Jesus Christ The Great I AM

[Michiah-Imla]

But if someone doesn't believe in His Deity, they are definitely not saved.

You have no scriptural standing for this stance.

 

[justbyfaith]

Not coarse joking, that’s a lie from modern Bibles.

The tried and true KJV just says jesting (of any kind!).

Nice. Thanks for that.

You have no scriptural standing for this stance.

I do (Exodus 3:14, John 8:24).

 

[Taken]

John 17:20-21
[20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; [21] That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

So we being one with God and Christ, does that make us God too?

The things regarding Christ and God are a mystery. We will all know the full truth of this amazing doctrine in heaven. But now we should only do what the Bible says to do to get there to begin with:

Acts 8:37
...believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Because:

1 Corinthians 13:12
...now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Not discounting Scripture.
Yes Many things about God are a mystery.
Yes Some Mysteries about God have been Revealed.

• Here is one of the (IMO) most curious Verses in all of the Scriptures.

Rom 4:
[17] (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Scripture reveals; God is One God, and there is none others like Him.

Scriptures reveals; God is;
Everywhere;
All knowing;
All powerful.

Scriptures reveals;
God has never been Seen or His Voice Heard.
John 5:37

God is NOT for us To SEE or HEAR....YET.
1 John 3:
[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we "shall" see him as he is.

In the meantime...??? Inanutshell;
What God sends forth-
OUT FROM HIM...IS HIM...But WITH Cover.

How do we KNOW it IS HIM?
Precisely Because Scripture Proclaims It HAS "Come forth OUT from HIM".

For Example;
ON this Forum...my Name is "Taken".
"Taken" is the Name of MY WORD, I send Forth Out of MY Mouth"...And YET my word continues to Remain IN me.
My word may BE the exact same words I send out to my Children...Yet, in that case, my word may be call by the Title, Dad, or Mom;
And my word sent forth out of my mouth, may be called by another; Teacher, Employer, Friend, Neighbor, Mr Jones...etc.

The multiple Names and titles, do NOT Change the ONE person That "is me"...
Nor does it change the ONE God who is
"I AM", "He", "Lord God Almighty".

Gods Word, is God, is without Beginning or Ending, AS IS the WHOLE "of" God Himself, without Beginning or ending.

God from OT teaching...is the Creator AND Maker of ALL things...and called the Heavenly Father of All His Created and Made, ManKIND of things.

What...God "used" To Create AND Make All things....is NOT a Mystery.
His "Idea".
His "Word".
His "Power".

We don't See His Idea, His Word, His Power-
We SEE....the Effects, The Results "of ";
His Idea, His Word, His Power.

We learn the Knowledge...of His Idea, Word, Power.....and Freely, Individually, Choose TO Attribute His Idea, Word, Power UNTO Him...
(Or Not).

As we continue hearing, Learning, studying the Knowledge;
(God Approved-
2 Tim 13: [16] All scripture is given by inspiration "of" God...)
We begin to "understand"...
The multiple Names, Titles, descriptions...are All the Same ONE Lord God Almighty....and the revealing "of" more and more "specifics" About our Mighty ONE God; His ideas, plans, from past, present, future.

Son of God?
Are there things God Can Not do? Yes. Example:
He can NOT Lie.
He can NOT "reproduce".
Reproduce, means to "recreate" a thing in the Likeness of the original thing.
God is without Beginning. He can not "create" something "without" a Beginning.
Creating something, establishes that thing has a Beginning.

God did NOT "Create" His "Son".
Clearly Gods Word that came Fourth out "of" "from" Gods Mouth...
God did several thing concerning HIS WORD.

*) God Sent His Word, to where it Pleased Him.
(Isa 55:11)
*) God prepared a Body for His Word.
(Heb 10:5)
*) and that Prepared BODY? Looked in the LIKENESS, fashioned in the Likeness...
"as" an Earthly man.
(Phil 2:8)
*) certainly when Earthly men SEE something that LOOKS LIKE a MAN...they "naturally" call it as they SEE it.
*) God The Father, called His Word, He sent To Earth...
... His Son...that God Himself Established...His relationship with Himself, as He is IN Heaven and Has Prepared Himself to be Revealed On Earth TO Earthly men.
(Heb 1:
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
... And THAT men on Earth shall call Him, Son of man... Because Lawfully, According to Man's Law, A BABE that comes forth out from a woman's womb is Called a son of man.
(39 times in Scripture He is called, Son of man).
And He "shall" also Be called;
Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
• The Son of God...(and men who Believe, do also Call Him the Son of God, as God Declared to Call Him)

John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
[28] I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.



This is in Brief...so much more to hear, learn, study...to Understand...men CAN not SEE or Hear God....YET God IS NOT Limited in Ways and Means to Communicate in Miraculous Ways with HIS CREATED and MADE Earthlings.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

You have no scriptural standing for this stance.

Everything hangs on an individual's Belief.
It is via Belief...Faith from God Is Given.
Without Belief of the individual
And
Faith From God...
"No with" and "in" God and He "in" a man, relationship is established.

Multiple Scriptures reveals Jesus impressing...
To Believe.

He already Knows...Faith is Given man, via Gods Power...for a man's BELIEF.

 

[101G]

Well, you cannot reason with extremists.

nor can one negotiate with terrorists.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[DNB]

They picked up stones to stone the Lord both times.

Jesus asked them the reason why the second time; and they told Him the reason why they did it both times at that time.

What other reason could they have had for stoning Him the first time, other than that He was claiming to be God by referencing Exodus 3:14 in His statement?

