Once Saved Always Saved

[Ferris Bueller]

Here's one . . .

Philippians 3:20-21 KJV
20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21) Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Do you think you may stop believing and become spiritually dead again? Revert back to the man born of Adam?

Then you cannot in all genuineness say that Jesus SHALL change your vile body to be like His. You'd have to say He Might. Maybe! With all the uncertainty of your faith. Maybe I hope He might perhaps change my body to be like His, IF IF IF IF I make it!

What I believe is this.

My conversation is in heaven (where we live), and from heaven I'm looking for my Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe He shall (no word games there, He actually shall) change my vile body to be fashioned like His glorious body. He'll do what with the same working by which He is able to subdue EVERYTHING to Himself.

These things will definitely happen for you. Why? Because you said, "I believe", so these promises are for you. You are still satisfying the condition of believing that is required in order to receive the promises. Keep doing that, just as the Bible exhorts us to do.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

In your other post you just claimed you are saved. And here you seem to argue agains that.

It just looks like I'm now saying I'm not saved because your view of salvation is prejudiced by osas thought. You look at words and instantly understand them according to osas. For example, when you see the word 'saved', you instantly see 'forever saved, no matter what'. But if you would stop doing that you'd see there are other ways to view verses in the Bible that are legit.

 

[Behold]

I am simply taking into account verses that speak of certain things; which you apparently want to ignore. Romans 11:20-22 tells us that if we don't continue in His goodness, .

Heretics, the really Devil led ones, teach that "to continue in Jesus's Goodness", means they are to try to keep themselves saved by their own LIFESTYLE and SELF EFFORT.
Thats you and ferris beuller.

The good news, is that if you are not deceived, you can easliy understand that "Jesus's Goodness', is God's Blood Atonement.

You can't comprehend this, because you are a "self saver" who has no understanding of the Cross of Christ.
But you can rant about that Water, and about anything else that you try to use to replace the GIFT of Salvation. = Galatians 1:8

 

[Behold]

It just looks like I'm now saying I'm not saved because your view of salvation is prejudiced by osas thought. You look at words and instantly understand them according to osas. For example, when you see the words 'saved', you instantly see 'forever saved, no matter what'. But if you would stop doing that you'd see there are other ways to view verses in the Bible.

He's just giving Christ Credit for keeping Him Saved.
YOu dont, because you are lost in self righteousness.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

He's just giving Christ Credit for keeping Him Saved.
YOu dont, because you are lost in self righteousness.

All you have to do is show us where 'believing' is listed in the Bible as a self righteous work that can not save and you could end this discussion right now.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

He's just giving Christ Credit for keeping Him Saved.

So do I. It's called 'believing'. And last time I checked that's not a self righteous work of the works gospel. But if you have chapter and verse that says it is, bring it and we'll call this debate in your favor.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
In your other post you just claimed you are saved. And here you seem to argue agains that.

It just looks like I'm now saying I'm not saved because your view of salvation is prejudiced by osas thought. You look at words and instantly understand them according to osas. For example, when you see the word 'saved', you instantly see 'forever saved, no matter what'. But if you would stop doing that you'd see there are other ways to view verses in the Bible that are legit.

I just took your words. You said you are saved and you also say you cannot know if you are really saved or not. If you need to explain or clarify something there, by all means do so. I just took them as is.

It seems to me that you did not mean to say that you are saved forever when you said you are saved. Do you mean then you are saved only temporarily? Please explain then for clarity.

Also, you said you can’t know if you are really saved. Do you mean then that while you say you are saved (temporary or forever), you don’t know if you really are saved or not? Please explain then for clarity.

Tong
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[Ferris Bueller]

I just took your words. You said you are saved and you also say you cannot know of you are really saved or not. If you need to explain or clarify something there, by all means do so. I just took them as is.

I believe. I'm holding firmly to the gospel message in faith, therefore, I am saved.

you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. 1 Corinthians 15:2​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It seems to me that you did not mean to say that you are saved forever when you said you are saved. Do you mean then you are saved only temporarily? Please explain then for clarity.

The salvation I have does last forever. That's why I should continue to believe in it. It's worthy of my trust. The old covenant, not so much. That was a temporary salvation.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Also, you said you can’t know of you are really saved. Do you mean then that while you say you are saved (temporary or forever), you don’t know if you really are saved or not? Please explain then for clarity.

I know with certainty that I am saved right now. I'm still in the believing I started out in—same gospel, same Jesus—and I have a changed life to validate that claim.

 

[Tong2020]

All you have to do is show us where 'believing' is listed in the Bible as a self righteous work that can not save and you could end this discussion right now.

Why do you keep saying something that gives the impression that believing saves a person or something that gives the impression that there are self works that can or cannot save, when it is clear that salvation is the work of God and it is God who saves?

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
I just took your words. You said you are saved and you also say you cannot know of you are really saved or not. If you need to explain or clarify something there, by all means do so. I just took them as is.

