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@justbyfaith I will say this before I am completely done with this thread. I am currently taking you off ignore because I'm really curious how you will respond to this post but the reason why I have such a problem with you is you keep condemning people to Hell for no reason other than the fact that they disagree with you and that sounds an awful lot like trolling. Also, @Blood Bought 1953 I feel like I owe you an apology because you don't appear to be doing that even though I thought you were.
 
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@justbyfaith I will say this before I am completely done with this thread. I am currently taking you off ignore because I'm really curious how you will respond to this post but the reason why I have such a problem with you is you keep condemning people to Hell for no reason other than the fact that they disagree with you and that sounds an awful lot like trolling. Also, @Blood Bought 1953 I feel like I owe you an apology because you don't appear to be doing that even though I thought you were.

JBF does have some doctrinal problems, but I really do believe he has a heart for God.

He's right about many things, he just needs a little help as all of us have needed along the way.

When he does get it all together, he's going to be a great soul winner!
 
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Let me add the KJV it's much better.

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"

In 1 Peter 3:21 the "like figure" represents a symbol. A symbol of what?

The symbol of water baptism saving us, it's the symbol of the spiritual baptism that Paul talks about.

The spiritual baptism is when we are saved, we are baptized spiritually into Christ, immersed in Him by His death, burial, and resurrection.

The water baptism is the symbol of this! We go down in the water representing His death and burial, we come up out of the water that represents His resurrection.

Why can't you see this, why are you blind to it?

Take your eyes away from Catholicism for just a few minutes and try to see what some of these folks are showing you!

The ark of Noah is a type or symbol of the New covenant church which we can only enter thru baptism

he is a high priest according to the (priestly) order of Melchizedek
By oath!

heb 7:20 And in as much as not without an oath he was made priest:

A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27
 

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JBF does have some doctrinal problems, but I really do believe he has a heart for God.

He's right about many things, he just needs a little help as all of us have needed along the way.

When he does get it all together, he's going to be a great soul winner!





Yeah,.. but it's sort of confusing the way he keeps twisting scripture around though.
 
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Yeah,.. but it's sort of confusing the way he keeps twisting scripture around though.

That's because he's seeing some things he's been taught are wrong. He's basically turned upside down right now, wishy washy, not sure of himself.

Don't give up on him, I see great potential in this guy! We should pray for him!
 

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That's because he's seeing some things he's been taught are wrong. He's basically turned upside down right now, wishy washy, not sure of himself.

Don't give up on him, I see great potential in this guy! We should pray for him!





Agreed. Praying. :)
 
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You have stated on this forum that you have sinned and you confess, and that is since i showed up you told us this...
So, are you posting this verse to prove you are of the devil?

Do you ever actually think about what you write before you post it?
You should start.
Today would be good.

I will only say to this that as a faithful minister, I am going to preach the Bible even if the verses in question hurt me. If I continue to be a sinner in the present hour, then yes, the scripture in question says that I am of the devil.

I take solace in what Paul wrote to Timothy in 1 Timothy 4:16.

While you do not know what may have transpired in my life, over the past few hours, even.

If I champion the doctrine that we can confess our sins, and that if we do so He will be faithful and just to forgive us of our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9), does that mean that I myself have to confess sins more often than not? For the purpose of confession of sins to God is that He might cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So, when we confess, there is going to be a cleansing that takes place, so that the same sins are not going to be committed that have been confessed, if the confession be genuine.

You cannot turn to God without first turning away from sin.


In a nutshell, this is where you go off the rails.....”Turn to “ME”, and I will turn to you”......Repentance is Turning “TO” God, NOT Turning “ FROM” Sin....

False teaching.

Many think that they cannot come to Christ unless they first repent, and that repentance prepares for the forgiveness of their sins. It is true that repentance does precede the forgiveness of sins; for it is only the broken and contrite heart that will feel the need of a Saviour. But must the sinner wait till he has repented before he can come to Jesus? Is repentance to be made an obstacle between the sinner and the Saviour?

The Bible does not teach that the sinner must repent before he can heed the invitation of Christ, “Come unto Me, all ye that labor and are heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.” Matthew 11:28. It is the virtue that goes forth from Christ, that leads to genuine repentance.

Peter made the matter clear in his statement to the Israelites when he said, “Him hath God exalted with His right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.” Acts 5:31.

We can no more repent without the Spirit of Christ to awaken the conscience than we can be pardoned without Christ.

Christ is the source of every right impulse. He is the only one that can implant in the heart enmity against sin. Every desire for truth and purity, every conviction of our own sinfulness, is an evidence that His Spirit is moving upon our hearts.

...for without Me ye can do nothing. (John 15:5)

One of the primary reasons that a man turns to Christ, if he really does so because of recognizing that he is a sinner in need of mercy, is that he turns to Christ so that Christ might take away his sins and help him to do better in the future. So, I will agree with you that we can only have the victory through Christ; but I will disagree with you and say that coming to Christ means turning away from sin. The very reason any man genuinely turns to Christ is because he recognizes his need as a sinner for the power to gain freedom (John 8:31-36) and victory (1 Corinthians 15:57) over sin.

