Dead to the Law

[Behold]

No one is in Christ if they’re still a sinner. We are either Saints or sinners. There’s no in between.

Everyone who is born again is an "ungodly" who "God has Justified".

This means that if you are born again, you were justified and made righteous, while you were "ungodly".

Study : Romans 4:5

So, the same Blood of Jesus that took the UNGODLY and made them instantly RIGHTEOUS, is the same Blood of Jesus that keeps doing that, for eternity.
This is "Salvation".
Its the mercy of God, on the UNGODLY, that forgives all sin, , and maintains their forgiveness.

Philippians 1:6

 

[07-07-07]

Is Salvation depending on you, or is it depending on the Blood of Jesus?
It can't be both.

So....You, like all legalists, think that Salvation is..... "god started it, and if im good and do right, i can KEEP MYSELF SAVED".
You have now defined yourself as a "SELF SAVER" and when you become this, you have no real Faith in Christ to Keep you saved.
Understand?
So, see that? That is HERESY that you are teaching, defined as Galatians 1:8.
Go now and Figure this out, .... and once you do, you'll finally begin to understand "The Gift of Salvation" and why "eternal life" is not Temporary, and why going to Heaven is only based on the CROSS and never ever is it based on your SELF RIGHTEOUS SELF EFFORT.

We play a part in Salvation; we must be yielded vessels to stay in His grace.

 

[07-07-07]

Everyone who is born again is an "ungodly" who "God has Justified".

This means that if you are born again, you were justified and made righteous, while you were "ungodly".

Study : Romans 4:5

So, the same Blood of Jesus that took the UNGODLY and made them instantly RIGHTEOUS, is the same Blood of Jesus that keeps doing that, for eternity.
This is "Salvation".
Its the mercy of God, on the UNGODLY, that forgives all sin, , and maintains their forgiveness.

Philippians 1:6

The blood of Jesus only works if we walk in obedience.

1 John 1
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

 

[April_Rose]

No one is in Christ if they’re still a sinner. We are either Saints or sinners. There’s no in between.

So I take it that you're perfect as well as a couple of other members in this thread then?

 

[April_Rose]

@Heart2Soul, @Josho, @lforrest, @pomadour,.. can somebody please check on this thread and checkout some of the things that @justbyfaith and @Blood Bought 1953 have been saying for me please?

 

[justbyfaith]

If a person could keep all of the Law ( and they can’t)

No one can keep the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13). However, if someone has the Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14), then they can walk according to the Spirit in a consistent manner; and in doing so the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in them (practically); according to the spirit and not the letter (Romans 7:6).

Yes, Obedience to the Law will get you blessed, but it will not Save.Why not? Because it was “ weak and useless” according to Paul....It had NO POWER to Save....it could only Condemn..

Consider that if anyone is born of God, they "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)...and since the law defines sin (Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4), the law shows people that they are not born again when they sin and the law pinpoints their behaviour.

that would be an unregenerate man or woman who has yet to let that Law serve it’s intended purpose

The law is a schoolmaster; and the job of a schoolmaster is partially to train the child to behave according to the principles that are taught to him by the schoolmaster. Once the child becomes obedient, a schoolmaster is no longer needed.

which was to “ close your mouth” about being able to keep it, and let it reveal to you that you are a Sinner in need of a Savior...

That, too.

...If you “Turn from Sin” without involving a Turn to God First...

You cannot turn to God without first turning away from sin.

..That Contrite Heart Turns to God or REPENTS toward God and with the “ Mind Change” (Repentance) that he is a Sinner That MUST have a Savior

Jesus is indeed the Saviour; not just from the penalty of sin; but from sin itself (Matthew 1:21, Titus 2:14).

Thats the idea.
But, its not always the reality.
So, being a good Christian or being a backslidden Christian, is still the same born again situation.

See 1 John 3:8...The one who sins is of the devil....therefore the sinning, backslidden Christian is not of God and is not born of God.

So, if you are born AGAIN, you remain so......no matter how you BEHAVE later.

So, a man can be born of God and also be of the devil at the same time?

Is God the devil?

1Jo 3:8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

You don't even understand what part of a person is Born Again?
You think its their Body?

The body or flesh is not redeemable; but it can be crucified so that the element of sin dwelling therein is rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) and therefore no longer has any say over what a man does in his life (Romans 6:14).

 

[lforrest]

@Heart2Soul, @Josho, @lforrest, @pomadour,.. can somebody please check on this thread and checkout some of the things that @justbyfaith and @Blood Bought 1953 have been saying for me please?

Just wait till you hear what I have to say. Repentance is as simple as the inside and outside of a house. You, and I, should remain inside because the master may show up any minute now.

 

[April_Rose]

Just wait till you hear what I have to say. Repentance is as simple as the inside and outside of a house. You, and I, should remain inside because the master may show up any minute now.

I agree but it sounds like they're saying that if we still sin we're not saved and oh yeah @firstthings1st. I forgot to add you.

 

[justbyfaith]

Notice that Romans 4:8 says, "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin." It does not say who that man is.

If it is talking about the person who is born of God, it is talking about someone who "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9) and therefore would be speaking of the sins that they committed before becoming born of God.

