Michiah-Imla
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But if someone doesn't believe in His Deity, they are definitely not saved.
You have no scriptural standing for this stance.
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But if someone doesn't believe in His Deity, they are definitely not saved.
Not coarse joking, that’s a lie from modern Bibles.
The tried and true KJV just says jesting (of any kind!).
You have no scriptural standing for this stance.
John 17:20-21
[20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; [21] That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
So we being one with God and Christ, does that make us God too?
The things regarding Christ and God are a mystery. We will all know the full truth of this amazing doctrine in heaven. But now we should only do what the Bible says to do to get there to begin with:
Acts 8:37
...believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Because:
1 Corinthians 13:12
...now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
You have no scriptural standing for this stance.
nor can one negotiate with terrorists.Well, you cannot reason with extremists.
I assume that you're referring to Jesus saying 'I and the Father are one'. This passage was not broached in the discussion.They picked up stones to stone the Lord both times.
Jesus asked them the reason why the second time; and they told Him the reason why they did it both times at that time.
What other reason could they have had for stoning Him the first time, other than that He was claiming to be God by referencing Exodus 3:14 in His statement?
saying that He and the Father are one is a clear declaration of Deity; and the Pharisees and scribes understood that that is what He was claiming; just as they picked up stones to stone Him for His previous statement for that it was a claim to Deity.I assume that you're referring to Jesus saying 'I and the Father are one'. This passage was not broached in the discussion.
...either way, in that verse, Jesus very abruptly dismissed any claims of deity, but that he was the son of God, clearly defining in the context, that he wasn't God.
Being one with another is a spiritual principal. King David & Jonathon became one, a man and a wife are to become one, Christ told all his disciples to become one with him, just as he and God were one. But. most importantly, even the 3 Musketeers were one.saying that He and the Father are one is a clear declaration of Deity; and the Pharisees and scribes understood that that is what He was claiming; just as they picked up stones to stone Him for His previous statement for that it was a claim to Deity.
I assume that you're referring to Jesus saying 'I and the Father are one'. This passage was not broached in the discussion.
...either way, in that verse, Jesus very abruptly dismissed any claims of deity, but that he was the son of God, clearly defining in the context, that he wasn't God.
I think you're being way too hyper-literal, there are many lords and many gods, and Jesus & the Father are not the same.The same Spirit that dwells in Jesus Christ dwells in every believer in all of His fulness (Ephesians 3:19-20)...so every believer is one with every other believer in that sense.
The Father dwells in Jesus Christ as He is the Spirit of Jesus Christ (John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11)...and therefore they are one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24) as Jesus is God (Hebrews 1:8-9).
Because clearly there is one Lord in holy scripture (Ephesians 4:5); and that Lord is the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21). Yet no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)). And, Jesus is the Lord (1 Corinthians 8:6). And the Lord is also that Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:17); even the Holy Ghost.
So then, there is one Lord; even the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost.
antanaclasisGod IS Everywhere.
Jer 23:
[24] Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD.
Gods Throne IS Heaven.
Isa 66:
[1] Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool...
God, IN Heaven, On His Throne, Sent His Word forth out from His Mouth....TO Earth, to Teach and Preach Gods Word of Truth to men OF the Earth, The footstool OF God.
(Scripture DETAILS exactly ... that Gods Word IS God, and What Exactly Gods Word Would Look Like, would be Called, and Do and Did).
John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Glory to God,
Taken
Your contention is that Jesus is a lord rather than who He is, the Lord.I think you're being way too hyper-literal, there are many lords and many gods, and Jesus & the Father are not the same.
1 Corinthians 8:5-6
8:5. For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6. yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
So Jesus, the Father, is currently seated at his own right-hand side in heaven?Your contention is that Jesus is a lord rather than who He is, the Lord.
Very obviously this designation for Christ in holy scripture identifies Him as the Father. For there is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5), even the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21).
It should be clear that no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)).
That is correct.So Jesus, the Father, is currently seated at his own right-hand side in heaven?
So Jesus, the Father, is currently seated at his own right-hand side in heaven?
That is correct.
the trinity breaks the 1st and 2nd commandments?
Exodus 20:2-3
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
i saw this right away when i was a young kid. hard to miss that one.
The Father is an eternal Spirit;and when the apostles were asking Jesus about sitting at His left hand, this meant the apostles were asking Jesus if they could sit at their own left hands?