I was thinking that if God suddenly appeared before me and told me to kill someone for no specified reason that I'd say "no" . Is that bad?
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Yes. God's judgement and wrath is just. He commanded people many times to kill.
However I think his tactics today have changed, the whole "submission to authorities" thing.
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Your statement is in error, God would not tell you to kill someone without having a reason. He would not need you to do it, He could Himself.
He said no SPECIFIED reason, IE, God doesn't tell you "why", he just says, "do".
Perhaps we may never understand why God does what he does but we can take comfort in the thought that he knows the beginning from the end and his ways and thoughts are higher than ours. [Isaiah 55:7-9]
During that period of time, God was forging a nation [Israel]. At that time, killing God's enemies was a necessity. He was preserving a line in which the Messiah was to be born and also fulfilling the promise made to Abraham saying:
Genesis 22
"17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”
This was a transitional period in history, where the enemy would have done anything in his power to pervert the plan of restoration that God had for mankind, which only can be found Yeshua Ha Mashiach
I agree, the Lord did not command anyone to kill...in fact he said:
Matthew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.
Blessings!
aspen
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Well radical Muslims would agree with you, TexUS. Don't ask questions submit to blowing up the airplane, right?
If someguy came on a public Christian forum and made one post with one question like that , yes , I would feel like killing him. Does that answer your question sir ??
And just think , I came up with that on my own, God did not have to suddenly appear in front of me. Any more questions ???
Still want to play sir ?? I can be at your door in three days. You decide.
However , if you have any more questions that need answered , many of us are here to help you.
Best regards in the choices you make. Your future depends on it.
I'm sorry I asked the question here but I needed to know what other Christians answers would be, for reasons I feel to threatened to explain. But all you answers were valueable to me and I thank you for sharing your thoughts. I will not post here again, that I promise.
I'm real sorry to hear that someguy! :mellow:
Let me just say this again...the Lord would not tell you to kill anyone because life is in the blood and it is precious in God's sight.
Before Israel became into the promised land, they had to destroy the surrounding tribes for reasons that I had stated in my OP. but that was entirely different from the position that we are in today.
Please be wise when dealing with what you are hearing...measure it up against the word of God. You can tell if something is from God by reading the bible. The word gives us an indication of his character. We get to know him just like we get to know a friend. It is out of character for him to tell you this.
I will be praying for you!
Blessings
Geeze, people, I think there was no way to take this other than hypothetically. And apparently more than one here are scared of answering it...
The question is... Would he do the same today?
I see no reason why he couldn't if he wanted. The 10 Commandments were about murder, right after them we start seeing exclusions for putting people to death JUSTLY (Again, God commanding to kill).
Murder vs Kill.
"Love your enemies" is a favorite of pacifists but the truth is it simply doesn't hold up in the context of the Bible- it does not apply to JUSTLY killing someone (Self defense, capital punishment, etc).
Today we must be careful. Satan can mask himself as an agent of the light... We must always go to the Bible and weigh what's said.
Does God command killing in the Bible? YES!
However- what's the purpose? In the NT he's established submission to authorities now... We're to follow our legal system.
What was the act? What's the Bible actually say about the act?
Etc, etc, etc.
Yes, he did.
The question is... Would he do the same today?
I see no reason why he couldn't if he wanted. The 10 Commandments were about murder, right after them we start seeing exclusions for putting people to death JUSTLY (Again, God commanding to kill).
Murder vs Kill.
"Love your enemies" is a favorite of pacifists but the truth is it simply doesn't hold up in the context of the Bible- it does not apply to JUSTLY killing someone (Self defense, capital punishment, etc).
Today we must be careful. Satan can mask himself as an agent of the light... We must always go to the Bible and weigh what's said.
Does God command killing in the Bible? YES!
However- what's the purpose? In the NT he's established submission to authorities now... We're to follow our legal system.
What was the act? What's the Bible actually say about the act?
Etc, etc, etc.
What the flying flip does blowing up a plane have to do with submission to authorities?
Reiterating my points above:
1. In the OT God gave orders for his people to destroy the surrounding tribes as he was forging a nation and fulfilling a promise made to Abraham Isaac and Jacob and their seed. [Those who believe in Jesus by faith].
