Tares Reveal Themselves by what they DON’T Say...And They Are With us Here .How to Identify Them...

[HisLife]

There was another called "deceiver"...

Mat 27:63, Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

What was the truth about Him?

Isa 53:9, And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

What did Paul say about this particular problem?

Rom 15:3, For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.

2Co 6:8, By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;

It's easy to find verses with the word deceiver in them, But Context isn't your thing is it, never has been

But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

When you throw verses around and your reason was there was another deceiver that's a bit weird you can only talk about yourself right?

 

[justbyfaith]

..Because Of these things , I no longer “ live like the Devil”..

So, you don't commit sin?

The Bible says,

1Jo 3:8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I believe that you testified elsewhere that you "sin every day" and that you "have thoughts that would shame hell."

So, you have lied here again.

But it is true that I need to stop behaving as you and @HisLife, and begin again to only take a defensive posture rather than taking the offensive against you.

 

[justbyfaith]

It's easy to find verses with the word deceiver in them,

With Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible,

I found a total of 5 verses with the word deceiver; and 3 more with the word "deceivers".

The verses that I did bring up were brought to my remembrance by the Holy Ghost; even as it is written in John 14:26.

But I wouldn't be surprised if you said that the devil brought them to my remembrance; because you have already started down that path; so why wouldn't you keep walking down it?

When you throw verses around and your reason was there was another deceiver that's a bit weird

You're calling Jesus a deceiver too, now?

I did not say there was another deceiver; I said that there was another who was called a deceiver; the same One who said that He would rise again in three days.

Were you not paying attention to the scriptures I was quoting?

Surely you are a better student than that!

 

[HisLife]

Were you not paying attention to the scriptures I was quoting?

To be honest no You throw so many verses out of context I don't read your verses, the format of the site makes that easy, I read what you say and skip them because I know what Scripture says, I know what God says, thats Why I am saying look at your words, You don't do the same to me you just hide behind out of context scripture, That's the problem we are having, you accuse by throwing scripture like your trying to wave a sword when you cant, I try to see what your saying and what is your heart, you don't like that you try and cover it up because you need to

 

[justbyfaith]

To be honest no You throw so many verses out of context I don't read your verses, the format of the site makes that easy, I read what you say and skip them because I know what Scripture says, I know what God says, thats Why I am saying look at your words, You don't do the same to me you just hide behind out of context scripture, That's the problem we are having, you accuse by throwing scripture like your trying to wave a sword when you cant, I try to see what your saying and what is your heart, you don't like that you try and cover it up because you need to

If you don't read the scriptures that I post you are not going to get the full message of what I am saying.

That is unfortunate; and may even result in your total demise when all is said and done.

I do not relish in that knowledge; I actually fear for you.

 

[HisLife]

If you don't read the scriptures that I post you are not going to get the full message of what I am saying.

That is unfortunate; and may even result in your total demise when all is said and done.

I do not relish in that knowledge; I actually fear for you.

I have dealt with you heaps, like I said I know the verses I know what God says, And you think I'm missing out on what you have to say hahahah what a pretender. But I used to read the scripture you posted and learnt you have no context you don't understand the verses you use so now I skip your context because I also have learnt you are under a delusion so its a waste of time anyway, Your not going to understand the context, you cant

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I believe that you testified elsewhere that you "sin every day" and that you "have thoughts that would shame hell."

So, you have lied here again.

We are discussing “ living like the devil”.......If you have not helped out at the hospital or the soup kitchen or visited inmates in the local jails today whenever you had some spare time, you knew it was the right thing to do and yet you did not DO it! You SINNED ! Just like me.
Did you invite any strangers into your home to feed and clothe them this week....this month....this year? You sinned ! Just like me .....
Of course, you will NEVER own up to any “ impure” thoughts .....that is too much of a joke even to discuss....
The point of all of this is to show that even though we are ALL guilty of sins of omission or having ImPure thoughts in our minds at times.....that ain’t the same as “ living like the Devil” .....the Devil is “ Wicked” .....we are all sinners as long as we inhabit these Flesh Bodies .....God is at work Sanctifying us , Transforming us into the Image Of His Son and it does not happen overnight.....the Bible mentions “ stumbling “ .....it’s part if the journey....
Stumbling or even foolishly giving into temptations sometimes or even “ being caught up in sin” does not equate to being “ Evil” .....
I sin just like you do .....that does not mean that I “ live like the Devil” ..... I carry around something inside me that never sins, but unfortunately , it is in an Earthly Vessel.....we will know the final victory over sin......” over there”...... Nobody alive will accomplish what Paul Himself couldn’t do.....find Perfection in this lifetime.....