Do you think the verse that says....>"blessed is the MAN to whom GOD WILL NOT CHARGE THEIR SIN TO THEM"....is talking about Penguins?
Who do you think this NT verse, written by PAUL is talking to>?
See, this verse erases your Theology, after it castigates it as heresy.
And your issue is, you are so lost in "Self Saving" that when a verse like this one exposes you, you can't even try to believe it.
All you can do is try to AVOID IT and dive back into the WATER.

In my above quote, in larger text, is the portion that you left out of the discussion.

What you did is change the subject to water baptism when the subject at hand was whether or not the person in Romans 4:8 is practically in a holy state.

 

[justbyfaith]

So....You, like all legalists, think that Salvation is..... "god started it, and if im good and do right, i can KEEP MYSELF SAVED".

This is obviously the case if you would read 1 John 5:18 for example.

Or, Ezekiel 33:11-20.

Or, 1 John 3:5-9.

Or, Romans 11:20-22.

We keep ourselves saved but we do so utilizing the power of God (1 Peter 1:5).

It is also God who works in us both to will and to do according to His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13).

So, it is also God who keeps us saved, depending on your perspective.

 

[justbyfaith]

I agree but it sounds like they're saying that if we still sin we're not saved and oh yeah @firstthings1st. I forgot to add you.

Righteousness may in fact be imputed to you if you have not yet been circumcised spiritually (Romans 4:11, Colossians 2:11).

But there is a second benefit (2 Corinthians 1:15) that the apostle John even equates as being "born of God", which is spoken of in 1 John 3:9 and is further expounded on in 1 John 3:6 and 1 John 2:17.

 

[justbyfaith]

So I take it that you're perfect as well as a couple of other members in this thread then?

See Hebrews 10:14 (kjv) to find out whether such a thing is even possible.

 

[justbyfaith]

@Heart2Soul, @Josho, @lforrest, @pomadour,.. can somebody please check on this thread and checkout some of the things that @justbyfaith and @Blood Bought 1953 have been saying for me please?

Please be sure to let me know, you moderators, if I have crossed the line by preaching the doctrine of entire sanctification here.

It is not my belief that being entirely sanctified is necessary for salvation...I believe rather that it God's answer to the heart cry that is exemplified in Romans 7:24...

That if anyone is born again and yet living in a lifestyle of Romans 7:14-25, that they will be discontented with their lifestyle of sin; because their conscience will afflict them and the Holy Spirit will convict them.

The doctrine of entire sanctification is God's answer to this cry of the heart (in Romans 7:24), that we do not want to live for ever in a state where our conscience is going to afflict us.

He does not answer by searing our conscience with a hot iron, so that we no longer have a conscience to afflict.

He answers us by changing us from the inside out, so that what we normally do to afflict our conscience will no longer be done by us.

 

[lforrest]

I agree but it sounds like they're saying that if we still sin we're not saved and oh yeah @firstthings1st. I forgot to add you.

If you still sin you need to repent. There may be stumbling along the path but remain on the path and keep moving forward. Trust God who brought you this far to bring you all the way home.

 

[April_Rose]

If you still sin you need to repent. There may be stumbling along the path but remain on the path and keep moving forward. Trust God who brought you this far to bring you all the way home.

Exactly we need to repent but unless our name is Jesus Christ we all still sin from time to time. That's what Christianity is and he's entirely missing the point!

 

[Heart2Soul]

If you still sin you need to repent. There may be stumbling along the path but remain on the path and keep moving forward. Trust God who brought you this far to bring you all the way home.

Amen...and He will complete us to the end.

 

[justbyfaith]

Just as Paul did (1 Timothy 1:15).

Paul said we are "Saints".

Try to read the bible and not just online liars and their sites, or commentaries that are demonic.

What commentary was I quoting out of?

Was it not wholly a verse in the Bible that I was preaching?

Yes, you keep posting that Cross rejecting Lie.
We hear you.

Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 is not a cross-rejecting lie.

It has everything to do with Jesus dying on the Cross and our being identified with that.

You are teaching that God wants to give the Holy Spirit to a person, because they go underwater.
That God is waiting for this to happen.

Yet, the NT says that "all who call on Jesus shall be saved".
No water involved.

Yet, it is absolutely promised to those who may doubt whether they were saved through "calling on His name", that if they go under the water in Jesus' Name, the Holy Ghost will be absolutely given to them (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39).

I am preaching baptism in Jesus' Name, therefore, as a means of assurance so that you can have a helmet securely placed upon your head in the day of battle.

 

[justbyfaith]

Exactly we need to repent but unless our name is Jesus Christ we all still sin from time to time. That's what Christianity is and he's entirely missing the point!

I do not feel that I can adequately comment because you have "sicced" the moderators on me.

So, while I might have answered with biblical words and exegesis, I will refrain at this point because I value my ability to continue to post here at these Message Boards.

I guess everyone can be motivated to compromise if certain threats are made; even those pastors who may have previously thought that they were immune to such a thing.

 

[justbyfaith]

I will merely reference a host of scriptures, and allow them to speak for themselves.

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9;

1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6;

Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10;

1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17;

Romans 6:6 (kjv), Colossians 2:11 (kjv), (NLT).

If you are interested in further study, you can look up these scriptures (all of them are better in the kjv) and study them out as promises that teach us that we can in fact walk in consistent freedom (John 8:31-36) and victory (1 Corinthians 15:57).

 

[theefaith]

show where I said anything about worship?

still waiting for an apology???