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I didn't think it was interesting. At all. It reminded me of one of those posts from the little red birdie about the rapture being soon. Didn't you say something like: "How is this not spam?

It's like the first point is a Middle East plan to allow a temple to be rebuilt. I wouldn't burn up too much daylight waiting for that.

Like the post is a C and P, or a video link, and then the guy never comes back to talk about it.

But you're right, a good watchman watches in all directions.

And the mood is dire on some of the other forums i look at.

Even the West Texas Intermediate guys are disillusioned.

Oil is going up, but the producers of the product are not going up.

The financial community is looking at the global Covid chart.

And they see trouble on the rise.

SAGE wrote a note about a possible new and deadly variant that could kill 1 in 3.

The CDC page about the "shielding approach", where high-risk individuals would be temporarily relocated to safe or “green zones”.

Biden wanting to mandate vaccinations.

When, or if, this new deadly wave begins, about a third of the population will be removed from their residences during a time of extreme emergency.

Whoever has ears, let them hear.

“If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.

If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”​

Two birdies will be killed with one stone: central bank debt, and the housing crisis.

But wait, we have guns!

So did David Koresh.

They have bigger ones.

He will divide the land for a price.

Those who acknowledge him he shall load with honor.

He shall make them rulers over many and shall divide the land for a price. ...​

I say there will not be a crash yet.

Because people are going to be planting and sewing and buying and selling right up until the flood comes and takes them all away.

They won't have a heads up on a stock chart.

The central banks will keep the market pumped up right until like the very day that Lot left out from Sodom.

Look at what the stock guy said yesterday:

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1984 Is Here - Despite A 99.99% Survival Rate

Sydney, Australia has brought in the military to enforce lockdowns.

US talking about fresh lockdowns.

Market getting ready for sell-off I think in the first half of August or sooner... place your bets!!

Anyone who thinks governments around the world are not directly or indirectly forcing vaccines are blinded by their own ignorance. Remember the virus has a 99.99% survival rate.

There is a take -over happening. The people of the earth have exchanged the truth for a lie. And you will not buy or sell lest you partake of that lie.

Masks now required for both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Pfizer suggesting a third shot (so much for vaccines giving you your life back).

Two weeks to slow the spread so hospitals arn't overwhelmed turned into no one can have the virus....

I'm getting ready to sell my profitable positions in BTE and will have to continue to wait to sell the rest.

1984 Is Here - Despite A 99.99% Survival Rate

Peaceful Sabbath.
The prophesied Falling Away consists of those who claim a theology of Reformism/Calvinism, thereby denying Free Grace. They are devoid of hope unto the World even as they claim to serve one who is self identified as The God of Hope.
 

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Do you think there could be some cross over in these time periods? For example, we see 1,260 appearing more than once…would you suggest the things happening during this time period could happen together or do you think they must happen separately as you’ve listed them?

I think crossover and overlap is seen in the prophetic time periods. But not the way that you are probably thinking of.

When I post this:

538<-------1260------->1798

Or this:

<----1260---->
<-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512
<------1335------> 0.966292134831461
<-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845


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It probably makes you think of this:

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To everyone else reading, Naomi is probably thinking of William Hendrickson’s interpretive approach to Revelation (perhaps not originating with him) called “progressive parallelism”. I can know that this is an erroneous teaching of the Amils right off the bat. Because I know that the Dragon does not chase the Woman though the time of the 7 vials. During the vials, the Dragon and his people are no longer in any position the chase the Woman. They have already called on the rocks and the mountains to:

"Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!​

But there is crossover and overlap in the prophetic time periods, like the 1260 years of Revelation 12 occurring within the larger 2300 year time period, the two witnesses 1260 days running out prior to the beast's 42 months, and Daniel's 70 weeks being cut off, "chathak", from the larger 2300 year time span.

To be fair, I used to be fairly straight up Amil. Still lean that way in a lot of things, I suppose. But over the last year I think I’ve become…disenchanted with all end times systems, in a way. Most of them, while having their good points, have their flaws as well. Which is why I think its unwise for people to claim dogmatically that their system is absolutely, factually, true. Well…actually, factually….that other system just picked it to pieces, biblically. And they, in turn, had that point of theirs picked to pieces, biblically.
Anyway…I try to have an open mind on the matter, but if I can’t see it in scripture, I’m not going to swallow it, or the ‘system’.

Agreed. We have to keep an open mind. I don't think any of the churches or theologies is all correct now.

