Do You Have To Be Sinless?

[Thankful 1]

I haven't changed the meaning of any word. I merely point out that not all translations are as clear as they could be. If you can't explain to me why my explanation of the Greek present tense is in error, then your charge is nothing more than an unsubstantiated assertion which simply is not helpful to anyone.

Why should anyone believe your translation of the Greek to English?



I say a person who knows God will not sin, and that is what John said. You want to change the word sin to mean sinning. Well no, that is not what John said.



There is no reason that one who knows God would deliberately commit sin, other then that he or she loves Satan/sin more.



Jesus said that if one lives his Word he, the Father, and the Holy Spirit would make a home in them. A person who is a temple of God, and then invites Satan into that temple by sinning, is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.



People because they can’t understand how one can live sinless, need to twist scripture in such a way that he or she can feel justified if they sin.

 

[bud02]

Why is it that you believe your translation of the bible is better then those who were chosen by the church to do the translating?

Who would this church be?

There is more then just John’s verse that says a Christian is dead to sin. Hebrews tells us that if one knows God and deliberately sins there is not repentance. Acts also give us a demonstration of what happens when one who knows God sin.

It would seem that our sins are not imputed. Not that we have none. Romans 3:20 Gal 2:16 Romans 6:14 Romans 8:2

If thats not enough read the last part of Romans 7.

[sup]13[/sup] Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. [sup]14[/sup] For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. [sup]15[/sup] For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. [sup]16[/sup] If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. [sup]17[/sup] But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. [sup]18[/sup] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. [sup]19[/sup] For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. [sup]20[/sup] Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
[sup]21[/sup] I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. [sup]22[/sup] For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. [sup]23[/sup] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. [sup]24[/sup] O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? [sup]25[/sup] I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

When one reads scripture can’t we agree to read it for what it says?



I believe people because they can’t understand what the Word says needed to develop tools to be able to twist the Word to mean what he or she can understand or live.

Tools to Twist Bible​

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That seems to be the case. 1 Cor 2:14-15

I would like to share some of the tools people use to twist the written Word of God.



The tool often used is the Greek Word.

I believe the Holy Spirit was much involved with the people that translated the Greek scripture to the English version. I also believe they understood the Greek as well or better than the people who try to make people believe the English version is not accurate.



What a con and an elitist act it is to use a study of a language to try and convince others he or she is right because they have some special knowledge of a language.



Hyperbole is also used a lot. Jesus did not mean that it is just an exaggeration. Then people will go on and tell one what he really meant. Tell me how does anyone know unless Jesus told him or her? If Jesus told them he will tell us also right?

So well just look at other verse as we did above and see if your interpretation or mine are true. But understanding the Greek and Hebrew text is important as well, after all men did make the choice of words, and for the most part did a very good job.

Metaphorically Is used much the same way as hyperbole, and the people who use this tool are of course the experts who can tell one just what Jesus meant. Wow they must be really intelligent, like us simple people can’t read, and understand.

See 1 Cor 2:14 it clear that scripture is not clear to every man. Anyone can glean that from reading about Jesus in anyone of the four gospels.

Another tool often used is that part of the written Word is not talking to us. People don’t like what a letter is saying, so then if it is not speaking to them it can be ignored. They want us to believe that the bible is like our history books.

I would still like you to define your tool.
Quote; Why is it that you believe your translation of the bible is better then those who were chosen by the church to do the translating?

Separating our spirit from our bodies, as if one is not part of the other. This tool is used to make our actions not accountable. Our spirit don’t sin so only the body is held accountable. What is so unbelievable is many people buy into that garbage.

Im sorry you fell that way. See Romans 7:13-25 as well.


1 Corinthians 15
[sup]42[/sup] So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. [sup]43[/sup] It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. [sup]44[/sup] It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. [sup]45[/sup] And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.”[sup][d][/sup] The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
[sup]46[/sup] However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. [sup]47[/sup] The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord[sup][e][/sup] from heaven. [sup]48[/sup] As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. [sup]49[/sup] And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear[sup][f][/sup] the image of the heavenly Man.

Romans 3:20 Gal 2:16 Romans 6:14 Romans 8:2

 

[aspen]

I see the Word has reemerged as Thankful1........

 

[jiggyfly]

I see the Word has reemerged as Thankful1........

I think your probably right.

 

[Thankful 1]

I see the Word has reemerged as Thankful1........

You know I was a Catholic for over forty years. I went to Mass and Communion almost every day.



Because you are Catholic you might like to read what one of the Catholic Saints said about sin. By the way what this man had to say upset people so much they cut out his tongue, and his right arm.



