Freedom To Sin

[Waiting on him]

This does make sense to me, and you've said something like this before. I'm still thinking on this, but it does make sense to me.

Where there is no law, there is no transgression.

Much love!

It’s like His spirit bears witness to mine and His overwhelms and overcomes.

 

[marks]

Christ died on the cross for past, present and future sins. Otherwise, your nailing him to the cross again and again and again.

Agreed!

Colossians 2:14 HCSB

He erased the certificate of debt, with its obligations, that was against us and opposed to us, and has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the cross.

Else how many times does it get blotted out?

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

Nor do I.
Titus 1:2

God chose us before the foundation,creation, of the world. Hence the identity afforded that, "Elect of God."

God being sovereign, he cannot deny himself.
We can fall away, stumble, whatever, but God is eternal. And he died to insure the Elect eternal life in him.

He knows all things eternally. I believe when he Elected us to eternal salvation, wrote our names in his book of life, he did so because he knew us before the beginning. John 10:27
God cannot deny himself.

When he chose us before creating the world, I do not believe there to be anything we think we can do that would cause him to revoke the promise.
God is not a man that he should lie. Hallelujah, Lord God almighty.

One foundation being laid at Calvary.
Amen?

you can also read about it in Job.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Amen! Not a man that He should lie! In Him is no darkness at all! Neither shadow of turning!

I love the place in Malachi, He says, "I YHWH change not, therefore you, O Jacob, are not consumed!"

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 KJV
30) But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31) That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

He is our righteousness, and He doesn't change!

Much love!

Amen. Our father is awesome God.
Much love.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Someone came up with the term, "Lucky Repentance", I think it fits pretty good. This idea that you have to obtain new forgiveness for recent sins. The hope then is that you are fortunate to die between confessing and repenting, and your next sin, and not before you have the chance to repent/confess your latest sin.

Thinking you have to conform to a standard in order to continue as God's child is subjecting your self to a self-imposed law, and living under law inflames the passions of the flesh, making it a more prominent distraction, more internal pressure to sin that must be overcome.

However, when we realize we truly are free from Law and free from condemnation, the flesh gets real quiet like, as the Spirit overcomes.

Much love!

I've not heard of a practice like what you defined as "lucky repentance" . I think those who believe in that also need our prayers. That they find their way to the truth and the life that is Christ Jesus.

 

[Amazed@grace]

In the sense that we are reborn righteous children of God, I think this is the sanctification which is performed in our justification. We are recreated in God's pattern. But then comes renewing the mind, learning how to consistently think in the knowledge that sin is rendered powerless.

I've found all kinds of ways to try to address the sins of the flesh. Power of will, developing better habits, not putting myself in tempation's way, making commitments to God, "praying my way through it", that is, to endure the temptations or afflictions white-knuckling it as I a pray for help, and keeping my mind distracted.

What I've found that gives me freedom and victory in all cases, is that when I feel my peace slipping, my love failing, my confident hope dimishinging, I recall to mind,

God is here with me, He made me to live in His love, and will never leave me. He never condemns me, and will always always always continue His work in my life to make my outside reveal my inside. Which is exactly what I want, and we are in full cooperation.

This trust gives me instant victory, the just shall live by faith.

Much love!

Love,love, that testimony marks.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Christ died on the cross for past, present and future sins. Otherwise, your nailing him to the cross again and again and again.

As well, what you're saying means that if you die before repenting of new sins you go to hell.

John 1 is talking about those that were never saved, cults. Those that never came into the light and continued to walk in darkness.

True. There are a great many verses that reiterate we are saved eternally from our sins. No need to repent of them anew and over and over again.
And why would we? I think to do so would be like nailing Christ to the cross to pay for each sin repented of, again and again.

Here is one such verse. Hebrews 10:17

He will remember our sins no more.

 

[Enoch111]

So then if you forget to confess a sin, are you lost?