I assume that you're referring to Jesus saying 'I and the Father are one'. This passage was not broached in the discussion.
...either way, in that verse, Jesus very abruptly dismissed any claims of deity, but that he was the son of God, clearly defining in the context, that he wasn't God.

 

[justbyfaith]

I assume that you're referring to Jesus saying 'I and the Father are one'. This passage was not broached in the discussion.
...either way, in that verse, Jesus very abruptly dismissed any claims of deity, but that he was the son of God, clearly defining in the context, that he wasn't God.

saying that He and the Father are one is a clear declaration of Deity; and the Pharisees and scribes understood that that is what He was claiming; just as they picked up stones to stone Him for His previous statement for that it was a claim to Deity.

 

[DNB]

saying that He and the Father are one is a clear declaration of Deity; and the Pharisees and scribes understood that that is what He was claiming; just as they picked up stones to stone Him for His previous statement for that it was a claim to Deity.

Being one with another is a spiritual principal. King David & Jonathon became one, a man and a wife are to become one, Christ told all his disciples to become one with him, just as he and God were one. But. most importantly, even the 3 Musketeers were one.

So, JBF, you stated that claiming to be one with the Father is a clear declaration of deity, then why did Christ say to his disciple to become one, just as he and God were one?

 

[justbyfaith]

The same Spirit that dwells in Jesus Christ dwells in every believer in all of His fulness (Ephesians 3:19-20)...so every believer is one with every other believer in that sense.

The Father dwells in Jesus Christ as He is the Spirit of Jesus Christ (John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11)...and therefore they are one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24) as Jesus is God (Hebrews 1:8-9).

Because clearly there is one Lord in holy scripture (Ephesians 4:5); and that Lord is the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21). Yet no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)). And, Jesus is the Lord (1 Corinthians 8:6). And the Lord is also that Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:17); even the Holy Ghost.

So then, there is one Lord; even the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost.

 

[Taken]

I assume that you're referring to Jesus saying 'I and the Father are one'. This passage was not broached in the discussion.
...either way, in that verse, Jesus very abruptly dismissed any claims of deity, but that he was the son of God, clearly defining in the context, that he wasn't God.

God IS Everywhere.
Jer 23:
[24] Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD.

Gods Throne IS Heaven.
Isa 66:
[1] Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool...

God, IN Heaven, On His Throne, Sent His Word forth out from His Mouth....TO Earth, to Teach and Preach Gods Word of Truth to men OF the Earth, The footstool OF God.

(Scripture DETAILS exactly ... that Gods Word IS God, and What Exactly Gods Word Would Look Like, would be Called, and Do and Did).

John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[DNB]

The same Spirit that dwells in Jesus Christ dwells in every believer in all of His fulness (Ephesians 3:19-20)...so every believer is one with every other believer in that sense.

The Father dwells in Jesus Christ as He is the Spirit of Jesus Christ (John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11)...and therefore they are one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24) as Jesus is God (Hebrews 1:8-9).

Because clearly there is one Lord in holy scripture (Ephesians 4:5); and that Lord is the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21). Yet no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)). And, Jesus is the Lord (1 Corinthians 8:6). And the Lord is also that Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:17); even the Holy Ghost.

So then, there is one Lord; even the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost.

I think you're being way too hyper-literal, there are many lords and many gods, and Jesus & the Father are not the same.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
8:5. For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6. yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

 

[DNB]

God IS Everywhere.
Jer 23:
[24] Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD.

Gods Throne IS Heaven.
Isa 66:
[1] Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool...

God, IN Heaven, On His Throne, Sent His Word forth out from His Mouth....TO Earth, to Teach and Preach Gods Word of Truth to men OF the Earth, The footstool OF God.

(Scripture DETAILS exactly ... that Gods Word IS God, and What Exactly Gods Word Would Look Like, would be Called, and Do and Did).

John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Glory to God,
Taken

antanaclasis

 

[justbyfaith]

I think you're being way too hyper-literal, there are many lords and many gods, and Jesus & the Father are not the same.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
8:5. For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6. yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Your contention is that Jesus is a lord rather than who He is, the Lord.

Very obviously this designation for Christ in holy scripture identifies Him as the Father. For there is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5), even the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21).

It should be clear that no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)).

 

[DNB]

Your contention is that Jesus is a lord rather than who He is, the Lord.

Very obviously this designation for Christ in holy scripture identifies Him as the Father. For there is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5), even the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21).

It should be clear that no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)).

So Jesus, the Father, is currently seated at his own right-hand side in heaven?

 

[justbyfaith]

So Jesus, the Father, is currently seated at his own right-hand side in heaven?

That is correct.

 

[DNB]

That is correct.

What do they discuss together?

 

[jaybird]

So Jesus, the Father, is currently seated at his own right-hand side in heaven?

That is correct.

and when the apostles were asking Jesus about sitting at His left hand, this meant the apostles were asking Jesus if they could sit at their own left hands?

 

[jaybird]

the trinity breaks the 1st and 2nd commandments?

Exodus 20:2-3
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.

i saw this right away when i was a young kid. hard to miss that one.

 

[justbyfaith]

the trinity breaks the 1st and 2nd commandments?

Exodus 20:2-3
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.

i saw this right away when i was a young kid. hard to miss that one.

You were mistaken; for Jesus is the same God and not another.

 

[justbyfaith]

and when the apostles were asking Jesus about sitting at His left hand, this meant the apostles were asking Jesus if they could sit at their own left hands?

The Father is an eternal Spirit;

And the apostles are human beings.