The following is a letter by Saint. Maximus the Confessor and it explains in a very unique way what I have been saying, that people who know God do not sin.





The manner of birth from God within us is two-fold: the one bestows the grace of adoption, which is entirely present in potency in those who are born of God; the other introduces, wholly by active exertion, that grace which deliberately reorients the entire free choice of the one being born of God toward the God who gives birth. The first bears the grace, present in potency through faith alone; but the second, beyond, also engenders in the knower the sublimely divine likeness of the One known, that likeness being effected precisely through knowledge. Therefore the first manner of birth is observed in some because their will, not yet fully detached from its propensity to the flesh, has yet to be wholly endowed with the Spirit by participation in the divine mysteries that are made known through active endeavor. The inclination to sin does not disappear as long as they will it. For the Spirit does not give birth to an unwilling will, but converts the willing will toward deification. (So a person doesn’t stop sinning just because they will not to sin.) Whoever has participated in this deification through cognizance experience is incapable of reverting from right discernment in truth, once he has achieved this in action, to something else besides, which only pretends to be that same discernment. (Once a person comes to know God, through the Holy Spirit, they are incapable of reverting to their sinful ways.) It is like the eye, which, once it has looked upon the sun, cannot mistake it for the moon or any of the other stars in the heavens. With those undergoing the (second mode of) birth, the Holy Spirit takes the whole of their free choice and translates it completely from earth to heaven, and, through the true knowledge acquired by exertion, transfigures the mind with the blessed light rays of our God and Father, such that the mind is deemed another “God,” insofar as in its habitude if experiences, by grace, that which God himself does not experience but “is” in his very essence. With those undergoing this second mode of baptism, their free choice clearly becomes sinless in virtue and knowledge, as they are unable to negate what they have actively discerned through experience. So even if we have the Spirit of adoption, who is himself the Seed for enduring those begotten (through baptism) with the likeness of the Sower, but do not present him with a will cleansed of any inclination or disposition to something else, we therefore, even after being born of water and Spirit (Jn 3:5), willingly sin. But were we to prepare our will with knowledge to receive the operation of these agents-water and Spirit, I mean-then the mystical water would, through our practical life, cleanse our conscience, and the life-giving Spirit would bring about unchanging perfection of the good in us through knowledge acquired in experience. Precisely for that reason he leaves, to each of us who are still able to sin, the sheer desire to surrender our whole selves willing to the Spirit.



St. Maximus the Confessor

 

[bud02]

Mental note;
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, he may cut out your tongue and your right arm

 

[Nomad]

Why should anyone believe your translation of the Greek to English?

Because what I've said here is:

1. Easily verified by consulting any basic Greek grammar textbook.

Unlike English verbs, a Greek verb will express not only 'tense,' (past, present, future), it will also indicate 'aspect,' (type of action - continuous or completed). 'Aspect' doesn't translate into English without adding additional words to make it clear what type of action is being communicated. Those translations that fail to express the 'aspect' of a Greek verb are doing readers a great disservice. All of this is something learned and understood by first year Greek students. See Daniel Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond The Basics, p. 499 and William Mounce, Basics Of Biblical Greek, p.123 & 124.

2. Not merely my translation.

1 Jn. 3:6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. NIV

1 Jn. 3:6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning;[sup] [/sup]no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. ESV

1 jn. 3:6 and people who stay one in their hearts with him won't keep on sinning. If they do keep on sinning, they don't know Christ, and they have never seen him. CEV

1Jn 3:6

Sinneth not (ouch hamartanei). Linear present (linear menōn, keeps on abiding) active indicative of hamartanō, “does not keep on sinning.” For menō (abide) see 1Jo_2:6; Joh_15:4-10.

Whosoever sinneth (ho hamartanōn). Present (linear) active articular participle like menōn above, “the one who keeps on sinning” (lives a life of sin, not mere occasional acts of sin as hamartēsas, aorist active participle, would mean).

Robertson's Word Pictures

1Jn 3:6
Sinneth not
John does not teach that believers do not sin, but is speaking of a character, a habit. Throughout the Epistle he deals with the ideal reality of life in God, in which the love of God and sin exclude each other as light and darkness.

Vincent's Word Studies

Progressive Present (a.k.a. Descriptive Present)

1. Definition

The present tense may be used to describe a scene in progress, especially in narrative literature. It represents a somewhat broader time frame than the instantaneous present, though it is still narrow when compared to a customary or gnomic present. The difference between this and the iterative (and customary) present is that the latter involves a repeated action, while the progressive present normally involves continuous action. The progressive present is common, both in the indicative and oblique moods.

