URwrongAgain
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Duh??????Where's your quote as a witness, GOD is everywhere ?
Psalms 139:8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:
if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
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Duh??????Where's your quote as a witness, GOD is everywhere ?
As a former ordained minister, were you ever made aware of what the word “worship” can mean in a broader sense, scripturally?......as used in the Hebrew and Greek it has two definitions.....this word can denote worship, but can also be applied to reverent acts other than worship. However, the context determines in what way the respective words are to be understood.Of course I do, as He is worthy to be praised. I also worship His Father who is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. The "only true God and His Son."
Yeah, it means Jesus is God and to be WORSHIPED, as the JW Bible even admits.As a former ordained minister, were you ever made aware of what the word “worship” can mean in a broader sense, scripturally?......
As a former ordained minister, were you ever made aware of what the word “worship” can mean in a broader sense, scripturally?......as used in the Hebrew and Greek it has two definitions.....this word can denote worship, but can also be applied to reverent acts other than worship. However, the context determines in what way the respective words are to be understood.
The Greek word pro·sky·neʹo corresponds closely to the Hebrew term hish·ta·chawahʹ in expressing the thought of obeisance and, at times, worship. The term pro·sky·neʹo is used in connection with a slave’s doing obeisance to a king (Matt 18:26) as well as the act Satan stipulated when he offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. (Matt 4:8-9) Had he done obeisance to the Devil, Jesus would thereby have signified submission to Satan and made himself the Devil’s servant.
So “pro·sky·neʹo” can be rendered either “worship” when it is directed to God, or “obeisance” when directed to a human being. It basically denotes a bowing down to someone in respectful honor.....in Bible times it was often directed to fellow humans as a greeting.....or it can mean rendering to God the worship he requires of his servants. Not necessarily bowing down physically, but always approaching God with a humble spirit in reverence and honor.
To a Samaritan woman Christ Jesus said: “The hour is coming when neither in this mountain [Gerizim] nor in Jerusalem will you people worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know . . . Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:21-24)
The words of Jesus clearly showed that true worship would not depend upon the presence or use of visible things or a specific geographical location. Instead of relying on sight or touch, the true worshiper exercises faith and, regardless of the place or things about him, maintains a worshipful attitude. Thus he worships, not with the aid of something that he can see or touch, but with spirit. Since he has the truth as revealed by God, his worship is in agreement with that truth. Having become acquainted with God through the Bible and evidence of the operation of God’s spirit in his life, the person who worships with spirit and truth definitely “knows” who or what he is worshiping. (John 17:3)
What was given to Jesus the man therefore, was obeisance, not worship, because he is not and never was, God in the flesh. He had to be 100% mortal human to give his life as a ransom for mankind. An immortal God cannot die.
Jesus rendered “worship” to his God, but would have recoiled at receiving worship himself. “Obeisance” was not rejected however, because he was the divine “son of God” and deserving of the respect given his unique position.
What are your thoughts?
What was given to Jesus the man therefore, was obeisance, not worship, because he is not and never was, God in the flesh.
Ok, we know that Jesus was the Word, and in the above it says that the Word was God, i.e., Jesus was God. Seems pretty plain and clear to me "the Word was God"; it’s just that the traditions of men have skewed the truth, and men love men’s words more than God’s Word.John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (KJV)
Thomas called Jesus "my God" and was commended for believing it. Jesus was called "the mighty God" and the "everlasting Father" in the Old Testament; Jesus said that He was God. But yet many Christians somehow do not know that Jesus was God in the flesh.The Prophecy:
Isa 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. (KJV)
The fulfillment of the Prophecy:
Matt 1:23
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. (KJV)
Even the unsaved Jews knew that Jesus was calling Himself God, why don’t saved Christians today know it; whence cometh that spirit?Documentation:
John 20:27-29
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (KJV)
Isa 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (KJV)
John 14:8-9
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? (KJV)
He is God, and they killed His flesh body for it. The Jews of time had twisted the Old Testament religion of the Hebrews for their own ends, they left out God; and when He came, as it was prophesied in the Hebrew Old Testament Scriptures, they killed Him.John 10:30-33
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (KJV)
Destroy the works of the devil.I want to know what was the profit of having God come down to be a man. What did that accomplish?
Your answer on this subject is brilliant. In your honor I will say this...Destroy the works of the devil.
The answer I gave you did not come from me, it came from the Spirit.Your answer on this subject is brilliant. In your honor I will say this...
The Son of God is my God.P.S. It says the Son of God did that...
