkness.

And truly, even a moron can understand that the water the is KILLING all the people in the world, by drowning them, isn't saving Noah.
Even a moron can understand that the ARK that is protecting them from the FLOOD WATER, is what is saving them.

So, you think on that, deceiver.

 

[Behold]

how can you say your saved Matt 24:13

Because im born again.
Thats how i can say it.
I gave God my Faith in Christ and God gave me His Righteousness, as "the gift of Righteousness".
Im now "one with God and Christ" as that is the "Gift of Salvation".
I took Jesus, and God took me.

You should try it., and get out of that water.

 

[Behold]

You can't be born again of your mothers water sack.

A person is not born again by water...

So, your issue is that you are deceived by a Devil's bible.
Its the one that changed a verse, from... "born of water" to "born AGAIN by water" that created your water cult that owns your mind.