Daniel Wallace - Greek Grammar Beyond The Basics, p. 518

 

[Thankful 1]

Because what I've said here is:

1. Easily verified by consulting any basic Greek grammar textbook.

Unlike English verbs, a Greek verb will express not only 'tense,' (past, present, future), it will also indicate 'aspect,' (type of action - continuous or completed). 'Aspect' doesn't translate into English without adding additional words to make it clear what type of action is being communicated. Those translations that fail to express the 'aspect' of a Greek verb are doing readers a great disservice. All of this is something learned and understood by first year Greek students. See Daniel Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond The Basics, p. 499 and William Mounce, Basics Of Biblical Greek, p.123 & 124.

2. Not merely my translation.

1 Jn. 3:6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. NIV

1 Jn. 3:6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning;[sup] [/sup]no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. ESV

1 jn. 3:6 and people who stay one in their hearts with him won't keep on sinning. If they do keep on sinning, they don't know Christ, and they have never seen him. CEV

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”



(Hebrews 6: 4-6) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”

 

[Nomad]

Hebrews 10:26 “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.

Once again, the verb 'sin' in your proof text is in the present tense, (a present participle to be exact), and refers to habitual unrepentant sin. In other words, the writer speaks of a 'lifestyle.' In context, the sinning here refers to not isolated acts, but a state of apostasy.

(Hebrews 6: 4-6) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”

This passage is about Jews committing apostasy by abandoning Christ and running back to Old Covenant Judaism. It's irrelevant to this thread.

One again, you fail to deal with 1 John 1:8-9.

1Jn 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[jiggyfly]

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”



(Hebrews 6: 4-6) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”

Put these scriptures in context and I'm sure you will get a better understanding Thankful1.

This letter is written to Hebrew believers who were struggling with letting go of the old covenant paradigm and practices.

 

[Thankful 1]

Put these scriptures in context and I'm sure you will get a better understanding Thankful1.

This letter is written to Hebrew believers who were struggling with letting go of the old covenant paradigm and practices.

In my opinion the only way to have a true understanding of any scripture is to have Jesus/Holy Spirit give one his or her understanding.



By saying that a certain verse of the bible was written to some group or other, is just another tool used to make what it says not relevant.



The way I understand the Bible is that the Holy Spirit had man put into the written Word of God, just what God wanted his people to understand and obey. To me the bible is not a history book; it is a book of instructions.



God gave his people the grace to be able to withstand Satan/sin. If one still deliberately commits sin he or she has not come to know God. If one did know God he or she would be protected from Satan/sin.

 

[aspen]

In my opinion the only way to have a true understanding of any scripture is to have Jesus/Holy Spirit give one his or her understanding.



By saying that a certain verse of the bible was written to some group or other, is just another tool used to make what it says not relevant.
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I disagree. I think your approach opens the door to private interpretation of the scriptures, which is a dangerous way to read the Bible because we can end up making the Bible conform to our will rather than God's. Knowing the history and context is important because we face some of the same issues as the people the letters were written for and we need to know how the issues were addressed,

 

[Thankful 1]

I disagree. I think your approach opens the door to private interpretation of the scriptures, which is a dangerous way to read the Bible because we can end up making the Bible conform to our will rather than God's. Knowing the history and context is important because we face some of the same issues as the people the letters were written for and we need to know how the issues were addressed,

So tell me something. Is one to trust his or her soul to some other person’s understanding of Scripture? You seem to forget that God gave us his son, and Holy Spirit to teach us. Also Paul told us that only God could teach one to come to know God.





(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”





(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."



Haven’t you ever wondered that if Jesus said he would call his own out by name, and they would not follow anyone but him, that if Jesus hasn’t called you by name, that you may not be one of his?





(1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us. Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually. A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men. As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’ But we are those who have the mind of Christ.”



There is a personal walk with Jesus that needs to be part of every Christian life.



The Holy Spirit once told me to tell people that no matter who tells them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop, or anyone they were to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

 

[aspen]

So tell me something. Is one to trust his or her soul to some other person’s understanding of Scripture?

Of course not. We should always read the scriptures for ourselves. Also, sometimes God speaks to only us in the scriptures - and the message may have nothing to do with the context, and there is nothing wrong with that as long as you know the context so that you can tell the difference. Private interpretation of the scriptures is a separate issue; it often occurs when we mix up a private revelation from God in the scriptures with a public revelation. Joseph Smith, founder of the LDS church had a private revelation from God based on one scripture without context - he acted on it as if it was a public revelation by starting a new church, which teaches heresy.

