Daniel 7

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There are many different interpretations of the beasts of Daniel 7, but to understand the true context, one must go back to Daniel 2 where a vision is given and an explanation of the meaning of a statue. It had a head of gold, chest of silver, belly and thighs of brass, legs of iron and feet of iron and clay. Then a rock from heaven comes down and destroys the whole thing.
This statue represented 4 empires to come, beginning from Daniels time, each one superceding the one before, and the final to continue right down to the second coming of Christ, which the rock represents.
The first kingdom was Babylon. The second, Media – persia, the third Greece, and the fourth, Rome. Rome would continue till our day except in a different form. The iron on it’s own was pagan Rome, the mixture of iron and clay is papal Rome. So Rome continues to exist, but as a church/state union.
What happens in chapter 7 is the same pattern of empires but with much greater detail. A lion representing Babylon, a bear representing Media-Persia, a Leopard representing Greece, and a horrible indescribable beast representing Rome. Out of this last beast grows 10 horns, plus another which grew up among them, and displaces 3 of them.
Belshazzar ruled Babylon approx. 553 BC.to 539 BC. The prophecy re the predatory animals was given in his first year of reign.
The bear, the second animal to rise up, therefore represented whatever kingdom succeeded Babylon. The bear was pictured as rising up higher on one side, and had 3 ribs in it’s mouth. A corresponding prophecy in Daniel 8 enlarges on the theme, and gives even more detail The ram here is said to represent Media/Persia, and the horn on the ram had one side which grew up first, but the other side came up last and grew higher.
The empire was made up of two groups of people. The Medes came up first and Ahasuerus and then his son Darius were the first kings. It was Cyrus however who defeated Babylon in 539BC and he took full power later that year.Cyrus was the first of a line of Persian kings that ruled until Greece defeated them. The 3 ribs in the mouth of the bear represented the 3 major powers that were defeated by this Media/Persian empire, Egypt, Lydia, and Babylon.
The next animal was a leopard which had 4 heads.
Alexander the Great defeated the Persians at the battle of Arbela in the year 331 BC. Greece then became the ruling empire, and was represented by the leopard and the goat of Daniel 8. The leopards 4 heads represent 4 generals that took over from Alexander when he died at the age of 33. These 4 generals divided the empire up between them; they were Cassander, Seleucus, Ptolemy, and Lysimachus. The goat had at first one horn,(Alexander) but was broken and and four others came up in its stead. Thus the 4 horns and the 4 heads all are the same 4 generals who became kings of their own territories.