2. Jesus our Messiah, did not tell anyone to kill in this way. He was the high priest of a new covenant. He took the power of the law [which was sin and death] and nailed it to the cross. [Hebrews 8:12-13]
3. The Lord [Jesus] did not kill anyone nor did he tell anyone to kill. In fact, he said:
Matthew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.
The OP was:
We are talking about a conscious decision to kill someone based on an angelic visitation.
PS: Jesus must be a pacifist then, because he was the one who said it. :huh:
Blessings!
1. In the OT God gave orders for his people to destroy the surrounding tribes as he was forging a nation and fulfilling a promise made to Abraham Isaac and Jacob and their seed. [Those who believe in Jesus by faith].
2. Jesus our Messiah, did not tell anyone to kill in this way. He was the high priest of a new covenant. He took the power of the law [which was sin and death] and nailed it to the cross. [Hebrews 8:12-13]
3. The Lord [Jesus] did not kill anyone nor did he tell anyone to kill. In fact, he said:
Matthew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.
The OP was:
We are talking about a conscious decision to kill someone based on an angelic visitation.
PS: Jesus must be a pacifist then, because he was the one who said it. :huh:
Blessings!
According to one of the Apocryphal books he did. I realize this is an uninspired and probably false story. However my point with this, is the early church that lived and walked with Christ, and this idea was not universally unheard of or it would not have been kept and passed on by so many. If Christ was such a pacifist you'd never see this story getting passed along by anyone as it'd be blatantly inaccurate. Need I bring up the story in the temple? Need I bring up in Revelation when he speaks death to those who oppose him?
What about God commanding Abraham to kill his son?
What about God commanding homosexuals to be killed?
False prophets?
Your version of god is not the Biblical God.
Yes and I can't think of any circumstance when God would command someone to kill however, we haven't heard the circumstance, so who's to say?
"God doesn't kill people" is just ignorance and that's all I was addressing.
The OP was:
Did Jesus kill anyone in the temple? did he allow Peter cut the guards ear off and not reprove him?
You are referring to God Almighty [the Father] from the OT and Jesus our savior and redeemer.[His Son]
Do not bait me TexUs...You are not the Lord and have no right to tell me that my version of God is unbiblical. It is clear that you have not understood the new covenant..
Matthew 22
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Love does not harm their neighbor...
1 Corinthians 13
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails.
If you continue to address my posts in this manner...I will ignore you! :huh:
Blessings!!!
Did Jesus kill anyone in the temple? did he allow Peter cut the guards ear off and not reprove him?
You are referring to God Almighty [the Father] from the OT and Jesus our savior and redeemer.[His Son]
Do not bait me TexUs...You are not the Lord and have no right to tell me that my version of God is unbiblical. It is clear that you have not understood the new covenant..
Matthew 22
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Love does not harm their neighbor...
1 Corinthians 13
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails.
If you continue to address my posts in this manner...I will ignore you! :huh:
Blessings!!!
God is not going to tell a Christian to kill anyone. The Devil? Yes, he would definitely tell us to kill others. Here is what God told us to do:
Luke 6:27-28 (NKJV)
[sup]27 [/sup]"But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, [sup]28 [/sup]bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you.
Luke 6:27-28 (NKJV)
[sup]27 [/sup]"But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, [sup]28 [/sup]bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you.
Ahhh, so since JESUS didn't give a command to kill, that invalidates it when the FATHER did so.
Is the Godhead at odds? Or are you wrong?
Is the Godhead at odds? Or are you wrong?
Robbie
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You don't have to worry about that... the fullness of the Revelation of God's Word came when He was manifested in the flesh and He already told us what to do... Love one another... even our enemies... so no worries... the Son of Man came to save men's lives... not destroy them... if any darkness came to you disguised as God with a different message than Christ reject them... the Lord already told us what to do... LOVE!!!
Be blessed...
Be blessed...
Was it bad to kill Hitler? Or loving to the Jews he was killing?
Is it bad to kill an intruder? Or loving to your family?
Is it bad to kill an intruder? Or loving to your family?
The NT teaches non-resistance.
Matthew 5:39 (NKJV)
[sup]39 [/sup]But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Hebrews 13:6 (NKJV)
[sup]6 [/sup]So we may boldly say: "The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?"
Answer my question. Is the godhead at odds, has God changed?
Also please answer these. Posting the passage in Hebrews is evasion.
Was it bad to kill Hitler? Or loving to the Jews he was killing?
Is it bad to kill an intruder? Or loving to your family?
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