No. You are out of fellowship, as John made crystal clear. A child of God remains a child of God.

 

[Daniel Veler]

Marks there has been a lot of confusion when it comes to sin. Many believe today as they did in Christ’s time on earth that sin covered a spectrum of actions. Through human reasoning this error comes in. The Pharisees accused Christ as being a sinner. He violated the sabbath by plucking corn and healing on that day. They took the Law and gaged who was righteousness in the eyes of God and who weren’t. This is still happening today. In John Christ tells us that the Father was going to teach us what sin was because human reasoning has gotten it wrong. You see according to the Father sin is not putting your trust in Christ. He reproved the world meaning he would teach us what sin is. If you remember the Law was given to reveal their was no one righteousness. If you kept 9 out of 10 and violated one you were guilty of them all. Paul said the he was a wretched man. When he diaries to good evil was present. When he desired to do evil good was present. There was an inward battle for the Christians. Where as the lost don’t have this conflict. God knows as long as we have this fleshly body there will be conflict. Those saved will walk in the love of God. Whereas the lost doesn’t. Even as hard as we try we will commit sin. The command to love God with all your heart is violated when we talk about things that don’t pertain to God. We set in the evening to watch our favorite shows on TV we violate it. You see as long as we’re in this fleshly body we will continue to commit sins. The reason why Paul wrote those without chastisements are bastards and are not the children of God. Now we’re did he get this information. He got it from Psalm. It is written that the dynasty of Christ, his church would recieve forgiveness. And if they should violate God’s commands he would chastise them and would not withdrawal his grace from them. A child of God is forgiven by their trust in Christ. But a Christian will try their best not to sin. If they do they will be chastised. Salvation does not give you a license to sin. Christ said why call me Lord if you don’t do my Will. Those that love me do my will. Many will stand before the Lord saying I have cast out devils in your name. I have done many wonderful works in your name. But he will say to them, depart from me I never knew you. To know Christ is eternal life. Through human reasoning many have distorted eternal life also. Many define it as to live forever. This is a great mystery. When you understand it you will know if you truly are a child of God.

thank you for your time.

 

[Pearl]

What I mostly want to talk about is this idea that believing we are completely and permanently forgiven of all sin past present future somehow releases us into a cesspool of sinning.

I don't see that.

I don't see it that way either @marks. Our sin has been forgiven and we have the life of Jesus within us so why would we even want to do sinful things. Our hearts desire should be to be pleasing to him in all we do, say or think. Sadly though our old self gets the upper hand and we do things we are later ashamed of and recognise as sin. But he is still there and will wash our grubby feet so that once again we can be and feel clean.

 

[Brakelite]

Someone came up with the term, "Lucky Repentance", I think it fits pretty good. This idea that you have to obtain new forgiveness for recent sins. The hope then is that you are fortunate to die between confessing and repenting, and your next sin, and not before you have the chance to repent/confess your latest sin.

Thinking you have to conform to a standard in order to continue as God's child is subjecting your self to a self-imposed law, and living under law inflames the passions of the flesh, making it a more prominent distraction, more internal pressure to sin that must be overcome.

However, when we realize we truly are free from Law and free from condemnation, the flesh gets real quiet like, as the Spirit overcomes.

Much love!

"Lucky repentance" is only dangerous if you think of it as a one off event. Repentance that leads to salvation is a lifestyle of faith and submission to the providence and grace of God as He daily cleanses and sanctifies. Sanctification takes a lifetime. And should we get skittled by a bus with unconfessed but also unknown sin, (we can't confess and repent of that we are unaware of) were are judged by our heart, not by our performance. If however we are aware of a practice that is sinful, but are not actively addressing it, not wanting that practice gone, and are reluctant to recognize it as either harmful or offensive, despite the holy Spirit reminding us, despite the scriptures identifying it, then I think we are in trouble. Repentance isn't a one off prayer today confesses a sin then matches on till the next time we are convinced of sin. Repentance I believe is a mindset of faith and trust and a desire for righteousness. A hunger and thirst for it. On that basis, the promise of becoming righteous is met.

