What do you think about gender equality in Christianity?

[Brakelite]

God has chosen Christ to be the head of the church. That role entails having the final authority in all things relating to Divine human relationships.

Without going into any thread dumping detail, I can think of one glaringly obvious example where the church refuses Christ's authority and usurps His authority in favor of itself.
And yet...

He does not use that authority to coerce, force, stand over, threaten and muscle people into submission.

Such grace however does not mean He has abdicated that authority in favor of the church. Continuing Revelation regarding such matters needs to be heeded. Continuing rebelliousness will reap the inevitable results.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Concerning gender equality in Christianity. Still have so many questions unanswered. Like one being if God made them male and female and called them Adam. What does God call: Christ and His (glorious) body if not “the second Adam”

If the first “male and female God made them” are one flesh. How was the first Adam made into the image of the earth? (As you have borne the image of the earthly, you shall also bear the image of the Heavenly). Then is the second Adam: Christ and His body being One Spirit not made in the image of the heavenly?

it matters to me concerning the topic of equality because in Adam the image is the earthly ...in Christ the image is of the Heavenly? How do they differ? Where in Christ and having put on the new man there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female but made One in His Spirit.

it matters because one man esteems one day above another yet one man esteems every day alike. Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

One above the other or alike, and who are we to judge 1 Corinthians 4:6-7 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. [7] For who maketh thee to differ from another ? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it ?

Psalm 139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

Question is which is right and which is wrong? To esteem one day above another?
Or to esteem every day alike?
Which do you say?
Because the perspective and diversity of “one day above another” or “every day alike” is like this topic...which is the held to perspective “one day above another” or “every day alike” ... it matters to me because regarding the topic of equality: is the view Adam or Christ?


I’ve been really considering this, hope you will too. What does God call: Christ and His (glorious) body if not “the second Adam” ...the image of the Heavenly, “I do a new thing” He said “a new creature”

 

[Wrangler]

Someone even asked for a verse to prove that husbands should submit to their wives.

There is no such verse. One verse says we should generally submit to fellow believers because we belong to Christ. This has nothing to do with hierarchical relationships.

The Bible delves into both, how one should treat believers and non-believers as well as treating one another in hierarchical relationships.

So, again there is no specific verse that says husbands should submit to their wives because that is not the hierarchical relationship endorsed in Scripture. The Bible recognizes 4 Earthly authorities: parents, priest, husband and civil authorities.

There are specific verses about how wives should submit to their husbands because that is the hierarchical relationship endorsed in the Bible.

Having said that, do I submit to my wife? Yes, all the time. But this not because of hierarchy but out of love for her first (in practice) and out of love for Christ (in theory, first).

What’s sad is how hard it is for women today to submit to men under any circumstances. Sometimes, I expect my wife to submit to me out of love. For instance, I’ve done what she wanted 5 weekends in a row. Now, it’s my turn.

Of course, the most offensive to the evil ideology of feminism is when I expect her to submit to me due to my God given authority. I reserve this right for weightier matters of morals and finance. But I do reserve the right.

God is a God of order and has a mechanism to resolve conflicts through hierarchy. The evil of ‘equality’ has no such mechanism and this is reflective in the >50% ‘no fault’ divorce rate.

 

[Truther]

Ha ha "new age"...I've noticed this trigger phrase thrown around here...along with some others...when someone says something outside of one's tiny fences.

It's as old as the many women leaders in the Bible...

What New Testament woman leader in the Bible taught the church?

 

[Enoch111]

Where in Christ and having put on the new man there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female but made One in His Spirit.

This was already addressed above. Within the Body of Christ there are no distinctions. AT THE SAME TIME God has given Christian men and women different roles in the home and in the local church, and made the man the head or authority over the woman. Therefore gender equality is an attempt by Satan to undermine what God says.

As to the observance of special holy days, that is a separate issue.

 

[Truther]

FYI, there's no NT scripture that allows anyone to usurp authority over anyone...

Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

The elders made and enforced the Apostles rules.

 

[Truther]

So you think, being a man, a woman has nothing she can teach you?

No, I think the Bible says for men to teach the congregation.

My wife lays the law around our house.:)

 

[Enoch111]

Such grace however does not mean He has abdicated that authority in favor of the church.

The term "head" is used for "authority over" in Scripture. And the Bible says that (1) God the Father is the Head of Christ, (2) Christ is the Head of the Church and the man, and (3) the man is the head of the woman. That should be sufficient.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

As to the observance of special holy days, that is a separate issue.

respectfully (Imo)disagree because it relates to what does one esteem and “let every man be persuaded in his own mind”

 

[Truther]

As @Tone mentioned earlier, the key word is "usurp" which is something no woman nor any person should do.

There are clear examples of women holding various offices in the church, including prophetess, deaconess, teachers, and pastors. God didn't condemn or prevent it. This being the case, it would be wise to rightly divide the Word. Take all of scripture together as a whole. Most pastors and other headship positions are held by men, but that doesn't negate the fact that God has placed women in those roles at times as well.

Are you speaking of the 1st century church of Acts or a different church?

I only know of a wife to an elder(Priscilla) and 4 daughters that prophesied, which is not teaching or usurping authority at all to a congregation.

I those days, they were silent and if they were unsure, asked their husbands at home.

New age concepts rejected the Bible today.

 

[Tone]

What New Testament woman leader in the Bible taught the church?

All of em...

 

[Tone]

All of em...

Especially His Mother.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The term "head" is used for "authority over" in Scripture. And the Bible says that (1) God the Father is the Head of Christ, (2) Christ is the Head of the Church and the man, and (3) the man is the head of the woman. That should be sufficient.

what woman was Paul the head of then...not married where the man is the glory of God, the woman the glory of the man?

What woman was Jesus Christ the head of?

 

[Enoch111]

respectfully (Imo)disagree because it relates to what does one esteem and “let every man be persuaded in his own mind”

When you start taking Scriptures out of context, you can expect nothing but spiritual confusion. You are taking this out of context.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

When you start taking Scriptures out of context, you can expect nothing but spiritual confusion. You are taking this out of context.

is it not important to consider what we esteem most in our heart?

 

[Tone]

Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

The elders made and enforced the Apostles rules.

Did you read the definition of "usurp"...it's to take that position illegally and/or by force.

The elders didn't take the position illegally and/or by force.

They were ordained.

There are woman in the Bible ordained for leadership.

 

[Enoch111]

what woman was Paul the head of then...not married where the man is the glory of God, the woman the glory of the man? What woman was Jesus Christ the head of?

We are not told about Paul's marriage, but given the fact that Jewish men and women were generally married at an early age, he may have been a widower. Indeed he makes reference to all the other apostles as being married, and that he too could be married. And Christ is the Head of the Church (all men and women).

 

[VictoryinJesus]

We are not told about Paul's marriage, but given the fact that Jewish men and women were generally married at an early age, he may have been a widower. Indeed he makes reference to all the other apostles as being married, and that he too could be married. And Christ is the Head of the Church (all men and women).

so you say Paul was possibly married before, maybe a widower?

ok, what about Jesus Christ
The man declares the glory of God, and the woman declares the glory of the man.
What woman?

 

[Tone]

I think the Bible says for men to teach the congregation.

Okay, so there is one position in church that you feel should be filled by an ordained man?

And that is..."head pastor"?

Are you speaking of the 1st century church of Acts or a different church?

I only know of a wife to an elder(Priscilla) and 4 daughters that prophesied, which is not teaching or usurping authority at all to a congregation.

I those days, they were silent and if they were unsure, asked their husbands at home.

New age concepts rejected the Bible today.

You keep using that word...

Once again, the NT does not condone anyone usurping power over anyone.

 

[Wrangler]

is it not important to consider what we esteem most in our heart?

We ought to esteem with our head, not our heart.

“The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?
Jeremiah17:9