 

[justbyfaith]

@HisLife,

I know that I need to apologize to you for something I did a while ago.

I pulled a fast one on you and I don't even remember the exact details of what I did, but I am sorry for doing that to you.

I think it had something to do with something you said; and I deleted my message or something and then used that to win my argument with you at that point.

I don't expect you to forgive me; but I hope that you will accept my sincerest apology for doing that to you.

I believe that it is the reason why you have been acting this way towards me.

I believe that you have also brought your sin against me before the Lord and that He has given you the equivalent of forgiveness over the sin that you committed against me and the Spirit who resides within me.

I hope you will accept that I can be forgiven of the sin that I committed against you on the same basis that you are forgiven of your sins....through the precious blood of Jesus Christ.

I do think that you don't want to believe that I am redeemed by that blood because of the disparity between us.

But I really do place my trust in what Jesus did for me.

I will go so far as to say that my sin against you was not unintentional. I did it to win the argument.

So, I guess that according to my own theology, I am forever lost; because there remains no more sacrifice for sins for me but only a fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation that will devour the adversaries.

Oh well, you win some, you lose some.

But the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable, and He has given His love to me as a gift (according to Romans 5:5).

So then, even if I am condemned, I will continue to work to try to make sure that others will not be condemned in a similar manner. I will continue to preach the gospel as I know it to those who are in need; and if I perish in hell, at least I know that I delivered people from the same fate and I believe that may give me comfort in hell; even as the rich man would have been comforted if his five brothers would hear the true gospel and not have to go there too, where he was , suffering in the flames.

I do believe that my subjection to the mental health system qualifies me as being of the church of Smyrna in Revelation chapter 2; because there have been not a few occasions where I have been cast into a locked down situation for a total of ten days, in which I was re-conditioned to take my medicine and was faithful unto, even spiritual death. Therefore the Lord will give me a crown of life and if I perish in hell, at the very least I will not be hurt of the second death (Revelation 2:10-11, Ecclesiastes 8:5).

So, there you have it.

I'm sorry for what I did in my dealings with you. I hope you can accept my apology.

 

[justbyfaith]

...we are all sinners as long as we inhabit these Flesh Bodies ...

If that is the case, then I don't repent of what I did to @HisLife; because I cannot repent, since we cannot help but being sinners (and therefore repentance is impossible for everyone).

I will say to that, NOT!

I do repent; and I do believe that the Lord is able to even redeem us from all iniquity (Titus 2:14-15).

I'm not there yet; but I think that I am getting closer to that mark of the prize of the high calling of the Lord in Christ Jesus.

I think that even @HisLife now sees that it is a good thing to believe that we ought to repent of sinning; for I think that what I did hurt him deeply. Because he has acted like a wounded soul concerning me.

 

[justbyfaith]

I am such a fool (Hosea 9:7).

If @HisLife does not forgive me I have given him ammunition to continue his attacks against me by dredging up the past things that I have said. He can now bring up the fact that I have said that I believe that I am going to hell and my ministry may be ruined.

Nevertheless, I do believe that in apologizing to him, I have been obedient to Matthew 5:23-26.

I think that being obedient to the word even when it may hurt me must be good fruit.

Others may not be inclined to agree.

And I will continue on.

 

[kcnalp]

Of course they will call Him “ Lord” when they are standing in front of Him in all of His Glory.....there-can be no doubt at that time....However, at that time it will take no Faith....Unfortunately, they became True Believers after it was too late....They were never “ Born Again” and that is the basis for their Damnation.....

Again, why do OSASers just pick the parts of Scripture they like?
Matthew 7:21-22 (NKJV)
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

They certainly believed!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ferris i caught that one my friend .

I'm not sure they did, though.

 

[kcnalp]

Wow.....you “ REALLY” need to be told where “ Save to the Uttermost” is? What on earth are you doing in a Christian Forum debating the Bible when you are unaware of the basics of it? We are talking Christianity 101 here....

I'm here refuting the unBiblical doctrine of OSAS. Why are you preaching OSAS? I think you're trying to convince yourself.
Written to Christians:
Galatians 5:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

"Fallen from grace" means saved and then unsaved!

Accusing me of “ ignoring parts that I do not like” .....me or anybody else could accuse you of doing the same thing—— that dog won’t hunt.

