Once Saved Always Saved

[justbyfaith]

Ive never written that sentence on this Forum.
Never wrote that, never said that.
You got that from FERRIS BUELLER, who says that this is what i teach.
He's a liar.
So, you are quoting that person's lie, thinking you are quoting me.
And thats both really stupid and very dishonest.
You are such a deceiver, and are so confused.

Again, when we see things in other people, it tends to be true that what we think is so sinful in that other person is ten times as true in our own lives (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

You teach that we are not saved by a continued faith; I have seen you teach it.

That implies at the very least that if we do not continue in the faith, we continue to have salvation.

But apparently you are denying now that you teach this; because it is an obvious heresy and you don't want to be held accountable for your false doctrine.

btw, @Ferris Bueller is no liar...

He is faithful to the word of the Lord in what he preaches.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But he's telling this to people he himself says are saved....

12I am writing to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.

13I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning.

I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one.

14I write to you, dear children, because you know the Father.

I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning.

I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God lives in you, and you have overcome the evil one. 1 John 2:12-14


As for you (those referred to above), see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is what he promised us—eternal life.
26I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
1 John 2:24-26

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So how does a saved person let the word remain in them?
How do they not let it remain in them?

Do you believe everyone in your church is saved? I don’t. And I know Paul did not think everyone he wrote to or would read his letters were saved

If you want to believe you can repent come to faith because you know your condemned and have no hope whatsoever and are dead apart from Christ. So you call out to him and he makes you his child and gives you everything spiritually you need including a relationship and the HS. And all of a sudden repent again back to unbelief. Then. All the power to you and your conditional life based on your power

as for me. I have been a prodigal son left god for 5 years. But I never stopped trusting God for salvation. In fact, I could not continue when I was sinning, because the chastening of God was so great and my guilt was so deep, I became so depressed I wanted to end my life, it was at that time, through a friend I had not seen for 5 years, that God came to me, I heard his voice and I followed

you see God keeps his word, I trust him, and nothing will ever change that

if you think we can just repent one way and repent back. Well I do not know what to tell you, other than you do not know what your missing if you think I this

 

[justbyfaith]

Do you not recall that ive taught on Hebrews 10, to YOU, at least 4 times.
Explained it, in detail, to you, and not just once.

So, all you would have to do is post a link to your former teaching.

In Hebrews 10, you have Paul talking again to unsaved Jews, (Hebrews) and he's tells them that their Christ rejection, is "willful sinning", "trodding on the blood of Jesus". "crucifying Christ AFRESH"..., and "there remains no more sacrifice" for anyone who does this, as if you reject MESSIAH, you have rejected the SACRIFICE.

You are not accurately defining what is "willful sin".

Willful sin has to do with any sin that you commit in a deliberate manner in defiance of the Lord.

 

[justbyfaith]

Do you believe everyone in your church is saved? I don’t. And I know Paul did not think everyone he wrote to or would read his letters were saved

If you want to believe you can repent come to faith because you know your condemned and have no hope whatsoever and are dead apart from Christ. So you call out to him and he makes you his child and gives you everything spiritually you need including a relationship and the HS. And all of a sudden repent again back to unbelief. Then. All the power to you and your conditional life based on your power

as for me. I have been a prodigal son left god for 5 years. But I never stopped trusting God for salvation. In fact, I could not continue when I was sinning, because the chastening of God was so great and my guilt was so deep, I became so depressed I wanted to end my life, it was at that time, through a friend I had not seen for 5 years, that God came to me, I heard his voice and I followed

you see God keeps his word, I trust him, and nothing will ever change that

if you think we can just repent one way and repent back. Well I do not know what to tell you, other than you do not know what your missing if you think I this

@Eternally Grateful,

While you were in the pigpen you were both dead and lost (Luke 15:24, Luke 15:32).

 

[Behold]

You teach that we are not saved by a continued faith

We are not saved by faith.
We are justified by faith, and then God, who has counted our faith as righteousness, then gives us the new birth.

So, your confusion, and Ferris Buellers confusion is that you both trust in FAITH, instead of Trusting in Christ.