So, repentance is an integral part of the process.

Resting in the Gospel, abandoning the Burden Of trying to “MAKE” yourself Worthy Of Salvation as opposed to seeing that you have been “ MADE” Worthy by the Blood Of the Lamb ...

I will only say to this that if you have been made worthy, there is a practical outworking to that.

Rather, I think it better to be concerned about what God thinks of offending someone.

See Galatians 5:11 (kjv) for my take on that.

Gal 5:11, And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

We play a part in Salvation; we must be yielded vessels to stay in His grace.


The only part that “YOU” play in your Salvation is this—- The willingness to accept a “ Free Gift”....Jesus did EVERYTHING that is necessary for Salvation.... that's why it can be Free for us Sinners...

The "free gift" is righteousness (Romans 5:17); which is a practical thing (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).

I'm not playing games! If you want to try and keep the Law, go ahead, you will be judged by that Law.

However I will not be judged by the Law, I will be judged by my 100% faith in Christ.

You are going to be judged by your works (2 Corinthians 5:10).

If you have been genuinely redeemed, then you have been made into a new creature in Christ; and your works will be different than if you were not redeemed. Also, what you have done evil is forgiven.

See John 5:28-29.

If you have not done any good, how will you be raised in the resurrection of life? Even the thief on the cross did good when he acknowledged Christ from where he was on that cross.
 
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@justbyfaith I will say this before I am completely done with this thread. I am currently taking you off ignore because I'm really curious how you will respond to this post but the reason why I have such a problem with you is you keep condemning people to Hell for no reason other than the fact that they disagree with you and that sounds an awful lot like trolling. Also, @Blood Bought 1953 I feel like I owe you an apology because you don't appear to be doing that even though I thought you were.

It is never my intention to condemn anyone to hell. if the scriptures that I post make you feel like you are going there, you ought to consider that perhaps that is the conviction of judgment that is being operated by the Holy Spirit; and my response would be to turn to Jesus Christ and seek Him for the remedy to that condemnation.

That's because he's seeing some things he's been taught are wrong. He's basically turned upside down right now, wishy washy, not sure of himself.

Don't give up on him, I see great potential in this guy! We should pray for him!

Agreed. Praying. :)

I can always use the prayers of others as long as they are made in the guidance and power of the Holy Ghost.

One thing that I am very aware of is that some have prayed that I would fall into sin so that I might have a more lenient view as concerning sin. And while I believe that God has even heard prayers like this (for whatever reason), I do not believe that He is going to do so in the future because those who pray such things are asking Him to cause me to fall so that they might feel better about their own sin when they come across my posts; and in this they are regarding iniquity in their hearts and therefore the Lord is not going to answer them in the affirmative (Psalms 66:18).
 

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It is never my intention to condemn anyone to hell. if the scriptures that I post make you feel like you are going there, you ought to consider that perhaps that is the conviction of judgment that is being operated by the Holy Spirit; and my response would be to turn to Jesus Christ and seek Him for the remedy to that condemnation.





I can always use the prayers of others as long as they are made in the guidance and power of the Holy Ghost.

One thing that I am very aware of is that some have prayed that I would fall into sin so that I might have a more lenient view as concerning sin. And while I believe that God has even heard prayers like this (for whatever reason), I do not believe that He is going to do so in the future because those who pray such things are asking Him to cause me to fall so that they might feel better about their own sin when they come across my posts; and in this they are regarding iniquity in their hearts and therefore the Lord is not going to answer them in the affirmative (Psalms 66:18).

does that include Mary?

come Holy Spirit come by the means of the powerful intercession of the immaculate heart of Mary Thy well beloved spouse!
 

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@justbyfaith I already have repented and turned to Christ and at least now I know you don't have any intentions to try and tell people that they're going to Hell,.. even though that's exactly what it sounds like.
 

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@justbyfaith I already have repented and turned to Christ and at least now I know you don't have any intentions to try and tell people that they're going to Hell,.. even though that's exactly what it sounds like.

Can you give me one example of a post where I have come off as saying that, so I can know what you are referring to in particular?
 

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Read my testimony in your in box. You will KNOW you've been born again, when your nature changes.

I’ll read it thanks


Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (IBaptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!
 

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Can you give me one example of a post where I have come off as saying that, so I can know what you are referring to in particular?




Every time I try to tell you that salvation isn't based on works but on grace.
 

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Born again means Baptismal regeneration!

No, actually receiving the Holy Spirit is when you are born again. Baptism can actually be done after you receive the Spirit, not TO receive the Holy Spirit, because baptism is in answer to a good conscience, and your conscience is clear only after you stop sinning, which you can't do without the Spirit given to us when we cry out to Jesus.

The end must be freedom from sin.