Who is Jesus Christ?

[Curtis]

Wrong. It’s such a desperate trinitarian reach to suppose this figurative verse makes this statement. Beings and people are not words. HINT: The Word is the Word of God, not Jesus.

Who created the world?

John 1 - Jesus created the world, then was born into the world He had made.

Unless you want to claim that the Father was born into the world He made, you must admit Jesus is also God.

No. Jesus figuratively says this. The expression continues to this day. I tell people my wife and I are of one mind, etc. This is a figurative expression meaning in today's colloquialism 'on the same page.'

No one says, he who has seen me has seen my wife.

 

[Wrangler]

Show me one prophet who said, he who has seen me has seen the Father, other than Jesus. There are none.

Isaiah said he was the First and the Last. See 44:6. Does that make him God also?

Jesus created the world.

My Bible says God created the world.

 

[Wrangler]

Who created the world?

God. See GE 1.

John 1 - Jesus created the world, then was born into the world He had made.

John 1 re-states that God created the world. It's just that trinitarians want to pretend the figurative language refers to someone else.

Unless you want to claim that the Father was born into the world He made, you must admit Jesus is also God.

No. There is only one God, the Father. The proper way to interpret John was is the fulfillment of:


15 He will raise up from among your own people a prophet who will be like me.[a] Listen to him. 16 This is just what you asked Him for on the day you gathered at Mount Horeb: “Don’t make me listen to the voice of the Eternal my God anymore! And don’t make me look at that blazing fire! I’ll die!” 17 The Eternal told me, “They’re right. 18 I’ll send them another prophet like you from among their own people. I’ll put My words in the mouth of this prophet who will tell them everything I command him to say.
Deuteronomy 18:15-18 (VOICE)

No one says, he who has seen me has seen my wife.

Right but many say that about father and son.

 

[Curtis]

LOL projecting big time! The nature of the almighty being unitarian is stated 5,000 times.

The way to properly interpret John 1 is through Deutoronomy 18:15-18.

The trinity is established in the Old Testament.

The word ONE in the verse you keep citing, is ECHAD in Hebrew, which isn’t a singular word, but means a COMPOSITE unity of one, such as ONE sheet of three layered plywood, or ONE cluster of grapes.

This composite unity is found in Genesis one, when ELOHIM, which is the plural form of God, not singular, said let US make man in OUR image.

John 1 takes us right back to Genesis 1 when it says IN THE BEGINNING was the word, and the word was both WITH God, and yet WAS God, and proves the word is separate from the Father because it says the word BECAME FLESH and dwelt among us, in the world He had made.

Thus the ELOHIM that is a composite and plural unity, that said let US make man in OUR image, consisted of two members of the Godhead: the Father, and the word.

 

[kcnalp]

The lake of fire is defined sir, the second death.

"Death" does not mean "cease to exist".

If God is as evil as you say

I did not say God is evil. Stop lying!

I will be right there with you, as I will not serve a god with no sense of justice. Jehovah right from the very start made it clear what the penalty for disobedience is Gen 2:17

I would like to recommend this short video K: https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/LatestVideos/pub-ebtv_4_VIDEO

I'll stick with what Jesus taught.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[kcnalp]

As you said, the Word became flesh, not God with whom the Word was with.

John 1 The Word was God.

Yep, still there! Jesus is God.

 

[Wrangler]

As you said, the Word became flesh, not God with whom the Word was with.

Exactly right! Jesus is not God but was selected by God, sent by God and said only what God told him to say. Then God raised this man from the dead. Then God have this man all authority.

 

[kcnalp]

Exactly right! Jesus is not God but was selected by God, sent by God and said only what God told him to say. Then God raised this man from the dead. Then God have this man all authority.

John 1 The Word was God.

Yep, still there!

 

[Wrangler]

John 1 The Word was God.

Yep, still there!

Yup but it does not mean what trinitarians claim. Beings are not words.

 

[kcnalp]

Yup but it does not mean what trinitarians claim. Beings are not words.

Let me guess, Kingdom Hall told you that. Do you believe everything from Kingdom Hall?

 

[Wrangler]

Acts 17:31. Still there.

31 He has fixed a day of accountability, when the whole world will be justly evaluated by a new, higher standard: not by a statue, but by a living man. God selected this man and made Him credible to all by raising Him from the dead.

 

[Wrangler]

It means what it says. Jesus is God, no matter how many lies Kingdom Hall tells.

LOL. Jesus is not even mentioned in John 1:1. ROFLMAO

 

[kcnalp]

LOL. Jesus is not even mentioned in John 1:1. ROFLMAO

Then who was "The Word was God", "The Word became flesh"?

 

[marks]

He is love for sure, and not doubt love motivated him to participate in the creation. To date he gave the greatest act of love a man can give, his life in behalf of others. He is the greatest man who ever lived.

If Jesus were "the greatest man who ever lived", but nonetheless just a man, what would give him the right to give his own life in behalf of others? Wouldn't his own life be only for him?

Much love!

 

[marks]

LOL. Jesus is not even mentioned in John 1:1. ROFLMAO

You don't see Him there?

The Word? That was with God? That was God? That became flesh?

I see Jesus there, very much so.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

Then who was "The Word was God", "The Word became flesh"?

God - not Jesus. The fulfillment of Deutoronomy 18:15-18.

The Word of God became flesh with every prophet. It’s just that Jesus did not act as a transmitter or translator like the others. You are aware that Jesus admitted he was sent by God and only does the will of God and only says what God tells him to say, right?

‘For us, there is one God, the Father’
1 Corinthians 8:6

 

[kcnalp]

God - not Jesus. The fulfillment of Deutoronomy 18:15-18.

The Word of God became flesh with every prophet. It’s just that Jesus did not act as a transmitter or translator like the others. You are aware that Jesus admitted he was sent by God and only does the will of God and only says what God tells him to say, right?

‘For us, there is one God, the Father’
1 Corinthians 8:6

Another Kingdom Hall victim?

 

[Wrangler]

You don't see Him there?

The Word? That was with God? That was God? That became flesh?

I see Jesus there, very much so.

Much love!

You are projecting trinitarian dogma onto unitarian text.

 

[Wrangler]

Another Kingdom Hall victim?

No. Just a Christ follower who knows the trinity is not in the Bible.

 

[kcnalp]

No. Just a Christ follower who knows the trinity is not in the Bible.

How many Gods do you have?
Gen 1 God said let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.

You sure you're not JW?