 

[Truman]

 

[charity]

@Amazed@grace said:-
Titus 1:2
God chose us before the foundation, creation, of the world. Hence the identity afforded that, "Elect of God."

God being sovereign, he cannot deny himself.
We can fall away, stumble, whatever, but God is eternal. And he died to insure the Elect eternal life in him.

He knows all things eternally. I believe when he Elected us to eternal salvation, wrote our names in his book of life, he did so because he knew us before the beginning. John 10:27
God cannot deny himself.

When he chose us before creating the world, I do not believe there to be anything we think we can do that would cause him to revoke the promise.
God is not a man that he should lie. - Hallelujah, Lord God almighty.

This is rank heresy from head to toe. He did not choose who would be saved before the foundation of the world. As I told you, the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world. Two entirely different things.

And as for the notion that since God "chose" us from the foundation of the world for salvation we are presumably saved regardless of whether we engage in sin or not, that is a damnable teaching sister, and it will send souls to Hell if you teach it. I'm sorry for having to put it so bluntly, and you will likely not answer me yet again, but when we are dealing with the salvation or damnation of men, the kid gloves have to come off.

Hello @Amazed@grace & @Hidden In Him,

The charge of 'Heresy' is a solemn one, and therefore I wish to stand in the gap and ask that you both come to an understanding on this. For I fear that either Amazed@grace has not expressed herself well, or @HiddeninHim is interpreting her words on the basis of a misunderstanding.

Amazed@grace quoted Titus 1:2, and John 10:27 so I looked them up, and will quote them within their context:-

'Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ,
according to the faith of God's elect,
and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
But hath in due times manifested His word through preaching,
which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
To Titus, mine own son after the common faith:
Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.'
(Titus 1:1-4)

'My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand.
My Father, which gave them Me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand.'
(Joh 10:27-28)

* The Scriptures refer to a time 'before the foundation of the world' ( John 17:24; 1 Peter 1:20; Ephesians 1:4 ) and also to a time 'since (from) the foundation of the world' ( Matthew 13:35; Matthew 25:34; Matthew 24:21; Luke 11:50; Acts 15:18; Ephesians 3:9; Hebrews 4:3; Hebrews 9:26; Revelation 3:8; Revelation 17:8 ) and it is good to mark these.

The word translated 'foundation' in Ephesians 1:4 is a different word meaning 'overthrow', and those spoken of in that verse as 'chosen' from before the foundation (ie., overthrow - Gr. 'katabole') of the world, are the members of the church which is His body, and the choosing was not unto initial salvation, but unto that particular 'Calling', which was uniquely different from what had existed before. Ephesians being addressed to the 'saints' and 'faithful' believers in Christ, and being the subject of the further revelation given to Paul following the laying aside of Israel as a nation in unbelief at the end of the Acts period.

Romans 8:27-30

With love
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Truman]

I died, He lives, and dwells inside of me
I am finally assured of eternity
He never left my side, not even when I died
He was with me in the dark...right by my side.

Faithful...is His name! - Truman Coates

I'm not saying that that if you haven't walked my walk, you are not the Lord's.
I'm just saying that I am assured in my heart that I am spending eternity with my Lord Jesus Messiah.

 

[Truman]

Hello @Amazed@grace & @Hidden In Him,

The charge of 'Heresy' is a solemn one, and therefore I wish to stand in the gap and ask that you both come to an understanding on this. For I fear that either Amazed@grace has not expressed herself well, or @HiddeninHim is interpreting her words on the basis of a misunderstanding.

