Hobie
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Oh, not free grace and continue in sin............
Seems that Satan has got his deception in everywhere...
CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity
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Seems that Satan has got his deception in everywhere...
Hobie, I just glanced over that thread, and it had too much dust on thread to post, since it was around five years since anyone posted on it.
All I will say concerning your statement is this: The same grace that brought salvation to us, also teaches us.
God's grace hath appeared to all men, both Jews and Gentiles, not all without exception, but all without distinction, of races, or nationality, rich, or poor, wise or unwise, etc., teaching us..........what does God's marvelous grace teach us? That we should deny ungodliness and worldly lust, that we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world, if we truly desire the world to come. All of God's children of his oath and promises, will live as his children, yet, none will, or, can live above sin, all have their weakness as long as we live in this body of sin and death.
Big Boy Johnson
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The false doctrines of calvinism have been debunked and defunct many times.
Feel free to believe your calvinist blah blah all you want, but I will not be joining you in this heresy!
And you can believe whatever you want about that as it matters not to me
Yeah with lots of scripture twisting, moving word definitions, and dark traditions from those that idolize that un-repentant murderer John Calvin
Wow, that's a long time to be involved with false doctrine... WHY would anyone want to try and speak with someone who's mind is already made up and have been for decades?
The Lord turned you over to your devices long ago so YOU would have to repent and come out of your heresy in order to recover yourself from the snare of the enemy.
Big Boy Johnson
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Must be a board software issue if this is true. I just highlight the quote and a little icon pops up with links saying "Quote | Reply" so I didn't intentionally do anything to make it appear to be coming from you.
Well if YOU help them then you'll just be trying to teach them the heresy of calvinism and I'd be able to teach them how to not end up in the lake of fire.
Those that believe God picks and chooses only a few to be saved... may be one of the ones He decided to NOT save!
Limited atonement is false doctrine according to God's Word... which is why the calvinists ignore or try to explain away these scriptures which is calling the Lord's Word... a lie!
The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)
God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)
God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)
Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)
In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.
Limited Atonement is FALSE
Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children
Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Big Boy Johnson
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When Calvinist read the scripture that you posted. They go spiritually blind, or they just refuse to answer.
Big Boy Johnson
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Yep, they have that cherry picking thing down pretty good! 
There's a new bible out now for cherry pickers...
There's a new bible out now for cherry pickers...
Do the Calvinist have their own Bible yet? The Mormons have their own Bible.
It's almost as though they do!
They not only cherry pick passages that are universally removed from their context but, in addition to that, and perhaps more importantly, they redefine the meaning of practically every word in the English language that touches their doctrine in any way. This is particularly true when the words are applied to God.
loving
living
dead
moral
righteousness
justice
sovereign
arbitrary
mercy
patience
repent
and probably a hundred more!
None of those words mean to a Calvinist what they mean to the whole rest of the English speaking world and so when they read their bible it is very much like they're reading a different book altogether. I can't begin to report the number of times that a Calvinist has quoted me a scripture that supposedly proves his doctrine that flat out doesn't say anything similar to what he claims to believe and yet, they think it does because the Calvinist lexicon of the English language is firmly rooted in their mind. It's a very difficult obstacle to overcome. All but impossible, really. It requires a paradigm change on their part, which is a rare thing indeed.
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amigo de christo
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How often did we see in the old testament GOD say , I do not DESIRE the death of the wicked but rather that he would repent .
WHY will YE DIE , REPENT .
quite a few places .
Now notice what JESUS later said , HOW OFTEN I DESIRED to gather you as a mother hen under her wings
only YE WOULD NOT . notice HE didnt say ONLY GOD PRE DETERMINED YOU WOULD NOT . exactly .
CALVIN IS BAD NEWS.
amigo de christo
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all i know is this , FOLLOW NEITHER ONE . have a blessed day my friend .
amigo de christo
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Shall we continue in sin , GOD FORBID
dont you know to whom you obey HIS servant YOU ARE .
Too many are using grace as a license to sin
not rather
as
THE TRUE GRACE OF GOD that brings salvation has appeared to all
TEACHING US to DENY all ungodliness and wordly lusts
and to be living godly and righteously .............
Grace dont honor or license sin
Rather it sets us free FROM SIN and HE WHO HAD THE POWER of death .
Too many be using el diablos version of grace, IT AINT LOOKING GOOD my friend .
Ronald Nolette
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No we use the verified accurate translations and follow them without redefining terms as you have done.
There is no scripture in the Bible that says God predestinates people to heaven or to hell. You believe that there is, but you cannot come up with it. I am amazed of Satan's power to deceive.
It is only when you have the freedom to sin that you will stop sinning. The law will not stop anyone from sinning, it will actually promote sin, Romans 7:7-12.
Ronald Nolette
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I keep agreeing with you and you keep repeating this. Do you have an issue?
amigo de christo
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YOU got that messed up my dear friend . It aint nor ever was FREEDOM TO SIN , rather FREEDOM FROM SIN , from its power
from its desires is what we are given in CHRIST .
i used to love my sin . NOW I HATE the sin i once loved though it still be present in the flesh .
IT aint nor ever was Grace gives us FREEDOM TO SIN . that be a huge and deadly error to even think so .
Ronald Nolette
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We are born with the freedom to sin. It is our very nature.
Ephesians 2
King James Version
2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
To be in Christ is to be free from laws, rules and religion. To be under the law is to be in bondage to sin. The law promotes sin, Romans 7:8-9. The harder that you try not to sin, the more you will sin. Don't get caught up in the sin fight, if you do you will lose. What is the solution? It is faith that Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and that we are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. So that we don't have to be concerned about it.
JBO
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I think you are misreading that passage. Verse 12 says, "So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good." If the law is holy and righteous and good, it cannot promote sin. A key in that passage is verse 8 which says, "For apart from the law, sin lies dead." That agrees with Romans 5: 13 which says, "sin is not counted where there is no law." Most folks today, including many faithful Christians, simply do not understand the law and therefore do not really understand the connection between the law and sin. That is a major problem with Calvinism, since the Calvinist theological philosophy fails to understand what Paul meant when he spoke about salvation through faith not law.
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