Evolution UTTERLY DESTROYED per Richard Dawkins

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GEN2REV

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How bout the fella at 29 minutes who just couldn't handle evolution being proven wrong so he took an iron bar and destroyed the fossilized human track that was discovered right along side the dinosaur tracks?

That's about a Truth-hatin' sore loser, eh?

"Whatever you do, ... don't let the Truth get out!"

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@ScottA

If I'm not mistaken, you are an Evolutionary-Creationist. If I understood that correctly, would you care to explain how that works?

I'm just guessing it means God created life and then life evolved more or less as science claims.

Is that close?
 
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Whether you believe in evolution or creationism, it matters not for your salvation.
 

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Whether you believe in evolution or creationism, it matters not for your salvation.
Well ... maybe it does, actually.

It has massive implications for the Truth of scripture and, if evolution were true, it would invalidate much of the Creation account of the Bible.

Whereas, since the Biblical account of Creation is true, that means all of the information surrounding that account, like the Sabbath for instance, has much more relevance and is confirmed to be very important for the Christian who is seeking to know and understand God.

Evolution, and the 100's of millions of years old dinosaurs, are greatly significant to the Atheist because they are a huge opposition point in convincing young University students that the Bible is a Fairy Tale.

Therefore, on the opposite hand, the Truth of Creation serves to bolster the faith of those who are always seeking confirmation for their faith.

Probably has more of a bearing on salvation that many would like to claim.

Contrary to the modern position, Popular Science and the Bible ... do not mix.
 
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Well ... maybe it does, actually.

It has massive implications for the Truth of scripture and, if evolution were true, it would invalidate much of the Creation account of the Bible.

Whereas, since the Biblical account of Creation is true, that means all of the information surrounding that account, like the Sabbath for instance, has much more relevance and is confirmed to be very important for the Christian who is seeking to know and understand God.

Evolution, and the 100's of millions of years old dinosaurs, are greatly significant to the Atheist because they are a huge opposition point in convincing young University students that the Bible is a Fairy Tale.

Therefore, on the opposite hand, the Truth of Creation serves to bolster the faith of those who are always seeking confirmation for their faith.

Probably has more of a bearing on salvation that many would like to claim.

Contrary to the modern position, Popular Science and the Bible ... do not mix.

I will agree to disagree.

I believe in evolution and still can believe that Jesus was crucified and raised from the dead for our salvation.

That is as far as I will debate this. I still have Covid pneumonia and the brain fog is a struggle.
 
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I will agree to disagree.

I believe in evolution and still can believe that Jesus was crucified and raised from the dead for our salvation.

That is as far as I will debate this. I still have Covid pneumonia and the brain fog is a struggle.
No problem.

Get well.

It's probably not the first point to push on someone freshly interested in the faith, but I believe it has salvific value. ;)

God bless.
 
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It's probably not the first point to push on someone freshly interested in the faith, but I believe it has salvific value.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me, as I have been Christian a lot longer than would be considered freshly interested in the faith. I was born and raised Catholic and walked away from Catholicism in my teens. Was away from God for a while and came back to Him when I was in my mid 30's.

I am 47 years old now and am still in the faith.
 

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@ScottA

If I'm not mistaken, you are an Evolutionary-Creationist. If I understood that correctly, would you care to explain how that works?

I'm just guessing it means God created life and then life evolved more or less as science claims.

Is that close?
I am not familiar with the term "Evolutionary-Creationist", nor is there any validity to the theory of evolution.
 
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Evolution UTTERLY DESTROYED per Richard Dawkins
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However, before “Richard Dawkins”...we have Gods own Word.:)

Lord Speaking: Job 40:1
Job 40:
[15] Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
[16] Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
[17] He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
[18] His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
[19] He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
[20] Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
[21] He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
[22] The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
[23] Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
[24] He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

Pretty clear, Gods 6 day creation, included HUGE animals and mankind.
 
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I suppose I should offer more of an explanation on the theory of evolution:

The thing that fuels the theory of evolution is from God. It is He who has allowed--no, insisted, that all things be made manifest in the world before or in the Judgement. Thus, if one believes that evolution is true, billions of years of would-be "evidence" are made manifest. While at the same time, if another believes that the word of God (and not evolution) is true, that too is made manifest. And this is the fullness of what is meant by creation being made "in our image." In a manner of speaking, God has answered "the fall" with (in other words), God speaking, "Well, okay, let's see (image) just what that looks like":

Is a lamp brought to be put under a basket or under a bed? Is it not to be set on a lampstand? 22 For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light. 23 If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.”

