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theefaith

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I'm not playing games! If you want to try and keep the Law, go ahead, you will be judged by that Law.

However I will not be judged by the Law, I will be judged by my 100% faith in Christ.

not the law
But morality
The law had three parts
Moral law
Ceremonial law
Jurisdictional law

the moral law is eternal and always required

the jurisdictional law is the apostles authority to teach, govern the church, and sanctify by the sacraments

the ceremonial law is fulfilled and nailed to the cross
 

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I have given biblical substantiation for my statements.

But in answer to your question, entire sanctification is a "second benefit" (2 Corinthians 1:15).



Does not mean that we cannot have freedom from (John 8:31-36) and victory over (1 Corinthians 15:57) sin.



Gal 6:1, Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

That doesn't say you might be next...it tells us that we need to be on our guard against sin so that we won't be tempted. It is merely speaking of the fact that there is spiritual danger when we attempt to restore someone who has fallen. In the course of the conversation, whatever mindset caused the brother to fall might be related to us and if we begin to take on that mindset, we also might fall into the same situation and overtaken in the same fault.



I’ll grant you this.....you got an answer for everything...no matter how ridiculous and confused...
 

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This side of the Cross, Under Grace .....Jesus left us with only two Commandments...#1 Believe. #2 Love.

Even if a person “could” ( and they can’t) obey the 613 Laws If Moses , it would be a complete waste of time in regard to one’s Salvation...you would be abiding by the wrong rules of the game.....there is only ONE rule to get Saved....just like Jesus told the Disciples—- “Believe in the One that He sent”...

just two really?

Matt 28:19 all things I have commanded you (the apostles)
Jn 15:1-5 abide
Many more
 

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not the law
But morality
The law had three parts
Moral law
Ceremonial law
Jurisdictional law

the moral law is eternal and always required

the jurisdictional law is the apostles authority to teach, govern the church, and sanctify by the sacraments

the ceremonial law is fulfilled and nailed to the cross

The 10 commandments is Law, the moral Law! Good Luck keeping them perfectly!

Because if you don't, well, we know what will happen, right!

I have no fear of the Law, I am dead to Law by faith in Jesus Christ!
 
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Condescending remarks like this only show forth the reality that you don't bear the right kind of fruit and therefore are not someone that any of us would want to listen to or get doctrine from. For your doctrine has resulted in this kind of bad fruit in your life; so if we follow after your doctrine, we would also end up bearing this kind of bad fruit.

I don't think that such a thing would be desirable to anyone...and yet people might still fall for your shennanigans...for you appear to have men's persons in admiration because of advantage.



You preach a False, perverted Gospel Of “ Lucky Repentance” and I rebuke you because thinking like yours has made millions of confused, poorly taught church- goers “ fall from Grace” and they ,like you, don’t even understand what that sad , perhaps Damnable designation means....

To be on the receiving end of a constant Biblical rebuke must be unpleasant for you....that dies not mean that it is “ bad fruit”..... you think that I am “ giving you hell”...... nope......I just tell you the Biblical Truth and you “ think” it’s Hell......you need to repent of your False Gospel ....you are in my prayers ....it can’t be any fun to be “Accursed”.....
 

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The 10 commandments is Law, the moral Law! Good Luck keeping them perfectly!

Because if you don't, well, we know what will happen, right!

I have no fear of the Law, I am dead to Law by faith in Jesus Christ!

you have a choice?

what’s the point of Christ and grace if cannot sanctify and make holy real righteousness
Grace enables us to keep the moral law

the moral law is in the new covenant

for example:
Ephesians 6:2
Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

I believe Paul wrote Ephesians???
 

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I'm not playing games! If you want to try and keep the Law, go ahead, you will be judged by that Law.

However I will not be judged by the Law, I will be judged by my 100% faith in Christ.
Temper, temper, Newb. :D
Who's playing games?

Romans 2:6
who will render to each person according to his deeds:

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men’s hearts; and then each man’s praise will come to him from God.

