Questions For A Catholic

[Templar81]

I've got a serious question! I've heard sermonsa nd I've heard homillies. Is there a difference or are they just two words for the same thing? I've never heard a catholic refer to a sermon, nor an eveangelical protestant refer to a homily and in the C of E it depends on what parish your in as to what they call it.

So what's the difference between a sermon and a homily?
(serious answers please)

 

[aspen]

The only difference that I have noticed is that homilies are usually not as long as sermons and they always follow the three year cycle - Catholics preach the entire Bible. like Anglicans.

 

[Templar81]

I wonder if a sermon is more generally bible based whereas a homily is based ons pecific passages. At my church we call them sermons but they are what you describe aspen. We have the lectionary with specific readings for specific days. mOst of our sermons are about the readings we had we had just heard.

Do Catholics these days tend to have three readings;Old Testament , New Testament Epistle and Gospel. Sometimes we have three but these days we have two and alternate each week between an old testament and a new testament epistle and we always have the Gospel of course.

Do evangelicals tend to base their sermons on specific passages that are relevant to that day or are the sermons more general like the Televangelists?

 

[TexUs]

How are you Catholics taking the Pope's new announcement that Child Porn is OK? He's your "doctrine protector", right? All bow and all hail what the Pope says.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/popersquos-child-porn-normal-claim-sparks-outrage-among-victims-15035449.html

 

[Templar81]

I don't think he really said that, there's no way he would say that.

 

[Foreigner]

The Pope is a Liberal. Who knew?

 

[WhiteKnuckle]

How are you Catholics taking the Pope's new announcement that Child Porn is OK? He's your "doctrine protector", right? All bow and all hail what the Pope says.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/popersquos-child-porn-normal-claim-sparks-outrage-among-victims-15035449.html

Doesn't seem like he's supporting it. Where can I find the whole speech?

 

[Templar81]

The Pope is a Liberal. Who knew?

He's far more conservative than his predecessr

 

[aspen]

I will have to read the whole speech as well - everyone loves to take the Pope out of context

 

[Foreigner]

He's far more conservative than his predecessr

-- Present topic excluded apparently.

 

[Anastacia]

I have never put down your beliefs. I do not even ask you questions any of your beliefs. You believe that the Holy Spirit is ONLY a spirit of God and Jesus....how is that putting your beliefs down compared to YOU calling my beliefs evil and taught by demons? I put emphasis on "only" to show that your beliefs and mine are indeed different.

I do not put down the Word of God nor ignore the Scriptures because I use scriptures as support. You just don't like how scripture can support what I say.

For example, when I stated that Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah in the Transfiguration, you do not like that Scripture because in that Scripture Jesus was actually speaking to someone who was no longer walking on the earth. And the three Apostles who were with Jesus was able to see the spirits of Moses and Elijah. That is what you do not like simply because you do not know what to make of it.

You are the one who kept calling us "liars". Where have we been disrespectful? We have never even called you any names? But you....how easy it is for you to call someone who don't even know a "liar." You and Marksman have been doing all the persecuting and all the name calling, and we are your victims. What rude names have I called you?

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake:

What I see from you, Selene, is that you have a hard time following the truth, whether it be God's Truth from the Bible, or something someone in this group says.

You and aspen are not innocent when it comes to being rude and calling people names. Period.

So stop going on about how rude others are to you. I understand that people who defend false doctrine....they don't want to see the truth, and they will be offended. So be prepared.

You do go against God when you read what the scriptures say but then you do what God says not to. I'm not going to spend too much time with you anymore. You defend a pope who is called "Holy Father." That is enough to avoid you and Catholics completely.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and Jesus. You deny the very name. For you to say that is an "only" is beyond strange and wrong.

You make up stories to keep your lies alive. You said that I don't know what to make of your explanation of Elijah and Moses....I don't even remember what you said about it. And I believe in the life of the spirit after the death of the body.

 

[Anastacia]

This is the skull of St. Rose, venerated by the Roman Catholic Church. An iron ring has been put around her head.

This next picture shows the current pope venerating the decayed body.....the decayed body that should be buried.

Surely it is demons the Catholic church follows....when they unbury their dead and put them in glass caskets for display to be prayed to.

Here is another nun, St. Catherine. The Catholics have declared her body "incorrupted."

Another picture of the so-called incorruptible body of St. Catherine.

 

[Foreigner]

If Catholics were willing to accept the scriptural feedback they are receiving with the same openness and faith that they are asking non-Catholics to accept their non-scripture based claims, I am of the opinion there would be a lot fewer Catholics in the world today.

