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Groundzero

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Hello Groundzero:
Thanks for your post. I am going to respond, but don't take this wrong, I want to serve the Lord as you do.

You seem to have a spirit of argument. I didn’t respond to your post for an argument. I am on vacation for five months at Mustang Island State Park. http://www.tpwd.stat...mustang_island/

If you want to baptize in the Name of Jesus Christ, so be it. For you to take God’s place and judge those who obey the great commission, Matthew 28:19ff, then you will have to deal with the Father, not me.

Do you really obey Acts 2:38? Do you baptize in the Name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION (PARDON) OF SINS? If so, then that’s what I do. It’s “for the remission of sins.”

For over 1500 years baptism (Acts 2:38) was done in the name of Iesu Christi (Latin) and also in the Greek, Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ. Around the 16th century the “J” was added and Christ was called “Jesus.”

Are the Messianic Jews wrong: Acts 2:38 Kefa answered them, “Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh! (Complete Jewish Bible)

I’m NOT knocking the KJV. I spoke of a book that deals with the beginning of the KJV and the rules (from the King of England) the translators HAD TO GO BY. They had 15 rules to follow. One of the rules was to follow Tyndale’s translation, the Latin bible (Catholic) and the Great Bible. The translators also used 10 century Greek manuscripts. We have better manuscripts today.

You should know that a “translation” is NOT inspired. The original manuscripts were inspired, but not translations.
All translations “miss the mark” of perfection. (But, isn’t that man for you?)

May you have a good day. My hopes are that we serve Honor and Serve Him.
May He bless you,
charlesj

p.s. I have been home for a few days and will return to my trailer on the beach. We are faced with a tropical storm brewing in the Gulf of Mexico and it should reach land by Friday night. If it remains a tropical storm then that's not a problem, but if it turns into a hurricane, then you won't hear from me for a few days. Otherwise, I will respond to your emails after Saturday. May the Lord be with you. Also, "calm down".... LOL

Hehe. I am calm. I don't have any doubts or fears, I am simply trying to help someone have a full revelation of truth and be able to stand fully on the Scripture. I am not attempting to have an argument. I think that if we are to be honest pupils of the Scripture, then we must look at everything in the full light of the Scripture. If we don't, we will find that whatever doctrine we contrive, it will have holes in it. I am not going to get into any discussion over manuscripts. I get alot of that from people, many times it is in an attempt to boost their 'doctrine' that is being contradicted by Scripture.
When Jesus said in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost, he was verifying with his disciples that HE WAS the Father, the son, and the Holy Ghost. That is why he said THE NAME, not names. When the apostles and paul baptised in Jesus' name, they were following Jesus to the letter. It's just like my dad told me to go to the computer shop and pick up a computer in my name. I wouldn't go to the computer shop and say, "I'm here to pick up a computer in my name." That's merely parroting. I would say, "I'm here to pick up a computer in the name of Joses." The same applies to the Great Commission. To say the father son and holy ghost in baptism is merely repeating what Jesus said, you haven't actually used his name. The disciples understood him and baptised in Jesus' name.


I did read your work, and it was interesting. You quick readily defended against certain wrong doctrines.


Hope you have a great holiday

 

charlesj

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Hehe. I am calm. I don't have any doubts or fears, I am simply trying to help someone have a full revelation of truth and be able to stand fully on the Scripture. I am not attempting to have an argument. I think that if we are to be honest pupils of the Scripture, then we must look at everything in the full light of the Scripture. If we don't, we will find that whatever doctrine we contrive, it will have holes in it. I am not going to get into any discussion over manuscripts. I get alot of that from people, many times it is in an attempt to boost their 'doctrine' that is being contradicted by Scripture.
When Jesus said in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost, he was verifying with his disciples that HE WAS the Father, the son, and the Holy Ghost. That is why he said THE NAME, not names. When the apostles and paul baptised in Jesus' name, they were following Jesus to the letter. It's just like my dad told me to go to the computer shop and pick up a computer in my name. I wouldn't go to the computer shop and say, "I'm here to pick up a computer in my name." That's merely parroting. I would say, "I'm here to pick up a computer in the name of Joses." The same applies to the Great Commission. To say the father son and holy ghost in baptism is merely repeating what Jesus said, you haven't actually used his name. The disciples understood him and baptised in Jesus' name.


I did read your work, and it was interesting. You quick readily defended against certain wrong doctrines.


Hope you have a great holiday

Good morning:
If the storm doesn't turn into a major hurricane, then our vacation will be good. We still have about three months to spend at Mustang Island State Park.

I will try to get back to you around Sunday or Monday.
I noticed you didn't answer my question about baptism.
If ;you follow Acts 2:38, do you baptize "for the 'pardon' of sins"?

Also, do you believe you must speak in tongues in order to have "evidense" that you have the Holy Spirit?

thanks,
May the LOrd be with us as we honor and serve Him,
charlesj
 

Groundzero

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Good morning:
If the storm doesn't turn into a major hurricane, then our vacation will be good. We still have about three months to spend at Mustang Island State Park.

I will try to get back to you around Sunday or Monday.
I noticed you didn't answer my question about baptism.
If ;you follow Acts 2:38, do you baptize "for the 'pardon' of sins"?

Also, do you believe you must speak in tongues in order to have "evidense" that you have the Holy Spirit?

thanks,
May the LOrd be with us as we honor and serve Him,
charlesj

Yes. We baptise for remission of sins, as that is what the Scripture states, and yes, we believe that infilling of the Holy Spirit is evidenced by speaking in tongues.
 

charlesj

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Yes. We baptise for remission of sins, as that is what the Scripture states, and yes, we believe that infilling of the Holy Spirit is evidenced by speaking in tongues.


Hello again Grounzero:
Well, Crystal (my wife) and I made it through the storm here at Mustang Island State Park. Mainly because the storm hit 90 miles south of here. The storm only affected our beaches where the tide came in high. I think this is one of the ways our Lord cleans the beaches.

Getting back to 'baptism in Jesus Name"....

In the name of Jesus is by his authority which is heaven's authority there is no example of what was said .... such as "I now baptize you in the name of Jesus" or "I now baptize you in the name of the Father Son & the Holy Spirit" what we have in Acts 2:38 is a call for people to be baptized because Jesus is now Lord & Christ it's teaching not incantation those that respond understand that the entire Godhead endorses the baptism that was taught, commanded by Jesus. Did Jesus say/ teach/ command anything that was not first from the Father? did the Holy spirit reveal anything that the Father & Jesus did not authorize?

John 16:12-15 ASV 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall take of mine, and shall declare it unto you. 15 All things whatsoever the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he taketh of mine, and shall declare it unto you.

Baptism in Jesus Name Is baptism in the name or the Father Son & Holy Spirit. It is not what was said but what they did!

Incidentally, note the possessive nature of the "things" in this text

The Holy Spirit does not speak from himself
The Holy Spirit Takes Of Mine
What The Father Has Is Mine - Matthew 28:18 All authority has been given to me....

May the Lord bless us as we study, honor and serve Him,
charlesj