So far, 3 beasts have been dealt with, and 3 empires identified. Babylon, Media-Persia, and Greece. We saw how the 4 heads of the leopard in Daniel 7 and the 4 horns of the goat in Daniel 8 represented the break up of the Grecian empire into 4 distinct kingdoms under Alexander’s 4 generals who took over after his death.
Things get very interesting with the 4th beast. We are given much more detail, and our attention is drawn in particular to the “little horn” which grows from the head of this beast, as if God is wanting to focus our attention on this horn, reasons for which you will shortly understand.
Rome was never conquered by any succeeding empire as were the ones before. It slowly devolved as warring barbarian tribes from the north invaded it’s territories, but Rome has always continued to exist but in a different form. The ten horns on the beast are ten kingdoms which developed in the western hemisphere of the empire. One must also remember the ten toes of the statue in Daniel 2. Constantine moved the capital of the empire to Constantinople in the east, leaving the western portion more or less defenceless. It is the western part of the empire that the prophecy focuses on, because it was this part that had by far the greater influence on the church.
It must be remembered that this prophecy was written some 5oo years or more prior to the actual events. Daniel lived in the 6th century BC, these events took place beginning from his time, and continuing down through the ages to today, 2,500 years later. The horns of the 4th beast appeared on the scene around about the 3rd and 4th centuries AD, and the “little horn” began developing in the 2nd century and grew to maturity becoming a power in its own right in the 6th century.
The ten horns represent kings and their respective kingdoms that would arise . Because the horns grow OUT of the beast, Rome, we must look WITHIN that empire in order to find them. We must not expect to find any powers to invade from outside the empire. Prophecy, even in these seemingly minor details is completely accurate.
Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things…..
….24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
So what does history show us? The following is a list of ten barbarian tribes that carved out a land niche for their people toward the end of the Roman pagan rule in western Europe. There are 7 modern nations of Europe that descended from these people. 3 of the original 10 were destroyed.
VISIGOTHS………. SPAIN
ANGLO SAXONS….. ENGLAND
FRANKS………. FRANCE
ALEMANNI …….. GERMANY
BURGUNDIANS …… SWITZERLAND
LOMBARDS ……. ITALY
SUEVI ……… PORTUGAL
HERULI ………. ROOTED UP
OSTROGOTHS ….. ROOTED UP
VANDALS ……. ROOTED UP
No trace nor descendant exists today of those tribes that were destroyed.
How then does history show how these 3 were destroyed?
3 kings, Alaric, Genseric, and Theodoric led these 3 nations. At a time when the Christian faith had become the official religion of the Roman empire, (although in a much compromised form) , these former pagan kings as one can well understand had some problems with the new faith. Several matters they disagreed with, the 2 main ones being the divinity of Christ and the authority of the bishop of Rome over the church. When Constantine left the Roman secular rule empty after taking the capital of the empire to Constantinople, the bishop of Rome took up the mantle and began to exercise secular authority over Rome as well as spiritual. Power went to their heads and it wasn’t long before the bishops there began calling themselves popes or pontifex maximus after the pagan rulers did before Christianity, but also claimed authority over all Christendom, outside of Rome as well.
This did not sit well with many, not only the barbarain tribes just mentioned, but also true believers in Christ who wanted nothing to do with politics and thought the church should be completely separate from the state. (An argument still going on to this day) These Christians were roundly persecuted by the state/church union, along with Jews, and non-Christians alike.
The 3 tribes were a constant thorn in the side of Rome, and had to be dealt with before the popes could claim complete sovereignty as the Ostrogoths in particular, occupied Rome itself and the bishops ruled only through tolerance.
The Catholic emperor Zeno arranged a treaty with the Ostrogoths in 487 AD which resulted in the eradication of the Heruli 6 years later. The emperor Justinian exterminated the Vandals in 534 AD. The following year, the spiritual rule over all the churches of the empire by the Roman bishop was made official by Justinian, as well as secular ruler of the city of Rome. The Ostrogoths however still occupied Rome, and thus the bishops were deprived of full autonomy at this time. However, in 538, they were expelled from Rome. It is from this date that the church/state union of the Roman Catholic church came to full power. This date takes on further significance as I will explain later. The Ostrogoths were finally defeated completely 15 years later, in 553 AD.
Although these kings were destroyed by secular armies, it was at the instigation and the approval and the assumed authority of the bishop of Rome that it was undertaken. Thus the prophecy is remarkably fulfilled, the ten horns are identified, the 3 that were destroyed confirmed, and the first clue as to the identity of the little horn revealed. Is the Roman Catholic church really the little horn of prophecy?
This final little horn I would like to discuss now. There is more written in the scriptures about this power than all the previous empires combined. It is important we understand the nature of the power in question, it’s real identity, and the danger it poses to the world. There are at least 10 characteristics which pinpoint with unerring accuracy the identity of this ‘little horn’. I have already explained that it was the Roman Catholic Church which had the principle role in the destruction of the 3 former nations, the Vandals, Ostrogoths and Heruli. The question is, does the papacy fit all the other characteristics given. Is the RCC the little horn that we are to be warned of?
I won’t go over all ten, I think 3 should be enough unless someone asks.

1 . Daniel 7 verses 21 and 25 says that this entity would wear out and make war with and persecute the true followers of Jesus, the Christian church. History records that the RCC ,according to even the most conservative historians , has been directly responsible for the deaths of at least 50 million people in matters of conscientious or religious principle, over a space of 1200 odd years. Wars against nations (the Hussites of Czechoslovakia), communities of Christians in various countries (the Waldenses of Nth Italy and Albigenses of France), crusades against Muslims, Jews, and Christians in Palestine and elsewhere , and the inqusition in Spain France and India. Besides the persecutions by Catholic kings and queens in many countries throughout Europe on behalf of the Pope. The book, Foxe’s Book of Martyrs is an excellent source for more detailed information on this subject. Add to this is evidence that the Vatican was closely involved in the Crimean war, both world wars, the civil war in the US, and the Vietnam war and I think one could safely say that she fulfils the required qualification for persecution of the church. You might be asking by now “but isn’t the catholic church a Christian church?” In answer to that, I would say look at it’s history, and tell me if you believe the church to be Christian. That there are individuals within the RCC that are Christian is without question. But the system and structure itself?