24 Then He said to them, “Take heed what you hear. With the same measure you use, it will be measured to you; and to you who hear, more will be given. 25 For whoever has, to him more will be given; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
”​

But truly, even according to science, time is a complete illusion:

"For us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one." Albert Einstein​

Even those who would like to take God at His word have trouble with believing that what their life experience in the world and what they see with their eyes, is not rather the truth, causing them to imagine all sorts of ways that both could somehow be true.

The problem is-- neither is true in the way that we perceive it-- even the scriptures!

God has clearly stated that there is no timeline with Him, that all is "the same yesterday, today, and forever." And that the end of the story for those who are His, is "without shadow of turning"-- without evening and morning, without time, just as it is true of God Himself. From the very beginning and all throughout the scriptures, He clearly defines even this would-be reality as a "creation", and us as an "image." Which includes the entire would-be timeline-- not from the fall, but from "the evening and the morning" of the first day, the first "shadow of turning!"

And God does not define this would-be reality as a new thing, no, but refers to it as the actual and godly reality of what was before time was created, "before the foundation of the world."

So then, what is this-- what is the nature of this world, which is not the nature of God?

It is what "is written." Written in the stars, written in the mind of God-- call it what you like, but the timeline of history, is simply His story, of what is made manifest rather in a [storyline] for the sake of revelation to those who are implemented in the story, for their living testimony for or against them in the Judgement, which is the glory of God. But that storyline is not a timeline anymore than there is a timeline in any story-- it is simply what is written. And the confusing part, is that because it is God who has done the writing...it appears to be in real time, where there is none.

Thus we are counseled to walk in the timelessness of God in the spirit, and not in the flesh and in the blindness of this world. Here, we merely walk through the pages of what is written in the timeless reality of God.
 
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I suppose I should offer more of an explanation on the theory of evolution:

The thing that fuels the theory of evolution is from God. It is He who has allowed--no, insisted, that all things be made manifest in the world before or in the Judgement. Thus, if one believes that evolution is true, billions of years of would-be "evidence" are made manifest. While at the same time, if another believes that the word of God (and not evolution) is true, that too is made manifest. And this is the fullness of what is meant by creation being made "in our image." In a manner of speaking, God has answered "the fall" with (in other words), God speaking, "Well, okay, let's see (image) just what that looks like":

Is a lamp brought to be put under a basket or under a bed? Is it not to be set on a lampstand? 22 For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light. 23 If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.”

24 Then He said to them, “Take heed what you hear. With the same measure you use, it will be measured to you; and to you who hear, more will be given. 25 For whoever has, to him more will be given; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
”​

But truly, even according to science, time is a complete illusion:

"For us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one." Albert Einstein​

Even those who would like to take God at His word have trouble with believing that what their life experience in the world and what they see with their eyes, is not rather the truth, causing them to imagine all sorts of ways that both could somehow be true.

The problem is-- neither is true in the way that we perceive it-- even the scriptures!

God has clearly stated that there is no timeline with Him, that all is "the same yesterday, today, and forever." And that the end of the story for those who are His, is "without shadow of turning"-- without evening and morning, without time, just as it is true of God Himself. From the very beginning and all throughout the scriptures, He clearly defines even this would-be reality as a "creation", and us as an "image." Which includes the entire would-be timeline-- not from the fall, but from "the evening and the morning" of the first day, the first "shadow of turning!"

And God does not define this would-be reality as a new thing, no, but refers to it as the actual and godly reality of what was before time was created, "before the foundation of the world."

So then, what is this-- what is the nature of this world, which is not the nature of God?

It is what "is written." Written in the stars, written in the mind of God-- call it what you like, but the timeline of history, is simply His story, of what is made manifest rather in a [storyline] for the sake of revelation to those who are implemented in the story, for their living testimony for or against them in the Judgement, which is the glory of God. But that storyline is not a timeline anymore than there is a timeline in any story-- it is simple what is written. And the confusing part, is that because it is God who has done the writing...it appears to be in real time, where there is none.

Thus we are counseled to walk in the timelessness of God in the spirit, and not in the flesh and in the blindness of this world. Here, we merely walk through the pages of what is written in the timeless reality of God.
You have a unique perspective on it all, to be sure.
 

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Jump to 19 minutes for those who are impatiently chomping at the bit to disprove such a wildly erroneous claim.

