Once Saved Always Saved

[amigo de christo]

The book is a letter to believers.

There was no title page on the original letter.

You know what i find odd . Many can speak a truth and yet follow a lie .
For example , most would agree that the canon was inspired by GOD , and yet they pick and choose what parts apply to them .
Rather odd i say . Its for THE CHURCH .

 

[Taken]

Yes, I would imagine it is wonderful for you since you are the kingmaker!

However, the term "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" merely means to make sure you stay saved. But the context is in the next verse... Philippians 2:13

To God Be The Glory

The WHAT a man has to WORK OUT...is
"Fulfilling" the Lord's Joy, BY the man making his MIND, subject to the thoughts of his new spirit in his heart....which has the Spirit of Gods Truth.

Phil 2:2

Remember the carnal mind is against God.
God does not change the mans mind.
Men have to make their minds change, by following the spirit of truth in their hearts, over their minds deceptive thoughts.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Philippians 2:12
...my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

The WHAT a man has to WORK OUT...is
"Fulfilling" the Lord's Joy, BY the man making his MIND, subject to the thoughts of his new spirit in his heart....which has the Spirit of Gods Truth.

^^^ This is why false doctrines abound. Men just change the word of God at will.

Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition

The tradition in this case is Once Saved Always Saved.

 

[Wrangler]

I did not ignore it. I properly interpreted it.

I must have missed that.

Why do you skip the next verse?

Not relevant to the issue at hand.

Why did Jesus reject those who did works in his name? And telling them flat out. HE NEVER KNEW THEM[/QUOTE]

Your question is a distraction from the issue.

 

[Taken]

Philippians 2:12
...my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.



^^^ This is why false doctrines abound. Men just change the word of God at will.

Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition

The tradition in this case is Once Saved Always Saved.

No Once is a dispute, among men.

Working out ones Salvation, is two or more who have Salvation...(saved soul AND quickened spirit) ....working out their differences of their minds...(with their spirits thoughts, not their minds thoughts).


Heb 13:
[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee no forsake thee.

Never is infinite.
Do you comprehend a difference...?
Some men Can lose their Salvation.
Some men Can NEVER lose their Salvation.

Do you not know what establishes the difference between such men?

 

[JunChosen]

Those who did as Paul did have overcome.

"I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith!"

We must keep the faith, simple as that!

Are you sure it's as simple as that? If you have faith, why do you need to practice it? You don't even know who has really overcome!

You were not even curious nor asked if there be really two books of life, since by reading the Bible, no where does it state there are two books of life. You have to be spiritual to know however, simple as that!

To God Be The Glory

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Heb 13:
[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee no forsake thee.

Never is infinite.

2 Chronicles 15:2
The Lord is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.

You should learn from this scripture.

Because:

Romans 15:4
...whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning

 

[Charlie24]

Are you sure it's as simple as that? If you have faith, why do you need to practice it? You don't even know who has really overcome!

You were not even curious nor asked if there be really two books of life, since by reading the Bible, no where does it state there are two books of life. You have to be spiritual to know however, simple as that!

To God Be The Glory

Why do I need to practice my faith??????

I see now why you can't understand!

 

[Taken]

2 Chronicles 15:2
The Lord is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.

You should learn from this scripture.

THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO ME.
The Lord "with" a man IS totally different than the Lord "IN" a man.

BECAUSE, I called out to Him, to Receive His Offering.. I Trust He is Faithful and Truth.
His POWER "IN ME", KEEPS my Salvation and Quickening FOREVER....
Greater is He that is IN me, than He that is in the World. Nothing can Separate me from the Lord God.

Romans 15:4
...whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning

Sure, and A NEW TESTAMENT of greater Knowledge (revealing things that were hidden) He has given and A NEW COVENANT OFFERED, to JEWS first, then Gentiles....that they may RECEIVE their Souls Salvation and spirit Quickening...and His Spirit "IN" them...
BEFORE physical Death...ONCE and FOREVER.

And work out themselves, making their Carnal mind, yield to the thoughts of their new spirit in their new heart., A NEW TRUTH, Gods TRUTH.

 

[marks]

Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition

The Word of God:

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Not tradition, but truth.

Much love!

 

[Taken]

You know what i find odd . Many can speak a truth and yet follow a lie .
For example , most would agree that the canon was inspired by GOD , and yet they pick and choose what parts apply to them .
Rather odd i say . Its for THE CHURCH .

Well fact is, All Scripture IS TRUE....
However ONLY particular parts DO Apply to a man.
It is Dividing the word of truth, to pick and choose what DOES APPLY to an individual.

If you are a man, do you apply female scripture to you?
If you are a Jew, do you apply Gentile scripture to you?
If you are not Under Mosaic Law, do you apply that Law to you?

All those things ARE in Scripture, ARE true, but not ALL Scripture applies to you.

for example...
I APPLY OSAS verses TO ME....Because I listened, learned, Gods Offering, to whom, when, order, way, to receiving, and Did those things According to His Order and Way.
I can list the Scriptures that DO Apply to me, FOR having Chosen and Done, what God required to receive His gift of forgiveness, salvation, quickening, freedom from sin and other things.

The problem is...
OTHER MEN, "search" for Scriptures, that DO NOT APPLY to me....and say, SEE, OSAS is wrong....lol

Other men are not making choices for me, are not doing FOR ME, what God requires...
THUS, their willy nilly picking Scriptures that do not apply to me are moot.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV...

4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Not tradition, but truth.

And the truth below gives us more knowledge regarding those who will appear in glory so that we are fully informed of all things concerning the gospel:

Hebrews 4:1
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Which goes together perfectly with this scripture:

Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Or else you will come short, not enduring unto the end.