I believe. I'm holding firmly to the gospel message in faith, therefore, I am saved.

you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. 1 Corinthians 15:2​

It’s clear that you believe. It’s clear that you hold firmly. It’s clear you are saved. Since you accused me of taking “saved” as forever, please clarify if what is the sense of “saved” when you say “I am saved.” Is that forever or not?

Also, are you sure you are really saved or not? Since you say you cannot know?

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
It seems to me that you did not mean to say that you are saved forever when you said you are saved. Do you mean then you are saved only temporarily? Please explain then for clarity.

The salvation I have does last forever. That's why I should continue to believe in it. It's worthy of my trust. The old covenant, not so much. That was a temporary salvation.

Your statements there seems to contradict each other. If your salvation last forever, and that is now, would that salvation change to be not forever, or would a salvation that last forever not actually last forever? Please clarify.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Also, you said you can’t know of you are really saved. Do you mean then that while you say you are saved (temporary or forever), you don’t know if you really are saved or not? Please explain then for clarity.

I know with certainty that I am saved right now. I'm still in the believing I started out in—same gospel, same Jesus—and I have a changed life to validate that claim.

So, when you said that you cannot know of you are really saved or not, you really meant yo can know, since you now say you know with certainty that you are saved? Be clear please.

Tong
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[justbyfaith]

Who are the “we” who have access to grace? Is it not those who are saved? Those who received faith and have faith? And who are those who have faith, but those who were made alive so that they see and hear?

We obviously have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:1-2).

So those who are made live, are made alive because of faith.

Faith comes first, by whom they have access into grace. So, grace comes after faith.

Now that is a strawman for as far as I know @Mark does not have such opinion. Further, I know not one in this board who has that opinion. Do you know any?

Yes, @Behold definitely holds to the false gospel that a man continues to be saved even if he falls away.

He may try to deny it now; for that it is such a ridiculous notion and therefore he should be ashamed of himself for believing in it.

The good news, is that if you are not deceived, you can easliy understand that "Jesus's Goodness', is God's Blood Atonement.

Even if Jesus' goodness is God's blood atonement, it should be clear that the blood sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

This would indicate that there will be a change of attitude and behaviour when the blood is applied; and that such a change in attitude and behaviour will continue as long as the blood is applied.

So, it should be clear that "continuing in His goodness" means continuing in the goodness of God, in a practical way....for example, by obeying His word...but more specifically, by walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4) so that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in you.

 

[marks]

You are not considering the concept that the verse in question may not apply to you.

As @Truther might say, you could be robbing the saints of their mail.

That's a question we each have to answer for ourselves. Do we really know God? Are we truly born again?

You say I'm not considering this concept. Why do you assume that of me?

This of course will trigger the same divide . . . how do you know . . . because He's changed who you are, and you have His presence in you? Or because you look at your life and think you are living good enough?

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

That's a question we each have to answer for ourselves. Do we really know God? Are we truly born again?

You say I'm not considering this concept. Why do you assume that of me?

This of course will trigger the same divide . . . how do you know . . . because He's changed who you are, and you have His presence in you? Or because you look at your life and think you are living good enough?

Much love!

It has to do with working out your salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12)...

which means,

Giving diligence to make your calling and election sure (2 Peter 1:10).

Examine yourself to see whether you are a genuine believer (2 Corinthians 13:5).

 

[marks]

You are not the only one we are dealing with on these boards. There are those who actually purport the doctrine that a person can stop believing and still be saved. If your statements seem to support that doctrine, we will address them as such.

Meaning . . . you will treat my words as if they say something I'm not saying, even when I'm telling you that's not what I'm saying.

Sure thing!

That's pretty much a conversation killer in my book.

"Well, I think you could sound like you are saying something else. So rather than respond to what you ARE saying, I'll respond AS IF you were saying something different."

That's not going to go anywhere. And if that's what you've been doing, then that goes a long way towards explaining some things.

Much love!

 

[marks]

In your other post you just claimed you are saved. And here you seem to argue agains that.

Anyway, it is clear that while you are saved, you are not really sure that you are truly saved. That just shows what faith it is you have. Let me share to you what scriptures says about the faith spoken of those who are saved.

This is what I've noticed about Ferris, he writes both ways. As if he knows, but that he can't know. Word salad!

Like you said . . . we have certainty or uncertainty. But the double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

Meaning . . . you will treat my words as if they say something I'm not saying, even when I'm telling you that's not what I'm saying.

Sure thing!

That's pretty much a conversation killer in my book.

"Well, I think you could sound like you are saying something else. So rather than respond to what you ARE saying, I'll respond AS IF you were saying something different."

That's not going to go anywhere. And if that's what you've been doing, then that goes a long way towards explaining some things.

Much love!

Again, you are not the only one that we are dealing with on these boards.

What we are dealing with, more accurately, is not with people but with doctrines.

So, if someone says something that supports a false doctrine, in dealing with the false doctrine, we will speak to the argument as it applies to that false doctrine; even if the person making that argument does not personally go the whole way and conclude the false doctrine that he is supporting with his statements.