For free will believers out there

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
You now think God made a man and dwelled in that man, and have other men and the angels worship that man?

Have you considered scriptures saying Jesus is King of Israel and is the first and the last? Do you believe that?

Yes....the God of Jesus, the first and the last is INSIDE Jesus now.

You have been trained in your mind to dissect God and Jesus as side by side.

On earth, God spoke THROUGH Jesus.

In heaven, God speaks THROUGH Jesus.

On earth, God worked THROUGH Jesus.

In heaven, God works THROUGH Jesus.

So you have Jesus, a creature whom you worship.

At least you believe that Jesus is the King of Israel. Though I guess you think of that kingdom as a kingdom that is of this world.

Do you know as well that The LORD is the King of Israel and is the first and the last?

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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
I already answered that.

Now, are you suggesting that Jeremiah pre-existed during that transcendent experience of God with him?

He preexisted from the foundation of the world in God's mind, which is reality.

Here also, millions were seen by God taking the mark of the beast and their names blotted out of the book of life before God created the world....

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet i

<<<He preexisted from the foundation of the world in God's mind, which is reality.>>>

However, while that may be real to God, that was not the case for Jeremiah. He knows nothing of that and did not experience that as well.

But then in the case of Jesus Christ, He had actual and real preexistence and have actual and real experience.

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[Tong2020]

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So you take KJV as the correct translation of the Bible over the others because of that. I see your reason now.

May I ask, from where have they translated from?

Ancient Greek.

So, you believe that these ancient Greek texts, spoke of unicorns, which at the time of the KJV translation refers to a mythical animal?

And did you know that much of the KJV, which was first published in 1611, borrows heavily from earlier English translations, especially Tyndale’s New Testament and the Bishop’s Bible? Also, that the KJV translators of the New Testament, who were accomplished scholars of Classical Greek, were relatively unfamiliar with Koine Greek? It was not until the 1800s and early 1900s, when tens of thousands of papyrus documents were discovered, many written in Koine, that we began to understand the language more fully.

And did you know that the KJV includes verses that more recent translations do not?

So, in using the KJV or any other translations for this matter, one ought to make due diligence, checking out other translations and checking out the Greek Texts.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Col 2:9 happened to Jesus after his God raised him from the dead, first making him bodily omnipresent.

He was too small for all of what God consists of to fit inside him bodily on earth.

So the omnipotent God is not omnipotent by that? That seems strange and problematic.

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[Tong2020]

We have 2 S(s)pirits in our bodies.

The divine Spirit of God and the glorified human spirit of Christ, which his God is inside...God inside Christ...inside us.

Haven’t you just claimed that we are too small for God to indwell us? As I said, such position is problematic.

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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
And in Isaiah 44, who is the one saying is King of Israel. In John 1, while it is Nathaniel who said that Jesus is the Son of God

This is a desperate attempt to equate things that are not equal. Last week I said it was snowing. If one looks out the window now, it is an improper use of language to determine that I was wrong or lying. Saul was King of Israel. David was king of Israel. Solomon was king of Israel. How do you reconcile all these kings of Israel?

<<<Saul was King of Israel. David was king of Israel. Solomon was king of Israel. How do you reconcile all these kings of Israel?>>>

They were kings of Israel, of ethnic Israel. Jesus was not King of that Israel, was He? No. The Israel that Jesus is King of is not that Israel. If you read what Paul has to say of the Israel of God, you will see what I am saying here. As it is, it seems that you are not aware of that.

Tong
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[Truther]

You have said that before, and I nearly pulled you up on it. The part you highlighted tells us ALL the fullness of the Godhead was present in the body of Jesus when he was here on earth. The most powerful thing on earth is the smallest thing on earth. That is the atom. Its power is released when it is made even smaller, when it is split.
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No, no way.

All the fullness of the Godhead bodily means every bit of what God consists of is in Jesus body.

This was impossible on earth as human body sized.

