Wrangler
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That’s with regards fruit beating. It’s pruning.
Tong
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Do you hear yourself? If you do not produce fruit, you will be cut from the vine. This means nothing to you!
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That’s with regards fruit beating. It’s pruning.
Tong
2716
The doublemindedness I'm speaking of is that which says, "I know I'm saved, but maybe I won't be."
Did you do the homework on the Perfect tense like I asked you to?No. Give your exegesis of the passage. Not just how your doctrines lead you to read it. OR, the doctrines you are anti.
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You assert this can be read in different ways. I assert the text allows only one of those ways.
We have become partakers of Christ if. There is a state of being we either are, or are not, and this state of being is known by what comes next, that is, if we hold our confidence stedfast to the end.
If you hold your confidence stedfast to the end, this means that you have become a partaker in Christ, If you do not, you did not.
The perfect tense just sweetens the pie.
Ignore it if you must. Ignore everything else, and just read this verse for what it is.
Don't insert things it does not say.
Much love!
Which, by the way, is a good use of the Perfect tense. Very good.Discernment. Are you truly unable to differentiate between NOW and LATER?
I know I do not have Covid (NOW) but maybe I’ll get it (LATER)?
Well gee . . . this is now . . . This is later . . . this is later still.Discernment. Are you truly unable to differentiate between NOW and LATER?
I know I do not have Covid (NOW) but maybe I’ll get it (LATER)?
It's everything! That's why we are told to cling to it in faith.....How important is it to have this hope?
1 John 3:1-3 KJVIt's everything! That's why we are told to cling to it in faith.....
No one who are in a state of death, rendered dead to God, could see nor hear, more so could have faith, unless they be first made alive.
Not in my understanding of his posts.
Yes, I have this hope. I have this hope because I believe. The promises are addressed to believers. And so I am holding unswervingly to this hope, in faith, just as the Bible tells us to do.1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Can you say that you KNOW that when He shall appear, that you will be like Him?
Now we are the sons of God. We know that when He shall appear, we shall be like Him.
Do you have this knowledge?
I don't see how, as you don't know whether you will be saved.
Much love!
post 2661.....Not mine either.
However, if you lose faith, fall away, etc........and you were born again before you did, you are just as saved as the Blood Of Jesus has the power to cleanse you of all sin, including those, and all others..
See, sin was dealt with by God on the Cross, and you denying it, wont change it for me, or for any real believer.
Once you are born again, you are always born again, and how you think or believe, later, has no effect on the NEW BIRTH.
Not mine either.
Much love!
I already went over Hebrews 3:14. And I know you read it because I think you replied to it. I'm the one that can acknowledge that a person can read it more than one way. I explained what the failure of the osas way of looking at it is. It only makes sense from the anti-osas view.
I'm not talking about the American English version of hope, a wistful, O, I so hope this is true!Yes, I have this hope. I have this hope because I believe. The promises are addressed to believers. And so I am holding unswervingly to this hope, in faith, just as the Bible tells us to do.
I do expect to see him and become as he is....because I believe in the promise of that hope, just like you.↓↓↓↓If you don't know whether or not you will see Him and become like Him, that doesn't qualify for how the Bible uses "hope".
Because this is such a great and sure hope, and only believers have it, we are exhorted to keep believing in it....We are promised resurrection, we believe His promise, so we have the certain expectation of resurrection. We have the hope of the resurrection. There's the Biblical usage.
I do expect to see him and become as he is....because I believe in the promise of that hope, just like you.
What behold said , is highly dangerous stuff .post 2661.....
No I have not. I’ll take your word for it.This thread is rife with logical fallacies!
Have you ever gone through a thread and actually catalogued all the logical fallacies? I started doing that once, I picked a few threads to look at, but quickly realized there are just SO MANY, particularly in certain ones, like this one.
Much love!