See, its very simple. Your savior in your mind, is your faith.
This is why you believe that if you lose your FAITH, (your savior) you are lost.
So, you are trusting in FAITH, and faith, is not the Savior.

Here is your theology, and his......'as long as i keep my faith, i keep myself saved", but if i lose my faith, that is my savior, then ive lost my salvation.

And that, deceiver, is not Trust in Christ. That is trust in FAITH.

That i what i teach.
Be sure to quote it.

 

[Behold]

You are not accurately defining what is "willful sin".

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Im teaching Hebrews, you are teaching your idea of your own willful sin.

See, in Hebrews, the Christ Rejecting Jews are committing the WILLFUL SIN of "UNBELIEF".

You can't see this, because you were terribly deceived by a Pentecostal organization, long ago, and then, the book of Hebrews, became your bear trap.
And it still remains so, to this day, justbyfaith.

 

[justbyfaith]

We are not saved by faith.

Right...we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9).

e are justified by faith, and then God, who has counted our faith as righteousness, then gives us the new birth.

So, your confusion, and Ferris Buellers confusion is that you both trust in FAITH, instead of Trusting in Christ.

See, its very simple. Your savior in your mind, is your faith.
This is why you believe that if you lose your FAITH, (your savior) you are lost.
So, you are trusting in FAITH, and faith, is not the Savior.

Here is your theology, and his......'as long as i keep my faith, i keep myself saved", but if i lose my faith, that is my savior, then ive lost my salvation.

And that, deceiver, is not Trust in Christ. That is trust in FAITH.

That i what i teach.
Be sure to quote it.

You should understand that we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:1-2).

So, if we cease to have faith, we cease to have access to grace; and thus we are no longer saved by grace.

What say you about this?

You can't see this, because you were terribly deceived by a Pentecostal organization,

The Pentecostals have the Holy Ghost (the Spirit who guides us into all truth, John 16:13) as evidenced by the gift of tongues.

 

[justbyfaith]

We are not saved by faith.
We are justified by faith,

justification is an aspect of salvation.

 

[Behold]

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You should understand that we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:1-2).
So, if we cease to have faith, we cease to have access to grace; and thus we are no longer saved by grace.
What say you about this?

i say that if you understand what it means to be born again, you would not be so deceived.
See, you talk about SELF EFFORT.
This is always the legalist, trying to find a way to replace the blood of Jesus with SELF.
Thats you.
So, your "self" righteousness, is to trust in Faith, or trust in Abiding.
This means, that your FAITH, is in DOING THOSE, to keep from going to hell.
And thats the theology of the Devil, who teaches that WORKS keep you saved.
Just like you teach it.

"Behold, im holding onto FAITH, to keep myself saved".....

Well, im not.
And that is because God has already accepted my FAITH, to SAVE ME long ago, deceiver.
How do i know He did?
Im born again and that is why i dont teach nonsense about "holding onto" anything, or "enduring to the end" of anything.
im in GOD< already...... and He's in me forever.= and THAT, and not "holding untofaith" is why im SAVED.

See it yet?
ITs been over 6mos that im showing you.

 

[Behold]

justification is an aspect of salvation.

Justification, by faith, is something that you can wikipedia, but its not something you yet grasp.

You think that cutting and pasting, and quoting verses, is proof you have a clue.
Wrong answer.

 

[Wrangler]

Oh i would never tell them that lie.

I think you and Ferris are not communicating as he can used ‘saved’ to mean past tense - but must remain actively doing God’s will - while you do not use the term to allow for that.

In today’s Devotional Reading I came Luke 13:5 and thought of this discussion. Do you suppose our Lord meant <one and done> or ongoing?


No, I tell you. Rather, unless you turn from your sins, you will all die similarly.”
(CJB)

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So God is dependent on us “holding our faith”

I thought it was us dependent on God keeping his promise based on his work.

but if you think God is dependent on you, and think that is not conditional. Well, I don’t ow what to tell you

Was God dependent on us for our believing when we first got saved?

 

[justbyfaith]

See, you talk about SELF EFFORT.

No; you talk about self-effort.

Faith is not self-effort.

So, your "self" righteousness, is to trust in Faith, or trust in Abiding.

No, I trust in Christ; and I abide in Christ because of that trust.