Yes…Daniel. It’s amazing how many systems rest on the interpretation of Daniel. And you know…I’m not sure I’ve heard an exposit on it that satisfies me yet. Oh, I’ve heard how people shuffle it to fit in with how they need it to be. But I’ve always felt that to be an artificial rendering of the text. All the explanations come from outside the text in order to justify a reading, and that, to me, is not on. The text itself should, in large part, explain or point to, our understanding or interpretation of it.

I don't think so. Sorry.

Maybe what you say will easily work with the doctrines of salvation, but not with the end time prophecy.

In the eschatological scriptures, we also have prophetic time periods. I'm not going to put it in this thread, but show me where the 1290 days are on the date to date calculator, and I will show you with authority what the Abomination is, AND what and where the holy place is that it is standing in right now. It's a lock fit. Better than gold money in the bank. And it dovetails in confirmation with the rest of the materials in this thread. Right in January.

I’m not entirely following you here, I am sorry. How do you mean ‘there are two last weeks’? Where do you find that in scripture? What makes you focus on the Ottomans an the 1969 war, rather than King Cyrus’ decree as most scholars do?
Thanks

It's what Newton said. The numbers match. It's there. Newton knew about 1535. Newton would have known to be watching for 1969. Isaac would have loved to see one of our days, and I think he will, the last day.

Again, because of the timing of the setting of these stones, their screams are reaching crescendo now.

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I say we are much closer to the actual second coming of Messiah than the vast majority recognizes.

That’s you? That is seriously cool. I mean…it must have been a really hard, stressful time, and I admire any who stood firm in it and through it. But surely you must look back at it and say ‘I made history, right there’. Perhaps even fulfilled prophecy. Not many people can say one, let alone the other. And has the “pics to prove it”!

:)

I fully admit I am terrible at maths. Couldn’t ‘maths’ my way out of a paper bag if my life depended upon it.
However…I didn’t understand a word of that…and I’m not entirely sure it was because I’m terrible at maths.

Me neither.

But I can punch my way out of a wet paper bag with a calculator.

"Measure carefully the time in your mind.

I wonder, should we let this thread drift away?

Until the Rapture come?

These guys are from the GTA, Toronto or Hamilton I think.

Enjoy.

Old man Jonah sittin' in his chair got no teeth and he got no hair
Got no daughter and he got no son he's just waitin' 'till the rapture come
Waitin' 'till the rapture come

He never did marry and he never went far never bought a house or a big ole car
But he ain't no beggar and he sure ain't dumb he's just waitin' 'till the rapture come
Waitin' 'till the rapture come

And when the rapture come the Lord's gonna call his name
(When the rapture come) Jonah's gonna put down his cane
(When the rapture come) Heaven's gonna take him away
But until that day…

Old man Jonah's got an old brass horn had it since the day that he was reborn
But he ain't gonna blow for just anyone he's gonna wait 'till the rapture come
Waitin' 'till the rapture come

Preacher come a-walkin' down that country mile said 'hey Jonah, know it's been a while'
But Jonah keep his eyes on the settin' sun he's just waitin' 'till the rapture come
Waitin' 'till the rapture come
Waitin' 'till the rapture come


Peaceful Sabbath.
 

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Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Sorry man, the 70 weeks are 70 heptads, 70 weeks of years.

Are you Bobby posting under a sock account??

You're right, Daniel said he went on a fast for three weeks, that HAS to be literal time, because it goes without saying. That couldn't be a 21 year fast, right?

But as soon as Gabriel said to Daniel 70 weeks are determined, Daniel knew right away what Gabriel was talking about. 62 and 7 weeks out of the Jubilee Calendar. These are heptads, sevens, seven weeks of years. You are to count for yourself 7 weeks of years.

"And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and there shall be unto thee the days of seven sabbaths of years, even forty and nine years. Then shalt thou send abroad the loud trumpet on the tenth day of the seventh month; in the day of atonement shall ye send abroad the trumpet throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.​

70 weeks of years are 490 years. 10 cycles of Jubilee:

49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49 = 490 years.

(The 50th year also becomes year 1 for the next Jubilee cycle)

Since the Exodus in 1437 BC, there were three sets of 70 weeks reaching to the end of Daniels 70 weeks in 34AD.

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It all works out from the Artaxerxes decree in 457BC, until Jesus announced in 27AD that the "time" is fulfilled early in Mark. The time fulfilled was the 62 and 7 weeks. Jesus read from the Isaiah 61 scroll declaring the favourable "year" of the Lord in 27AD. On April 7, 30AD He died in the middle of that week putting an end to sacrifice and confirming a covenant with many in the middle of the "week'.

I can be very very confident that this is true. You can easily eyeball the Passover count, even from the online timeanddate calendars on that year, the very year when Jesus told His disciples: "I have desired to eat this Passover with you.