Extraordinary Evidence that Dinosaurs Lived with Man - Dr. Don Patton

Richard Dawkins spends an inordinate amount of time hating on God. As a Christian, I don’t waste countless hours trying to disprove Odin because I know Odin isn’t real—or he could be a demon from hell, but who cares? I mind my own business and don’t interfere with Odinists and their odd beliefs. If they want to go to hell, that’s their choice.

Isn’t it odd how Dawkins practically spends his life being mean to Christians? Perhaps he didn’t make an actual infernal pact with Satan for fame, but he may have done so symbolically. He is renowned as a scientist and professional spokesperson for the blasphemy community; and yes, he is very famous for it—but at a terrible cost. Eternal damnation awaits him.
 
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Richard Dawkins spends an inordinate amount of time hating on God. As a Christian, I don’t waste countless hours trying to disprove Odin because I know Odin isn’t real—or he could be a demon from hell, but who cares? I mind my own business and don’t interfere with Odinists and their odd beliefs. If they want to go to hell, that’s their choice.

Isn’t it odd how Dawkins practically spends his life being mean to Christians? Perhaps he didn’t make an actual infernal pact with Satan for fame, but he may have done so symbolically. He is renowned as a scientist and professional spokesperson for the blasphemy community; and yes, he is very famous for it—but at a terrible cost. Eternal damnation awaits him.
Yes, I've often wondered why Atheists, and skeptical/science-worshiping Christians, spend so much time on Christian chat forums.

It does seem odd that one would spend so much time among those who believe things that are totally contrary to what they believe.

I am passionate about God and the Bible, but I can't imagine spending any time at all on an Atheist chat forum. Just to prove God right?

Ironically, that's often exactly what we're doing, though, when we spend time on "Christian" Chat Forums. Is it not? ;)
 

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Yes, I've often wondered why Atheists, and skeptical/science-worshiping Christians, spend so much time on Christian chat forums.

It does seem odd that one would spend so much time among those who believe things that are totally contrary to what they believe.

I am passionate about God and the Bible, but I can't imagine spending any time at all on an Atheist chat forum. Just to prove God right?

Ironically, that's often exactly what we're doing, though, when we spend time on "Christian" Chat Forums. Is it not? ;)

I’m not an atheist, so I can’t say for certain what motivates many of them to dedicate quite a lot of their time to criticizing religion and harming Christianity in general. But it does seem like many atheists exude arrogance: They mistake their lack of belief for some sort of special esoteric knowledge, so maybe they think they’re on a quest to “enlighten” humanity by promoting godlessness. But really, I have no idea.
 

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The Society of Sciences declared several years ago .. That evolution, as taught in school is incorrect.

One day, the same Society of Sciences will state that the claim of Climate Change caused by man is pure fiction.
 

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@ScottA

If I'm not mistaken, you are an Evolutionary-Creationist. If I understood that correctly, would you care to explain how that works?

I'm just guessing it means God created life and then life evolved more or less as science claims.

Is that close?
That's what I think too. Believing in evolution in this way does not mean that I do not believe in the God of creation. I think evolution is a natural law. What I don't believe is that we - humans - evolved from apes or monkeys.
 

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That's what I think too. Believing in evolution in this way does not mean that I do not believe in the God of creation. I think evolution is a natural law. What I don't believe is that we - humans - evolved from apes or monkeys.
When I was a kid I was taught the "theory of evolution." Have there been any breakthroughs to give it a promotion to "natural law?" Sometimes "adaptation" is seen as "evolution." :)
 
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I'm not sure if this was directed at me, as I have been Christian a lot longer than would be considered freshly interested in the faith. I was born and raised Catholic and walked away from Catholicism in my teens. Was away from God for a while and came back to Him when I was in my mid 30's.

I am 47 years old now and am still in the faith.

it’s perfectly fine to be a Christian and accept science. Evolution is definitely true. There is no scientific doubt about it. Though they are the loudest, the YEC/OEC and IDers make up only a fraction of the faith and they are mostly the alt right with very backward understanding of life.

you may like these books by biblical scholars.
John Walton’s “ The Lost World of Genesis 1” and “The Bible & Ancient Science: Principles of Interpretation” by Denis Lamoureux.

also the podcast “ The Bible Project “ by Tim Mackie has episodes that cover this subject. Pete Enn’s “ The Bible for Normal People” and the podcast “ The Language of God “ put out by Biologos. Evolutionary creationism is far healthier than young earth theism.

Also Biologos , founded by Francis Collins who lead the human genome project and was appointed Director of the NIH , has forums that are predominantly filled with other evolutionary creationist.

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