1 Peter 1:17
If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth;

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Psalm 62:12
And lovingkindness is Yours, O Lord,
For You recompense a man according to his work.


Proverbs 24:12
If you say, “See, we did not know this,”
Does He not consider it who weighs the hearts?
And does He not know it who keeps your soul?
And will He not render to man according to his work?


Colossians 3:25
For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which he has done, and that without partiality.

Proverbs 11:31
If the righteous will be rewarded in the earth,
How much more the wicked and the sinner!


1 Corinthians 3:8
Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
 

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You preach a False, perverted Gospel Of “ Lucky Repentance” and I rebuke you because thinking like yours has made millions of confused, poorly taught church- goers “ fall from Grace” and they ,like you, don’t even understand what that sad , perhaps Damnable designation means....

To be on the receiving end of a constant Biblical rebuke must be unpleasant for you....that dies not mean that it is “ bad fruit”..... you think that I am “ giving you hell”...... nope......I just tell you the Biblical Truth and you “ think” it’s Hell......you need to repent of your False Gospel ....you are in my prayers ....it can’t be any fun to be “Accursed”.....
You preach a False, perverted Gospel Of “ Lucky Repentance” and I rebuke you because thinking like yours has made millions of confused, poorly taught church- goers “ fall from Grace” and they ,like you, don’t even understand what that sad , perhaps Damnable designation means....

To be on the receiving end of a constant Biblical rebuke must be unpleasant for you....that dies not mean that it is “ bad fruit”..... you think that I am “ giving you hell”...... nope......I just tell you the Biblical Truth and you “ think” it’s Hell......you need to repent of your False Gospel ....you are in my prayers ....it can’t be any fun to be “Accursed”.....

You have no authority to rebuke anyone
 

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The 10 commandments is Law, the moral Law! Good Luck keeping them perfectly!

Because if you don't, well, we know what will happen, right!

I have no fear of the Law, I am dead to Law by faith in Jesus Christ!

that why Mary the ever Virgin mother of God is so powerful coz Jesus honors His mother
 

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This side of the Cross, Under Grace .....Jesus left us with only two Commandments...#1 Believe. #2 Love.

Even if a person “could” ( and they can’t) obey the 613 Laws If Moses , it would be a complete waste of time in regard to one’s Salvation...you would be abiding by the wrong rules of the game.....there is only ONE rule to get Saved....just like Jesus told the Disciples—- “Believe in the One that He sent”...
Do you have a list of these 613 laws?
Do you know how many commands are given in the New Testament?
 

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Methinks you don't even know how to use an insult properly....what you are referring to ( my not having some kind of secret sin I don’t want to abandon) was the FIRST and ONLY time I ever enlightened you to that fact.... that is not “ protesting too much”....every time you try to be “ cool” with some kind of “ clever” remark , you blow it.....” Wit” is just not a part of your make up....you need to abandon it.....I get embarrassed for “ your” sake....
 

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Meritorious toward what, Ange (as if I didn't know where this is going--lol)?

Jn 10:10 life Of grace

suffering for example

Suffering Necessary part of Salvation!

Heb 2:9-10 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.


Patience Implies suffering!

In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Our principal means of dying is baptism!

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


More. Verses about suffering:

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

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He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
 

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God's Grace is the blood of Jesus.
What you are describing is the idea of keeping yourself saved.
This can't be done.

God's Grace does not require your effort.
If it did, it would not be Grace.

The blood of Jesus is indeed God’s grace, and it keeps yielded vessels on the straight and narrow road.
 

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Methinks you don't even know how to use an insult properly....what you are referring to ( my not having some kind of secret sin I don’t want to abandon) was the FIRST and ONLY time I ever enlightened you to that fact.... that is not “ protesting too much”....every time you try to be “ cool” with some kind of “ clever” remark , you blow it.....” Wit” is just not a part of your make up....you need to abandon it.....I get embarrassed for “ your” sake....
I see you're full-steam-ahead with the ad-hom again. Nice