Because:

Matthew 10:22
...he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

 

[marks]

And the truth below gives us more knowledge regarding those who will appear in glory so that we are fully informed of all things concerning the gospel:

Hebrews 4:1
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Which goes together perfectly with this scripture:

Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Or else you will come short, not enduring unto the end.

Because:

Matthew 10:22
...he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

So, am I hearing you correctly, that you are thinking these other passages somehow mean we shouldn't take this one for exactly what it says?

That there are those who are born again who will not appear with Jesus?

That while the Bible says that you who have been raised with Him, having died, while it says that this one Shall appear with Jesus in glory, you say that's not really true?

It SAYS that, but it doesn't MEAN that? Aren't you making this word of no effect?

Much love!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Well fact is, All Scripture IS TRUE....
However ONLY particular parts DO Apply... It is Dividing the word of truth, to pick and choose what DOES APPLY to an individual

Matthew 4:4
...Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture... is profitable for doctrine

You should really consider what spirit inspires men to believe that only portions of scripture are profitable for doctrine.

 

[marks]

If my hope is in my ability to keep trusting, my hope is in self,

that’s no hope or assurance, that’s setting yourself up for failure

"My anchor holds . . . as tightly as I hold on".

Thankfully, it's Jesus holding onto me, not me holding onto Him.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Matthew 4:4
...Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture... is profitable for doctrine

You should really consider what spirit inspires men to believe that only portions of scripture are profitable for doctrine.

So then you are building an ark? God said, build an ark, and load it with animals.

Or was that meant for Noah?

We believe it's true (ark, flood), we believe we learn from it, but we don't believe it was intended to be our instructions, right?

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

I did not ignore it. I properly interpreted it.

Why do you skip the next verse?

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Why did Jesus reject those who did works in his name? And telling them flat out. HE NEVER KNEW THEM

Because they were working iniquity on the side of what they were doing for God; and because they were trusting in their works to save them instead of trusting in the finished work of Christ which had the power to change them from the inside out; making them new creatures in Christ.

In the parable of the sower, the seed brought forth no fruit except in the fourth soil. James tells us that there is a "believing" that does not lead to salvation. Jesus tells us of someone who is happy to "believe", but when tested, falls away. Peter's words speak of the testing to prove the genuineness of the believer.

This would seem to indicate that there is no salvation unless you bear fruit. Is that what you believe?

Personally, I believe that an apple tree is an apple tree whether it bears apples or not. It is a living tree whether it bears fruit or not. If it is the right kind of tree, it will bear fruit in due season. But if it is not currently bearing fruit, that does not necessarily indicate that it isn't the right kind of tree.

In Romans 4:1-8, we find that we are not justified by works but by faith in Jesus apart from works. Therefore if works are likened to fruit (as would seem to be the case in Titus 3:14), if we are not saved by works we are not saved through bearing fruit either. We are saved if we are a living plant.

And the plant in Luke 8:13 is a living plant. But it is planted in shallow ground so it withers away before it can produce fruit. It is not saved in the sense that it will not be preserved for the heavenly kingdom as a plant that bears fruit. But it is saved in that it is a living plant.

A person can be spiritually alive (no longer dead in trespasses and sins) and yet not have his destination be the kingdom of heaven.

To my thinking, someone who "goes foward and receives Jesus", but who hasn't actually put their trust in Jesus, while they've made what many call a "profession of faith", and may be really happy about it, yet this isn't salvation, if when they are tested or persecuted, they just fall away again.

So, that would indicate that the only way to know whether or not your faith is genuine is after you have lived your life and have stood the test when persecuted throughout all the persecution in your life.

That is not assurance; that is doubt and uncertainty.

If my hope is in my ability to keep trusting, my hope is in self,

that’s no hope or assurance, that’s setting yourself up for failure

Except that my ability to keep trusting is the gift of God through the Holy Spirit. He instills that faith in me and continues to instill that faith in me. I am sealed by the Holy Ghost; and therefore I have an everlasting faith that is given to me by the Holy Ghost.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Aren't you making this word of no effect?

No.

So, am I hearing you correctly, that you are thinking these other passages somehow mean we shouldn't take this one for exactly what it says?

No.

That while the Bible says that you who have been raised with Him, having died, while it says that this one Shall appear with Jesus in glory, you say that's not really true?

No.

Those who are saved are thoroughly described throughout the New Testament in what they do and don’t do. You don’t seem to be interested in those particulars; you just want to hear the part of the story containing the end results without the conditional admonitions.

 

[justbyfaith]

That there are those who are born again who will not appear with Jesus?

There are those who think that they are born again who will not appear with Jesus.

 

[kcnalp]

Not in this life or at any other time!

A very dangerous deception!

You bet. Before salvation we were ALL (no exception) unsaved and sinners!!!

Are you Baptist?

The word "fear" here actually is translated as "reverence."

You're trying to rewrite the Bible to fit your doctrine.

To you yes because you have no inkling as to what it really means. Well here is a lesson for all you non-osasaers:

In eternity past before the foundation of the world, God predestined, elected, called, and chosen all those He desired to become saved... Ephesians 1:4-6.

To fulfill the above the Father sent His only Son to earth to redeem the sins of all those He desired to save... Matthew 1:21

Jesus said: No man can come to me unless the Father "draw" him and all that the Father gives me I will lose none of them John... 6:37; 44.

To top it all off, Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said: "There's none righteous no, not one; there's none that seeks after God." Romans 3:10-11

So if none seeks after God, who then can be saved? None, Zilch, Nada, Zero!

Shall I continue? Perhaps not. I think you got the gist with this short study.

To God Be The Glory

Predestination is a Biblical fact but not OSAS.

Romans 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.