What do you think about gender equality in Christianity?

[Hidden In Him]

Two women endorsed and commended by Paul as co-laborers in the Gospel....Euodias and Syntyche.

Philippians 4:1-3 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹ Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved. ² I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord. ³ And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

Taking into account that Paul endorsed these women as ones who co-labored with him in the Gospel, this should behoove men to actually study and seek God's truth about why Paul seems to contradict himself. I guarantee, there is no contradiction. All of God's Word fits together perfectly.

Here. From three years ago. The post directly above it is good as well. If you wish to dialogue with me on this, address me according to what I teach. That is only the kind and proper thing to do, no? Certainly better than continually addressing a man as if he is teaching something he is not and never has, as I told you.

Looking for advice: Can women be pastors

 

[TLHKAJ]

Here. From three years ago. The post directly above it is good as well. If you wish to dialogue with me on this, address me according to what I teach. That is only the kind and proper thing to do, no? Certainly better than continually addressing a man as if he is teaching something he is not and never has, as I told you.

Looking for advice: Can women be pastors

I was addressing you according to your post in this thread.... not in another thread that was posted before I was a member.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I was addressing you according to your post in this thread.... not in another thread that was posted before I was a member.

Are we up to date on what I teach now? I have never changed my doctrine, not ONE IOTA.

 

[TLHKAJ]

 

[Truther]

@Truther


"Evidence"?

What have you learned from all the women in the NT?

There's your evidence.

All believers are ordained for ministry, we all have gifts for building up the Body.

Exactly as I thought. You haven't a single shred of N.T. scripture as evidence. Now you know how far removed we are from the original church of Acts. Everything we do is fake and anti-scripture these days.

 

[Truther]

I have no idea where you are reading me say anything about ignoring elders...

Do you believe/obey what this elder said?...

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Tone]

Exactly as I thought. You haven't a single shred of N.T. scripture as evidence. Now you know how far removed we are from the original church of Acts. Everything we do is fake and anti-scripture these days.

Speak for yourself.

Hmmmm let's see I gave you an assignment to look into every passage with a woman in the NT and learn something...

...sounds like you don't have a shred of motivation...

I've done my homework, you'd best believe that.

 

[Truther]

Speak for yourself.

Hmmmm let's see I gave you an assignment to look into every passage with a woman in the NT and learn something...

...sounds like you don't have a shred of motivation...

I've done my homework, you'd best believe that.

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


This is the one that stands out the most.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

When you start taking Scriptures out of context, you can expect nothing but spiritual confusion. You are taking this out of context.

you never came back to answer any of the post. Didn’t think you would. Still do not get your out of context. Would you have considered the ox taken out of context? 1 Timothy 5:17-18 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. [18] For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

 

[Tone]

Do you believe/obey what this elder said?...

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

And if they don't have a husband...or even a home?

Something I was taught is "context is king".

Why don't you first establish what a congregation is.

If you want to go deep...go deep...go to the Hebrew.

I believe that this sister breaks it down really well, and I'm pretty much in agreement with her teaching on the subject:

 

[Truther]

And if they don't have a husband...or even a home?

Something I was taught is "context is king".

Why don't you first establish what a congregation is.

If you want to go deep...go deep...go to the Hebrew.

I believe that this sister breaks it down really well, and I'm pretty much in agreement with her teaching on the subject:

So single women were an exception?...

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


....or all women?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

We ought to esteem with our head, not our heart.

“The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?
Jeremiah17:9

Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.


but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Would you say it is an unclean thing for a woman to be pastor over a church?

 

[Riverwalker]

Warning: Unpopular Opinion

Men and Women are equal in the sight of God, But God designed them to fill certain roles.
Men are the "Defenders, Providers" and women are the "caregivers and nurturers" but as these roles have become less crucial in todays high tech societies these lines and these roles are being blurred. And in my opinion that is not a good thing.
Men who are afraid to be men, torn down and castigated by society and the media, just for wanting to be man
Women who are looked down upon if they want to fulfill the traditional roles. Or who are frustrated because they are trying to be something they are not.
In the attempt to try and break through the glass ceiling we have forgotten the foundation. and I would say this has had a negative effect on our kids, who grow up with out a clear view of who they are, and what they should be. This may be what is behind all this gender confusion.

Men and Women are equal, but they are not the same. And as the French like to say Vive Le Differnce'

 

[Wrangler]

Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.


but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Would you say it is an unclean thing for a woman to be pastor over a church?

It's disgusting to me that you are equating unhealthy food with the worthiness of a female to pastor a church. I'm not even going to dignify this line of reasoning with a response.

 

[Wrangler]

Is an idiot of a husband who gambles and spends all the money on himself neglecting the family ( and this happens with monotonous regularity) really the better option, even in God's eyes, over a wife with experience in financial stewardship?

Equality goes against the word of God. Even in your question, you are presenting inequality as a given.

That your post lacks Scriptural support is seen in the fact that no Scripture was provided that is aligned with the maligning the man. I've long pointed out that Scripture is about Covenant relationships not Contractual relationships. Today's feminists want to put conditions on their burden to honor men, e.g., if he deserves respect. This is not the message in Ephesians 5.

 

[Wrangler]

Men and Women are equal, but they are not the same. And as the French like to say Vive Le Differnce'

No. Parsing equality and sameness is a rationalization. Men and women were made to complement not compete. It's a fools errand.


The greatest inequality is holding unequal things as equal.
Aristotle, 380 BC

 

[Wrangler]

Feminism didn't appear as rebels against God through marxist philosophy. Feminism appeared because husbands were being scoundrels, dictators, selfish, egoistical, self righteous, pompous authoritarian, despots.

Talk about man-hating. In the Spirit of Equality, do women possess in EQUAL MEASURE acting like scoundrels, dictators, selfish, egoistical, self righteous, pompous authoritarian, despots?

Wives in days gone by had no choice but to submit...

Where do you find in Scripture the choice to not submit?

 

[Tone]

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


This is the one that stands out the most.

Well, I'll tell you what, if you take the time to go through my posts...you'll see my stance, but it seems you are content with sounding like a broken record...

 

[Renniks]

When Jesus chose Mary of Magdalene as witness for His resurrection, it remains the same, in the past, present and future, it is what it is. When the anonymous writers of canonized gospel wrote the event of Jesus resurrection consistently, it remains the same, nothing to be added and revised, it is what it is.

The only thing that changed is human acceptance for Mary of Magdalene blessing role.

From Mary of Magdalene we can learn, gender equality is not related with theologian concept. Gender equality is not problem of God. Gender equality is purely problem of human.

Source: God and Woman on Mary of Magdalene

What is gender equality? We are not equal... we are supposed to be different. I can not give birth or nurture a child in the same way a woman can. God designed us this way.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It's disgusting to me that you are equating unhealthy food with the worthiness of a female to pastor a church. I'm not even going to dignify this line of reasoning with a response.

no. First of all I’ve no interest in being a pastor. I’m trying to understand this angst between above another and alike. I’ve been a housewife for thirty years. Agree roles have been blurred and have never denied I’m confused. You said it is disgusting comparing but Romans 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

What meat is that? I asked if you consider the teaching that a woman can pastor over a church as being unclean...and not of the new therefore needs to be purged? 1 Corinthians 5:7-8 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.