 

[TexUs]

Well now that the Catholic Church has OK'd perversion and is now filled with perverts I wonder if they will all migrate to Mormonism, perhaps? Maybe Islam.

If Catholics were willing to accept the scriptural feedback they are receiving with the same openness and faith that they are asking non-Catholics to accept their non-scripture based claims with, I am of the opinion there would be a lot fewer Catholics in the world today.

Absolutely.

I'm still shocked how on one hand they say they believe Scripture but on the other blatantly ignore it. Bowing and such, if you want to argue it's not worship or whatever... Alright we can debate it. But stupid stuff like the office of the Pope, Mary not having any kids, Mary not dying, creating idols... This stuff is blatantly against scripture.

The only time we see dead people spoken of it's talked about in a negative light (don't mark yourselves for the dead??? Remember that one??? Bible says we aren't supposed to honor them and yet......)
Those pictures of dead people are flat out CREEPY AS HELL (and probably, literally creepy as hell). I can't look at that and say it's something good, honoring, and glorifying to God.

 

[Templar81]

Wh are we still being sown pictures of saint's remains. This discussion is going nowhere; we're not going to agree with you and your not going to agree with us so let's just drop it.

 

[Anastacia]

The only time we see dead people spoken of it's talked about in a negative light (don't mark yourselves for the dead??? Remember that one??? Bible says we aren't supposed to honor them and yet......)
Those pictures of dead people are flat out CREEPY AS HELL (and probably, literally creepy as hell). I can't look at that and say it's something good, honoring, and glorifying to God.

It sure is "creepy as hell." Good points about not marking yourselves for the dead. And, as you probably have already observed---in the Bible, when someone has died---they are buried. And it might be creepy, but what the Catholic church believes.....it has to be exposed. And it's not like the Catholics hide it....it is just something quietly accepted. When Jesus saved me....I knew the falseness of the Catholic church, but I needed to know more, to really cut myself off from her. Catholics go on and on with falseness of how they are the oldest, and therefore the One True Church, and without her no fullness of scripture can be had. I want to help Christians take comfort in knowing they do right in knowing the Catholic church is false.

 

[TexUs]

I will say what's amazing about the Catholic church is how it's managed to stay together so long through major doctrinal changes in its history. Most of your protestant churches split over stupid stuff like baptism whereas the Catholic church can change their entire view on heaven, for instance, and still remain solvent.
Only a supernatural entity could do that, the question is which one........

Wh are we still being sown pictures of saint's remains. This discussion is going nowhere; we're not going to agree with you and your not going to agree with us so let's just drop it.

You're right.
You're clinging to teachings of men.
We are clinging to teachings of Scripture.

One group needs to budge and I know which one it shouldn't be.

 

[Templar81]

You're clinging to teachings of men.
We are clinging to teachings of Scripture.

Scriptures that were written by menm they didn't just float down fromHeaven.

 

[WhiteKnuckle]

Here's an interesting article on the incorruptibles. http://www.jamesabarrett.com/page8/incorupt.html

One thing I found very interesting is the scent of roses that supposedly came from these bodies. Since we're on a macabre kick, I will share an experience.

I worked at a place called Skulls Unlimited, you can google them.

They sell skeletons and skulls of everything from fish to humans, and almost everyother creature with a form of skeleton or bones. One of their clients was a doctor. His mother had an extreme case of a very rare bone disease. Her skeleton was twisted and deformed much like the character Zelda from the movie Pet Cemetary.

This doctors mother donated her body to science. Once she died her son sent her frozen corpse to Skulls Unlimited. I and 3 other employees took part in the cleaning of her skelton. After the flesh was removed her bones were placed on racks and dried.

I was in charge of taking care of the dermestid beetle colonies. These were used to eat the remaining flesh off of the bones.

With this womans dried remains, I noticed something. A sweet smell, almost perfumed or what could be considered to be flowers. None of the other bones of animals had this smell, although the smell of dried flesh wasn't a smell of decay as you would expect. Everyone of them had a sort of sickly sweet aroma.

In my experienced and educated guess, there was nothing supernatural going on with her remains. It seems to be a natural part of the decaying process and a part of preservation causes certain chemical reactions to take place that would allow certain aromas to escape.

 

[TexUs]

Scriptures that were written by menm they didn't just float down fromHeaven.

Written by a hand made of flesh? Yes. Did they have God's stamp of approval and commissioning of them? Yes.