"Jesus said, “I have been very eager to eat this Passover meal with you before my suffering begins.
The moon remains a faithful witness in the sky to this very day.

Peaceful Sabbath.
 

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Sorry man, the 70 weeks are 70 heptads, 70 weeks of years.

Are you Bobby posting under a sock account??

You're right, Daniel said he went on a fast for three weeks, that HAS to be literal time, because it goes without saying. That couldn't be a 21 year fast, right?

But as soon as Gabriel said to Daniel 70 weeks are determined, Daniel knew right away what Gabriel was talking about. 62 and 7 weeks out of the Jubilee Calendar. These are heptads, sevens, seven weeks of years. You are to count for yourself 7 weeks of years.

"And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and there shall be unto thee the days of seven sabbaths of years, even forty and nine years. Then shalt thou send abroad the loud trumpet on the tenth day of the seventh month; in the day of atonement shall ye send abroad the trumpet throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.​

70 weeks of years are 490 years. 10 cycles of Jubilee:

49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49 = 490 years.

(The 50th year also becomes year 1 for the next Jubilee cycle)

Since the Exodus in 1437 BC, there were three sets of 70 weeks reaching to the end of Daniels 70 weeks in 34AD.

inQq0qQ.jpg


NYKCReT.jpg


It all works out from the Artaxerxes decree in 457BC, until Jesus announced in 27AD that the "time" is fulfilled early in Mark. The time fulfilled was the 62 and 7 weeks. Jesus read from the Isaiah 61 scroll declaring the favourable "year" of the Lord in 27AD. On April 7, 30AD He died in the middle of that week putting an end to sacrifice and confirming a covenant with many in the middle of the "week'.

I can be very very confident that this is true. You can easily eyeball the Passover count, even from the online timeanddate calendars on that year, the very year when Jesus told His disciples: "I have desired to eat this Passover with you.

"Jesus said, “I have been very eager to eat this Passover meal with you before my suffering begins.
The moon remains a faithful witness in the sky to this very day.

Peaceful Sabbath.
Who's Bobby?

Big Smiles
 

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It all works out from the Artaxerxes decree in 457BC, until Jesus announced in 27AD that the "time" is fulfilled early in Mark. The time fulfilled was the 62 and 7 weeks. Jesus read from the Isaiah 61 scroll declaring the favourable "year" of the Lord in 27AD. On April 7, 30AD He died in the middle of that week putting an end to sacrifice and confirming a covenant with man
Friday is not the middle of the week. Thursday was the Passover. The Lamb was sacrificed the day before the Passover, not the day after. That would have been too late, and all the first born in Israel would have died. Friday was Nisan 16. Thursday was Nisan 15. Wednesday was Nisan 14.


As for the last 3.5 years of Daniel's week, is the Second Coming. The Seals, Trumpets, and Thunders end the week. Christ is on earth for the final harvest, and the treading of the winepress. If Daniel 9:27 becomes reality, then the last week (of days) of the heptad, is itself split in half.

The triumphant week was split in half for the Cross. The Cross split the 70th week in half. Since you have the heptad ending in the fall of 34, then that would be the feast of Trumpets.

Except the accepted Jubilee actually ended in 35 AD. The sets of Jubilees are offset by 1 year. The Cross does not line up with the Jubilees as the Cross lines up with the Lord's Day of 1000 years. Not sure if the Jews would have had second thoughts if the Jubilees had matched up perfect with the Messiah?

I don't think the current Jubilee will match up with the Second Coming if that is a notion of any posters. It runs from 1996 to 2044.
 

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Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off when Jerusalem is surrounded by armies who stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Not one of those 10 markers are now in place. Apostasy and Christian persecutions today are continuations of all they have previously been. The other 8 things are not currently at hand.

This list is of those features which will be seen immediately after the Rapture, when Satan and his demons are released upon the removal of the Restrainer, which is the Church having the Holy Spirit.

Thanks for bringing this up.
 

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Not one of those 10 markers are now in place. Apostasy and Christian persecutions today are continuations of all they have previously been. The other 8 things are not currently at hand.

This list is of those features which will be seen immediately after the Rapture, when Satan and his demons are released upon the removal of the Restrainer, which is the Church having the Holy Spirit.

Thanks for bringing this up.
The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
 

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The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
I never said the Church will go through the Tribulation. I said we as the raptured Church will not see the 10 things you listed.
 