1 John 3:8
...For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
You are new here I see, and your username is antagonistic before you say anything.You know, over a very long period of time, I have observed, that more than the majority
of all the opinions I have heard or read, turned out to be wrong.
That is why I very seldom form an opinion of anything and only inquire of it from God.
I again appeal to the Greek....the language of the Christian scriptures....Ok, we know that Jesus was the Word, and in the above it says that the Word was God, i.e., Jesus was God. Seems pretty plain and clear to me "the Word was God"; it’s just that the traditions of men have skewed the truth, and men love men’s words more than God’s Word.
Again I have to ask is this a statement of the deity of Christ? His name was prophetically called “Immanuel” but he was never called that was he? Gabriel told Mary he was to be named Jesus.Jesus was God in the flesh, His name Immanuel even means "God with us." Jesus is the Greek for the Hebrew Yehoshuawhich means "Yehovah the Savior."
Thomas called Jesus what the word “theos” means in Greek.....”a divine mighty one”....who is not necessarily Yahweh.Thomas called Jesus "my God" and was commended for believing it. Jesus was called "the mighty God" and the "everlasting Father" in the Old Testament; Jesus said that He was God. But yet many Christians somehow do not know that Jesus was God in the flesh.
They did not ever accuse Jesus of claiming to be God....no Jew would ever have accepted that God would appear in the flesh....he would never have to.....because God cannot die and so he could not pay the redemption price to save the human race from Adam’s deadly inheritance. Only a sinless mortal could do that and that is why Jesus was “sent” by his God and Father to complete his mission.Even the unsaved Jews knew that Jesus was calling Himself God, why don’t saved Christians today know it; whence cometh that spirit?
Mere humans cannot kill an immortal God....what a preposterous idea!He is God, and they killed His flesh body for it. The Jews of time had twisted the Old Testament religion of the Hebrews for their own ends, they left out God; and when He came, as it was prophesied in the Hebrew Old Testament Scriptures, they killed Him.
Antagonistic to the children of God or the children of the devil?You are new here I see, and your username is antagonistic before you say anything.
.Thomas called Jesus what the word “theos” means in Greek.....”a divine mighty one”....who is not necessarily Yahweh.
Jesus was/is God and He stated so. While it is somewhat obscured in our English translations, the Jews knew full well that Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh (for Jesus spoke to everyone in their native tongue, therefore when Jesus told them in Hebrew that He was the "I AM," what He was saying was 'EHaYEH , or the title fully stated 'EhaYEH aSHER 'EYaYEH which means: I AM THAT I AM, or I will be what I want to be –— I exist (by self), self existent, God Almighty, created by none, but simply became –— was –— is. To this day, Jews will not pronounce 'EHaYEH , for they reason that for a Hebrew in the Hebrew tongue, to say the name 'EHaYEH, is itself calling oneself God.Exod 3:14
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. (KJV)
The difference is I am always correct or I do not post it.Your posts are like many others on Internet forums whose attitude is “my way or the highway” when it comes to discussing topics of an emotionally charged nature.
He is God, and they killed His flesh body for it. The Jews of time had twisted the Old Testament religion of the Hebrews for their own ends, they left out God; and when He came, as it was prophesied in the Hebrew Old Testament Scriptures, they killed Him.John 10:30-33
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (KJV)
There is no sin with telling the truth, even before it occurs.Since Jesus taught his disciples that they were to be respectful of others, you seem to push that aside in favour of telling everyone before they engage with you that they are wrong and you are always right.
If you feel that strongly about it, then may I suggest, you find something I have posted, thatsince there is no end of others who do the same, what makes you special? Who told you that you were right? You?
How about you cutting and pasting anything I have said that you believe I cannot prove.Or was it God’s spirit.....the same spirit who told all the others the same thing?
You need more than claim to prove that what you say is correct.
I don't need to read anything in any language.I again appeal to the Greek....the language of the Christian scriptures....
Read in Greek this verse does not say what is mistranslated by trinitarian translators.
None of this has any determination of me and my forth coming existence in my God, so I will sayAgain I have to ask is this a statement of the deity of Christ? His name was prophetically called “Immanuel” but he was never called that was he? Gabriel told Mary he was to be named Jesus.
Since the meaning of names was very important to the Jews “God with us” can simply mean that God was with the Jews by means of his son who never once said he was God incarnate. How was God “with “ his people, Israel after their release from slavery in Egypt? It was by means of his prophet Moses and it was also prophesied the “a prophet like Moses” would come and again lead God’s true worshippers out of slavery to an oppressive religious system.
A prince, is next in line to be the King when His Father turns it over to HimHe was also called “Prince of Peace”....so what is a “Prince”, but the son of a King?