It was only possible after he was resurrected and made a human quickening spirit, bodily.

He was made bodily omnipresent then, as Paul could affirm when Jesus appeared to him as a surrounding light.

 

[Truther]

There is only one Spirit, and the reason for that is because the Father is the Spirit that dwells in Jesus Christ while he was here on earth. Remember Jesus is the Word (God) who created all things in the beginning, Father and Son are literally One. The Fathers Spirit resides in the Body of Jesus. They killed the Flesh but not the Word in him that reigns eternally, from the foundation of the world.
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Is this 2 or 1?


23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[Truther]

False Alternative. Knowledge generally increases with time.

The whole subject of history is different from journalism. We know more about historical figures today than the masses who flocked to hear them speak.

LOL

 

[Truther]

You just said Christ's body was too small, and now you are saying two divine spirits are present in us. Think it through please.
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No, 1 divine Spirit and one human spirit combined as the Holy Ghost in us....


23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[Cooper]

No, no way.

All the fullness of the Godhead bodily means every bit of what God consists of is in Jesus body.

This was impossible on earth as human body sized.

It was only possible after he was resurrected and made a human quickening spirit, bodily.

He was made bodily omnipresent then, as Paul could affirm when Jesus appeared to him as a surrounding light.

I cannot agree sorry, and furthermore I believe the miracles, demonstrate the presence of the Father in Christ.
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[Truther]

So you have Jesus, a creature whom you worship.

At least you believe that Jesus is the King of Israel. Though I guess you think of that kingdom as a kingdom that is of this world.

Do you know as well that The LORD is the King of Israel and is the first and the last?

Tong
R2472

I have a mediator with every bit of what God consists of inside his human spirit body.

I worship God THROUGH Jesus.

They are inseparable and permanently unified.

 

[Truther]

<<<He preexisted from the foundation of the world in God's mind, which is reality.>>>

However, while that may be real to God, that was not the case for Jeremiah. He knows nothing of that and did not experience that as well.

But then in the case of Jesus Christ, He had actual and real preexistence and have actual and real experience.

Tong
R2473

Rather, God knew Jeremiah but Jeremiah could not remember.

 

[Truther]

So, you believe that these ancient Greek texts, spoke of unicorns, which at the time of the KJV translation refers to a mythical animal?

And did you know that much of the KJV, which was first published in 1611, borrows heavily from earlier English translations, especially Tyndale’s New Testament and the Bishop’s Bible? Also, that the KJV translators of the New Testament, who were accomplished scholars of Classical Greek, were relatively unfamiliar with Koine Greek? It was not until the 1800s and early 1900s, when tens of thousands of papyrus documents were discovered, many written in Koine, that we began to understand the language more fully.

And did you know that the KJV includes verses that more recent translations do not?

So, in using the KJV or any other translations for this matter, one ought to make due diligence, checking out other translations and checking out the Greek Texts.

Tong
R2474

Are you reading anti-KJVO websites full of fake news?

 

[Truther]

So the omnipotent God is not omnipotent by that? That seems strange and problematic.

Tong
R2475

The omnipotence of God was given to the man Christ Jesus after he was raised from the dead per Matt 28.

Think about it. That was the results of the col 2:9 effect on his body.

 

[Truther]

Haven’t you just claimed that we are too small for God to indwell us? As I said, such position is problematic.

Tong
R2476

We do not get all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. That is reserved for Jesus.

 

[Truther]

I cannot agree sorry, and furthermore I believe the miracles, demonstrate the presence of the Father in Christ.
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Do you believe that Jesus is bodily omnipresent?

 

[Cooper]

Do you believe that Jesus is bodily omnipresent?

Not presently.
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[Truther]

Not presently.
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Does he have to move around at lightning speeds to appear to people around the world, then?

 

[Cooper]

Does he have to move around at lightning speeds to appear to people around the world, then?

I do not believe Jesus is presently here on earth. Not until he comes again.
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