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I never said the Church will go through the Tribulation. I said we as the raptured Church will not see the 10 things you listed.
I never claimed you stated the church would go through the tribulation

However, The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no (Pre-Trib Rapture) as dispensationalism falsely teaches, dont be deceived

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
 

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I never claimed you stated the church would go through the tribulation

However, The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no (Pre-Trib Rapture) as dispensationalism falsely teaches, dont be deceived

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
The souls who are able to somehow survive the Tribulation without getting their head chopped off, yet love Jesus, are not the Church. In Revelations they are called "Saints," not the Church.
 

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The souls who are able to somehow survive the Tribulation without getting their head chopped off, yet love Jesus, are not the Church. In Revelations they are called "Saints," not the Church.
Your claim is "False", The Saints Seen In Revelation 14:12 Below Are Part Of The Church On Earth

(The Saints In The Church)

(1 Corinthians) 1:1-2KJV
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

(The Saints In The Church)

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
 
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Timtofly

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Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off when Jerusalem is surrounded by armies who stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Is the bolded part a typo?

Your claim is "False", The Saints Seen In Revelation 14:12 Below Are Part Of The Church On Earth

(The Saints In The Church)

(1 Corinthians) 1:1-2KJV
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

(The Saints In The Church)

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
How can you claim the saints in Revelation 14 are on the earth, yet the resurrection in Revelation 20:4 is not a physical resurrection on earth?

Is mount Sion a heavenly mountain, or earthly?

"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."
 

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I think crossover and overlap is seen in the prophetic time periods. But not the way that you are probably thinking of.

When I post this:

538<-------1260------->1798

Or this:

<----1260---->
<-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512
<------1335------> 0.966292134831461
<-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845


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It probably makes you think of this:

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To everyone else reading, Naomi is probably thinking of William Hendrickson’s interpretive approach to Revelation (perhaps not originating with him) called “progressive parallelism”. I can know that this is an erroneous teaching of the Amils right off the bat. Because I know that the Dragon does not chase the Woman though the time of the 7 vials. During the vials, the Dragon and his people are no longer in any position the chase the Woman. They have already called on the rocks and the mountains to:

"Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!​

But there is crossover and overlap in the prophetic time periods, like the 1260 years of Revelation 12 occurring within the larger 2300 year time period, the two witnesses 1260 days running out prior to the beast's 42 months, and Daniel's 70 weeks being cut off, "chathak", from the larger 2300 year time span.



Agreed. We have to keep an open mind. I don't think any of the churches or theologies is all correct now.



I don't think so. Sorry.

Maybe what you say will easily work with the doctrines of salvation, but not with the end time prophecy.

In the eschatological scriptures, we also have prophetic time periods. I'm not going to put it in this thread, but show me where the 1290 days are on the date to date calculator, and I will show you with authority what the Abomination is, AND what and where the holy place is that it is standing in right now. It's a lock fit. Better than gold money in the bank. And it dovetails in confirmation with the rest of the materials in this thread. Right in January.



It's what Newton said. The numbers match. It's there. Newton knew about 1535. Newton would have known to be watching for 1969. Isaac would have loved to see one of our days, and I think he will, the last day.

Again, because of the timing of the setting of these stones, their screams are reaching crescendo now.

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I say we are much closer to the actual second coming of Messiah than the vast majority recognizes.



:)



Me neither.

But I can punch my way out of a wet paper bag with a calculator.

"Measure carefully the time in your mind.

I wonder, should we let this thread drift away?

Until the Rapture come?

These guys are from the GTA, Toronto or Hamilton I think.

Enjoy.

Old man Jonah sittin' in his chair got no teeth and he got no hair
Got no daughter and he got no son he's just waitin' 'till the rapture come
Waitin' 'till the rapture come

He never did marry and he never went far never bought a house or a big ole car
But he ain't no beggar and he sure ain't dumb he's just waitin' 'till the rapture come
Waitin' 'till the rapture come

And when the rapture come the Lord's gonna call his name
(When the rapture come) Jonah's gonna put down his cane
(When the rapture come) Heaven's gonna take him away
But until that day…

Old man Jonah's got an old brass horn had it since the day that he was reborn
But he ain't gonna blow for just anyone he's gonna wait 'till the rapture come
Waitin' 'till the rapture come

Preacher come a-walkin' down that country mile said 'hey Jonah, know it's been a while'
But Jonah keep his eyes on the settin' sun he's just waitin' 'till the rapture come
Waitin' 'till the rapture come
Waitin' 'till the rapture come


Peaceful Sabbath.

I’m afraid your correlation of numbers and events don’t make much sense to me in terms of ‘maths’, even with calculator in hand. One would need to muddle through the program you have presented, and forgive me, but I’m just not following you.