Scripture is clear on the idea that the anointing that abides in (some of) us teaches us to abide (1 John 2:27).

And thats the theology of the Devil, who teaches that WORKS keep you saved.
Just like you teach it.

So, you're saying that what the anointing teaches us is the theology of the devil.

That is, at the very least, borderline blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.

I also do not teach that works keep us saved; you have misrepresented me here.

I teach that faith keeps us saved.

deceiver.

You have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

And I can prove it.

You deny indwelling sin; and therefore you are not only seeking to deceive others but you have deceived yourself (1 John 1:8).

 

[Behold]

So, you're saying that what the anointing teaches us is the theology of the devil.

That is, at the very least, borderline blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
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Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is to come on a public forum and teach that water has the power to save.
You did that.
Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is to take credit for your salvation, or as you teach it.... "im keeping myself saved by, holding unto my faith, or by my abiding".
See, when you teach this Cross denying theology, you are crediting an act of YOURSELF< and discrediting the Sacrifice of Jesus.
Thats the "blasphemy".
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is to actually lie and say.... that you didnt commit your SIN of your own free will, or willfully.

 

[Behold]

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[Behold]

I think you and Ferris are not communicating as he can used ‘saved’ to mean past tense - but must remain actively doing God’s will - while you do not use the term to allow for that.

No, thats not it.

Ferris and JBFaith, believe that if they stop holding onto their faith, then they will burn in hell after they die.
So, that mindset, is to have faith= that FAITH is keeping you saved.
And that means you have faith in FAITH, and not in Christ.

There are not 2 saviors.
Its not Faith and Jesus.
Its not Faith and God.
Its not water + The Cross
Its just God. He's the savior, and He accepts our faith ONCE, when we first truly believed, and He then gives us the new Birth.
DONE.
COMPLETED SALVATION.
THat is GOD doing all that.
Not Faith.

Faith is just a word that means trust.
God takes this trust in Christ, and accepts it, and then proceeds to deal with your sin with Jesus's Blood, and deal with your dead Spirit, but giving it a new birth = born again.

 

[Behold]

Was God dependent on us for our believing when we first got saved?

He accepted your faith, at that time, to complete Salvation.
Faith is accepted, and then God does the rest.
We dont do it, we RECEIVE IT.
Its "the GIFT of Salvation".

 

[Wrangler]

There are not 2 saviors.
Its not Faith and Jesus.

No one ever said there were 2 Saviors. A Savior is a person. How Jesus saves is through faith - through action as he said in Matthew 17:21. We are not saved by our action but through our pre and post requisite action. That is, we cannot pay lip service to belief while not being transformed, not continuing in a perpetual state of unrepentant sin.

The pre-requisite action is to slay the biggest idol in the world, our own ego. We have to accept the saving Grace of God.

The post-requisite action is to henceforth actually do the will of God, e.g., The Great Commission.

Faith is just a word that means trust.

No. Faith is acting on ones belief. Faith is NOT merely an emotional appeal for trust is just an emotion.

 

[justbyfaith]

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is to come on a public forum and teach that water has the power to save.

Prove it scripturally.

You can't; because it isn't in there.

As a matter of fact, scripture teaches us that those who are water-baptized are more inclined to believe (Luke 7:29-30).

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is to take credit for your salvation, or as you teach it.... "im keeping myself saved by, holding unto my faith, or by my abiding".

The reality is that the Holy Ghost, the anointing, teaches us to abide (1 John 2:27).

Ferris and JBFaith, believe that if they stop holding onto their faith, then they will burn in hell after they die.

That's not exactly it.

I do not have to hold on tightly to my faith in order to keep faith in Jesus.

Because I am sealed by the Holy Spirit, He has placed in me an everlasting faith.

So, the Holy Spirit keeps my faith; because I have a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14).

I'm surprised that you haven't seen this in my teaching; because I have made it quite evident.

 

[Wrangler]

We dont do it, we RECEIVE IT.
Its "the GIFT of Salvation".

It is so odd that you think this receipt is one and done. The parallel is that you are a drowning man and Jesus throws you a life preserver. You cannot just momentarily hold onto it and think you won't drown.