You seem to forget that God gave us his son, and Holy Spirit to teach us.

Yes He did. I also know that the Spirit gives public and private revelation to people who read the Bible. Two of the characteristics of public revelation are 1) It is never new information 2) It is always Christ-centered. The only way to understand the difference between public and private insight is to understand the context of the scripture. In addition, the only way to know if public revelation is valid by meeting the two criteria, is to know the context

Also Paul told us that only God could teach one to come to know God. (1 John 2:27) (John 10:1-5)

Yep. But God reveals Himself to us all the time, within scripture and in the world.

Haven’t you ever wondered that if Jesus said he would call his own out by name, and they would not follow anyone but him, that if Jesus hasn’t called you by name, that you may not be one of his? (1 Corinthians 2:10-16)


A good way to recognize God's voice is to read scripture and understand the culture of the people He is talking to. Paul's encounter with the risen Christ on the road to Damascus is enriched by understanding that Paul was a Pharisee who persecuted the Christian Church. It is also helpful to understand that he spoke Greek and was a Roman citizen - God choose him to preach to the gentiles, possibly because he was a man of three cultures.

The importance of understanding the culture of the time when a book was written if not limited to the Bible. It would be difficult to understand Moby Dick if you did not understand the culture of whaling in New England in the 18th century.

The Holy Spirit once told me to tell people that no matter who tells them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop, or anyone they were to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

Absolutely. You also need to check the scriptures to make sure it fits in with the over all message (it is not new information - like Jesus will appear in the clouds in a UFO at midnight) and that it is Christ-centered - of course, you have to understand the context of the scripture you are cross-referencing to figure out the two criteria I mentioned.

 

[Thankful 1]

So tell me something. Is one to trust his or her soul to some other person’s understanding of Scripture?

Of course not. We should always read the scriptures for ourselves. Also, sometimes God speaks to only us in the scriptures - and the message may have nothing to do with the context, and there is nothing wrong with that as long as you know the context so that you can tell the difference. Private interpretation of the scriptures is a separate issue; it often occurs when we mix up a private revelation from God in the scriptures with a public revelation. Joseph Smith, founder of the LDS church had a private revelation from God based on one scripture without context - he acted on it as if it was a public revelation by starting a new church, which teaches heresy.

You seem to forget that God gave us his son, and Holy Spirit to teach us.

Yes He did. I also know that the Spirit gives public and private revelation to people who read the Bible. Two of the characteristics of public revelation are 1) It is never new information 2) It is always Christ-centered. The only way to understand the difference between public and private insight is to understand the context of the scripture. In addition, the only way to know if public revelation is valid by meeting the two criteria, is to know the context

Also Paul told us that only God could teach one to come to know God. (1 John 2:27) (John 10:1-5)

Yep. But God reveals Himself to us all the time, within scripture and in the world.

Haven’t you ever wondered that if Jesus said he would call his own out by name, and they would not follow anyone but him, that if Jesus hasn’t called you by name, that you may not be one of his? (1 Corinthians 2:10-16)


A good way to recognize God's voice is to read scripture and understand the culture of the people He is talking to. Paul's encounter with the risen Christ on the road to Damascus is enriched by understanding that Paul was a Pharisee who persecuted the Christian Church. It is also helpful to understand that he spoke Greek and was a Roman citizen - God choose him to preach to the gentiles, possibly because he was a man of three cultures.

The importance of understanding the culture of the time when a book was written if not limited to the Bible. It would be difficult to understand Moby Dick if you did not understand the culture of whaling in New England in the 18th century.

The Holy Spirit once told me to tell people that no matter who tells them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop, or anyone they were to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

Absolutely. You also need to check the scriptures to make sure it fits in with the over all message (it is not new information - like Jesus will appear in the clouds in a UFO at midnight) and that it is Christ-centered - of course, you have to understand the context of the scripture you are cross-referencing to figure out the two criteria I mentioned.

You get to know me better you will see that Jesus has kept me to the written Word of God. But do you know an even better way to be sure one is following God? The fruit that is produced because one is following God is the best proof.



I have walked in many of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and have watched Jesus bring someone back to life, but the true measure that it is Jesus teaching me is that in and through Jesus I have defeated Satan/sin.



Jesus has taught me love, and by giving me the strength to live the Word of God is proof that I love God.



The Holy Spirit knows what Jesus said, and one does not need twenty years studying what might have been spoken back two thousand years ago.