Written to Christians:
Philippians 2:12 (NKJV)
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

You can’t answer the question for good reason...it would prove you Wrong.....in fact, it already has....

Here is the verse for you and other “poor students of the Word”...... do you need to have THAT verse pointed out also?

Hebrews 7:24...... “ Therefore, He is able to Save them to the “UTTERMOST” , they that come to God through Jesus, seeing how Jesus always lives to intercede for them....”

It is certainly true! To us who continue in the Faith.

Written to Christians:
Galatians 5:19-21 (NKJV)
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I have given him ammunition to continue his attacks against me by dredging up the past things that I have said. He can now bring up the fact that I have said that I believe that I am going to hell and my ministry may be ruined.

That's why I do not share my personal life in the forum. It's nobody's business but me and God's. You can't trust people on line with personal stuff, and you don't have to. Also, may I suggest you not talk about your spiritual gifts either. There's always someone to mock you for thinking you have such and such a gift. Christians in general are not nice people. How you are gifted to serve God is also something that is between you and God. You will be rewarded accordingly at the resurrection. Don't work for the praise or approval of people. Their standard of measurement is worldly.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If someone says they don't believe Jesus Died for there sins they need to be shown the Gospel

But you have been defending that doesn't matter if they have believed somewhere in the past, they are still saved. But instead what I see is the very people teaching this doctrine condemning unbelievers as having never been born again and not once extending the grace and mercy of God to them that they say the one who falls away in unbelief still has in Christ.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It got “ settled?” .....lol.....nobody told “ ME! “

Not to be “nosy” or anything , but.....who finally “ Won” this Centuries-Old Debate? Haha...

God won. He said all believers are secure in Christ, not unbelievers.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

They also are amazed at my knowledge of the Bible......That came from 40 years of listening to and learning from the best God- Chosen Preachers on the planet......some insist on being “ self- taught”, and man, does it show.....the Bible is a very dangerous Book ....Some “do -it -yourself” people just wind up with a brain full Of religious Mush.....they become Blind Guides.....

I had a pastor who was my father and mentor in the faith. But that was 30 years ago. I don't think Christians can be taught that way anymore. Given the times we're in, and the state of the church (in the United States), Christians who read their Bible for themselves have to rely on learning by fellowshipping with other believers who also read the Bible for themselves. The breakdown in leadership in the church is similar to how the leadership failed in ancient Israel, except now God's people have the Holy Spirit of discernment and are not left as sheep without a shepherd.

I myself am convinced, my brothers and sisters, that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with knowledge and competent to instruct one another. Romans 15:14
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That's the way it's always been and what God wanted (but which the church never did), but it's just that now we can't do that under the guidance of a pastor or elder because the leadership has become corrupt. It's pretty much every man for himself (and the Holy Spirit) now.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The only thing I know about Legalists for certain ( as I have stated many times) is that they are the ones “ Fallen from Grace”..... I have also stated ( many times) that some people think this means Damnation while others think it means a “ crippled” Walk Of Faith...... I lean toward the latter....According to Romans 10:9 if you truly Believe that Jesus is the Risen Lord—- you are Saved....One can be a Confused Legalist with weak Faith and Still believe that Jesus was “ God in the flesh” and “He rose from the Grave”

Why don't you give jbf the benefit of the doubt and be nicer to him?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Jesus said that “ if you will acknowledge Me before men—- I will acknowledge You before my Father”......so I think the Legalists have a chance....

You mean a chance to be lucky enough to repent before they die?

I'm making a point here, BB. If you want to be true to your own doctrine then you have to start treating those you think are legalists as your born again, but fallen, brothers and sisters and stop abusing them.

 

[Wynona]

I had a pastor who was my father and mentor in the faith. But that was 30 years ago. I don't think Christians can be taught that way anymore. Given the times we're in, and the state of the church (in the United States), Christians who read their Bible for themselves have to rely on learning by fellowshipping with other believers who also read the Bible for themselves. The breakdown in leadership in the church is similar to how the leadership failed in ancient Israel, except now God's people have the Holy Spirit of discernment and are not left as sheep without a shepherd.

I myself am convinced, my brothers and sisters, that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with knowledge and competent to instruct one another. Romans 15:14
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That's the way it's always been and what God wanted (but which the church never did), but it's just that now we can't do that under the guidance of a pastor or elder because the leadership has become corrupt. It's pretty much every man for himself (and the Holy Spirit) now.

I believe this too. I haven't been a member of a church for several years for this reason. I hope and pray that the ministry I visit today is different.