2. The next qualifying point is in Daniel 7:25. The Bible says that this power would seek to change times and laws. Now every power changes times and laws right? So what’s so special about that you may ask. We are talking about God’s laws, as given in the ten commandments. The Bible lists these commandments in the book of Exodus. The Catholic catechisms list of ten commandments is quite different.
They have removed the second commandment entirely. That commandment involves the worshiping of graven images or idols. Go into any catholic church or see any catholic shrine and you will understand why that commandment was removed. The tenth commandment was divided into 2 parts to make up the ten.
And the 4th commandment, which deals with worship, has been altered also. This is where they have changed the times and law also. The Sabbath has been changed in Catholic doctrine from Saturday to Sunday. The Jews always observed the Sabbath, from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday, the 7th day of the week. This changed to Sunday over a number of years and the RCC adopted the change officially around about the 5th century.

3 Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Many prophecies have a time element embedded within them. In such cases if the prophecy says that such ‘n such will last 20 days, then it is to be interpreted as 20 years. There are several examples of this and all have proved to be perfectly accurate.
There is a prophetic time period repeated 7 times in the Bible. Twice in the book of Daniel, and 5 times in Revelation. All 7 refer to the same period of time, but presented in 3 different ways. They are as follows.
Daniel 7:25; 12:7 Rev. 11:2,3; 12:6, 14; 13:5.
They are presented as “times, time, and half a time”; 1260 days; and 42 months. A “time” is one year. “Times” is 2 years, and “half a time” is half a year. Three and a half years in total. Based on the Hebrew calender of a 30 day month/360 days per one year, 3 and 1/2 years equals 1260 days. 42 months on the same basis is also 1260 days. Converted to years all come to the same identical time period, 1260 years.
According to Daniel 7:25, the little horn was to have power over the saints (the church) for 1260 days, or in real time, 1260 years. The rule of the papacy, as I mentioned in a previous post, began in 538AD with the final expulsion of the Ostrogoths from Rome, the last of the 3 horns to be uprooted. It’s rule continued until 1798 when Napoleon’s general, Berthier, entered Rome and took the pope captive. The college of cardinals was disbanded and Rome declared a republic. All papal states were confiscated. The pope died in exile 2 years later. To all intents and purposes, the Roman Catholic church as a church/state union was finished. No longer was there a pope holding civil authority in Rome, and thus the secular authority she used to try and execute who she branded as heretics was over. Exactly 1260 years after it began.
This event was a deadly blow to the papacy. In Revelation this same event is described this way: …’one of it’s heads wounded to death’, (Revelation 13:3) speaking of the same entity, but no longer a horn, but rather the full grown beast. Political leaders world-wide all shared the same sentiment when speaking of this papal captivity at the time; they all agreed that it was the end of the papal civil authority, never to be heard from again. Most celebrated. No more persecution, no more consigning entire nations to the fires of hell on the pretext of some offense against the current pope. Of course, as a church, in countries world wide, they still existed and operated.
The scriptures however disagreed with those political leaders, because the Bible says that the deadly wound would be healed. And indeed it was. In 1929 Mussolini restored the Vatican city to the papacy, giving the pope of the time once more civil authority. The Bible however goes somewhat further. Not only was the papacy to be restored to civil power, which has taken place, but that at some time following, the entire world would “wonder after the beast”. As we observe the international politicking by the 3 more recent popes, the coming address by Francis to the joint congress, one need not stretch his imagination too far to envisage the papacy once again gaining the authority it once enjoyed in Europe during the dark ages, only in the near future, on a world-wide scale. This is what the Bible is warning us about. But more on that later.
In the meantime, we have seen how the RCC has fulfilled to the letter 4 key qualifiers regarding it’s positive identity as the little horn of Daniel 7. As far as Biblical time-frames is concerned, the revival of the papacy after it’s initial life span of 1260 years, is a sure sign of the second coming of Jesus. The re-establishment of the papacy as a world power and a principle player in world politics is one of the few remaining prophetic fulfillments before the second coming of Jesus and the end of the present age.
You may be asking yourself however why the re-establishment of the papal civil authority should be anything to be concerned about. The reason is actually very simple.
The Roman Catholic church sees herself as ruler and supreme authority not just over churches, protestant and catholic, but over all nations as well. This includes all other faiths, and even non-faiths such as atheism. So even if you don’t believe in God and haven’t darkened the doorway of a church in your entire life apart from your own wedding, the pope still claims authority over you. Freedom of worship, and freedom not to worship, is utterly foreign to Vatican policy. It was as late as the 1860s that she officially denounced freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and outlawed the Bible except as she was sole interpreter. Because she claims infallibility, these policies remain, and though in the current political climate she doesn’t have the power to implement such policies, the time is coming, according to the scriptures, that she will. And through ecumenism, it will be the protestant!! churches who will give her the power to do so. Persecution and the execution of ‘heretics’ will be re-established. ‘Heretics’ my friends will include believers and non-believers alike. No-one will escape.
 