Amazed@grace quoted Titus 1:2, and John 10:27 so I looked them up, and will quote them within their context:-

'Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ,
according to the faith of God's elect,
and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
But hath in due times manifested His word through preaching,
which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
To Titus, mine own son after the common faith:
Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.'
(Titus 1:1-4)

'My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand.
My Father, which gave them Me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand.'
(Joh 10:27-28)

* The Scriptures refer to a time 'before the foundation of the world' ( John 17:24; 1 Peter 1:20; Ephesians 1:4 ) and also to a time 'since (from) the foundation of the world' ( Matthew 13:35; Matthew 25:34; Luke 11:50; Hebrews 4:3; Hebrews 9:26; Revelation 3:8; Revelation 17:8 ) and it is good to mark these. The word translated 'foundation' in Ephesians 1:4 is a different word meaning 'overthrow', and those spoken of in that verse as 'chosen' from before the foundation (ie., overthrow - Gr. 'katabole') of the world, are the members of the church which is His body, and the choosing was not unto initial salvation, but unto that particular 'Calling', which was uniquely different from what had existed before. Ephesians being addressed to the 'saints' and 'faithful' believers in Christ, and being the subject of the further revelation given to Paul following the laying aside of Israel as a nation in unbelief at the end of the Acts period.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Blessed are the peacemakers...bless you, Charity.

 

[Nancy]

Someone came up with the term, "Lucky Repentance", I think it fits pretty good. This idea that you have to obtain new forgiveness for recent sins. The hope then is that you are fortunate to die between confessing and repenting, and your next sin, and not before you have the chance to repent/confess your latest sin.

Thinking you have to conform to a standard in order to continue as God's child is subjecting your self to a self-imposed law, and living under law inflames the passions of the flesh, making it a more prominent distraction, more internal pressure to sin that must be overcome.

However, when we realize we truly are free from Law and free from condemnation, the flesh gets real quiet like, as the Spirit overcomes.

Much love!

WORD!

 

[Hidden In Him]

'Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ,
according to the faith of God's elect,
and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began

Charity, I appreciate you trying to mediate here, but there are tremendous problems between A@g and I over her faith in Gnostic theology, which lays squarely behind her insistence upon the doctrine of predestined damnation of those not "chosen" from the foundation of the world.

As for the passage above, it flatly denies this theology. Yes they were God's elect, but if this referred to being "chosen" for salvation then there would have been no need to walk "in hope of eternal life," as he was saying. Their salvation would already be assured, and there be no need for walking "in hope" of it.

'My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand.
My Father, which gave them Me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand.'
(Joh 10:27-28)

This passage is more complex, but the context from previous verses was the difference between those who were listening to Him verses those who were not, asking for a direct profession from Him that He was the Messiah of the Jews (John 10:24). Those who had ears to hear knew He had already said as much and believed Him because they were His sheep and were listening to His voice, and because of this they were following Him. And because they were following Him, He was giving them (present tense) eternal life through the words He was speaking.

This is the meaning of the passage, and neither speaks of the predestination of anyone to either Heaven or Hell. This is heretical teaching, and if Amazed@grace wishes to respond she is welcome to, but I am well aware of what she - up to this moment anyway - teaches, and there is no misunderstanding between us whatsoever.

I appreciate your trying to mediate, however.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Blessed are the peacemakers...bless you, Charity.

Prayer, my brother. Prayer, Lol.

Scripture says He did not come to bring peace but a sword, and at the moment you can take one look at my avatar and you'll know where I'm at. Wanting unity between the "brethren" is a good thing, but understand: Those who are set for the defense of the gospel do not bear the sword in vain.

Blessings,
- H

 

[Truman]

Truth is good...the bond of the Spirit is better! Shalom.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Truth is good...the bond of the Spirit is better! Shalom.

Not sure there is any "bond of the Spirit" when one person's teaching endorses the Holy Spirit and another's endorses a demonic spirit bent on deception and deceit. Maybe you should look at the following thread and tell me your thoughts. These are the differences between Amazed@grace and I, and right now they are great.

Blessings,
The Evils Of Gnosticism, Part 1