If one needs to know what a verse in the written Word of God means, just ask Jesus.

 

[Nomad]

If one needs to know what a verse in the written Word of God means, just ask Jesus.

Wrong!

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[jiggyfly]

In my opinion the only way to have a true understanding of any scripture is to have Jesus/Holy Spirit give one his or her understanding.



By saying that a certain verse of the bible was written to some group or other, is just another tool used to make what it says not relevant.



The way I understand the Bible is that the Holy Spirit had man put into the written Word of God, just what God wanted his people to understand and obey. To me the bible is not a history book; it is a book of instructions.



God gave his people the grace to be able to withstand Satan/sin. If one still deliberately commits sin he or she has not come to know God. If one did know God he or she would be protected from Satan/sin.

Ahhh, do you kill people for worshiping other gods? Do you stone them for adultery?

So tell me something. Is one to trust his or her soul to some other person’s understanding of Scripture? You seem to forget that God gave us his son, and Holy Spirit to teach us. Also Paul told us that only God could teach one to come to know God.



[font="'Arial Rounded MT Bold"][/font] The Holy Spirit once told me to tell people that no matter who tells them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop, or anyone they were to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

So why are you here posting? Do you think you are God, Jesus or HolySpirit?

 

[JarBreaker]

I disagree. I think your approach opens the door to private interpretation of the scriptures, which is a dangerous way to read the Bible because we can end up making the Bible conform to our will rather than God's. Knowing the history and context is important because we face some of the same issues as the people the letters were written for and we need to know how the issues were addressed,

Even when people bend His word to their will, it does not return to Him void, it accomplishes what He wanted. Just like light hitting water - it refracts and is spread out and sometimes some people might see the green wavelengths and other people might see the blue wavelengths --- but that beam of light still carries the full energy behind it, no matter how many times it was re-directed to shine to more people.

Do you think anyone's private interpretation goes forth into the earth, as Yah sent His word into all the earth at creation ?

No, those private interpretations require that people succumb to the FORCE OF WILL behind whichever person is twisting Yah's word to his own effect.

Say, someone was given power to do this - is He going to let them go into the world and do it for 5 years, 10 ?

That's up to Him, and we are not to know but I guarantee you this - that person will die some day and that private interpretation will die right along with him.

Noone's force of will can withstand the grave - and those seeking to exercise their own will are not going to be resurrected.

 

[Thankful 1]

Ahhh, do you kill people for worshiping other gods? Do you stone them for adultery?



So why are you here posting? Do you think you are God, Jesus or HolySpirit?

I am only posting, because Jesus told me I should.





(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing thathe gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gaveteaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it hastaught you, so you must stay in him.”





(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the manwho does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way,is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of hissheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has broughtout all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him becausethey know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize astranger's voice."

 

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Even when people bend His word to their will, it does not return to Him void, it accomplishes what He wanted. Just like light hitting water - it refracts and is spread out and sometimes some people might see the green wavelengths and other people might see the blue wavelengths --- but that beam of light still carries the full energy behind it, no matter how many times it was re-directed to shine to more people.

Do you think anyone's private interpretation goes forth into the earth, as Yah sent His word into all the earth at creation ?

No, those private interpretations require that people succumb to the FORCE OF WILL behind whichever person is twisting Yah's word to his own effect.

Say, someone was given power to do this - is He going to let them go into the world and do it for 5 years, 10 ?

That's up to Him, and we are not to know but I guarantee you this - that person will die some day and that private interpretation will die right along with him.

Noone's force of will can withstand the grave - and those seeking to exercise their own will are not going to be resurrected.

If your post was referring to me, then this is my answerto you.



Scripture tells us that a person possessed by God needsno one to teach him or her.



It seem many people can’t envision God teachingpeople. Many of those people who dobelieve they are being taught by God, seem to believe that he or she are theonly people God teaches.



We all are responsible for our own souls. So if God calls one then he or she needs tofollow Jesus. The Holy Spirit will makesure that person does what God want of him or her.



(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing thathe gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gaveteaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it hastaught you, so you must stay in him.”





(John 10:1-5)"I tell you thetruth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in bysome other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is theshepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheeplisten to his voice. He calls his own sheep by nameand leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead ofthem, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will neverfollow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because theydo not recognize a stranger's voice."



I want to say I am not a teacher, pastor, or an evangelist. My only jobis to give a word. I am only giving aword that Jesus tells me to give. AgainI warn people, never believe anyone who tells you anything about God, untilJesus tells you it is right.