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I believe that the image of Daniel 2 and further details given of the same in Daniel 7 break between the ending of the Middle Eastern Seleucid rulers of the north just before the first century .... and resume again at the end of this present age .... the enter posing 2000 years lies between the ending of the 69th week decreed for Israel .... and the beginning of the 70th still pending .... same period the Lord's dispensation of grace still ongoing

There were 2 divides of Alexander's broken Asian conquering, one north [Seleucid] and one south of Israel [Ptolemaic, Egypt] [2 bronze thighs]

The same break in Daniel 7 is between the 3rd and 4th kingdoms, with the 4th still pending ..... the 2 iron legs, one north and one south of Israel at the time appointed [see Daniel 11:40] .... the human little horn and king of the north of Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; 12:7 moves against the king of the south [Egyptian ruler] when the king of the south pushes at him

So the 4th kingdom is was not the ancient Roman Empire .... this empire did not start out as 2 rival kingdoms in the Middle East and is not even in the visions of the Bible prophets

The visions of the Bible prophets go silent and do not resume until the ending of this present age when the balance of unfulfilled prophecy begin to roll .... Rome is noted as an historical kingdom in the NT, but not in visionary prophecy

The reformation and later reconstruction movements all speculated ancient Rome into the visions with a further revival of the same .... but this is an incorrect rendering of the prophetic scriptures, and must be

There are no significant identifiable and significant historical events recorded in any prophet's vision related to the last 2000 years .... none

All of the prophets and the Lord Himself focus upon the Middle East with their projections for the time of the end .... the time appointed [Daniel 11:35]

Daniel 11:21-34 is the exact career of Antiochus IV, the last king of the Seleucid north .... the next king of the north in the vision is the little horn of Daniel 7; 8

70 AD was not the time of the end as many say .... Matthew 24 and Luke 21:20-36 are projections of a returned remnant of Israel to the land in the midst of the tiny nation's virulent enemies of the same Middle Eastern populations generated from the early post flood days who are still there today .... and the majority are adherents of Islam

The human little horn, the last king of the north will arise will arise out of this region at the time of the end of this present age .... the region of northwestern Mesopotamia [Iraq/Levant] .... he is symbolically called the "Assyrian" in Micah 5 [this ancient empire ruled the Middle East for about 1500 years with its core at Nineveh] .... today Nineveh Province, Mosul Iraq

The current turmoil among the divided Islamic factions is the stage setting for the rising of the Muslim little horn [Muslim Caliph] [Daniel 2:40-43 7; 8 ;.... this one will confederate the same, will destroy the "great city" of the western Gentiles, and will invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount [Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8; 18:1-21; Ezekiel 38; 39; Daniel 12:1-7; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24; 15-16; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

This invasion of Israel will occur at the middle of the 70th week decreed for Israel [Daniel 9:24-27], and the little horn and his Muslim followers will prevail for 1260 days [42 months] [Revelation 11;2; 13:1-5] .... then the Lord will come and destroy them at Armageddon in the next 30 days [Ezekiel 39; Daniel 11:45; 12; 1-12; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]

The Lord will then appear upon the earth and gather all of the mortal survivors of the days of the tribulation in the next 45 days [first of Israel, and then of the Gentiles] and separate them for entering and populating His millennial kingdom upon the earth [Matthew 24:29-31; 25:31-46; Micah 4; Revelation 20:4]

These things are pending and just out ahead of us .... watch the Middle East for understanding

The region that all of the prophets are focused upon in their visions

The Lord's more sure word of prophecy [2 Peter 1:16-21] is of Middle Eastern culture from the Noahic flood forward .... and not of a Euro-centric Roman, Pope led RCC as the reformers and reconstruction movements of the protestant "church" taught long ago
 
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Isalm can not possibly be the Antichrist for many reasons, but one ought to suffice. Islam did not arise from the church. She is not the man of sin, the son of perdition that pretends to be a part of the true church but now stands in the temple of God, the church, proclaiming to be God. She is not an apostate Christian church, that 'came out from us' (see John). Only the RCC meets all these criteria. Only the RCC.