Did Jesus claim to be God?

[Jack]

Does Satan get tormented forever?

Mind you…

All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.”

How can you torment nothing?

Seriously?

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Seriously?

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

My point exactly…

Ezekiel says the Devil will be no more and will be turned to ashes from within… Are we tormenting ashes….

 

[Jack]

My point exactly…

Ezekiel says the Devil will be no more and will be turned to ashes from within… Are we tormenting ashes….

You're totally twisting Jesus' Words.

 

[Truthnightmare]

You're totally twisting Jesus' Words.

You have spoken with me enough to know if I did it wasn’t intentional… I will review tomorrow, have a good night bro.

 

[Jack]

You have spoken with me enough to know if I did it wasn’t intentional… I will review tomorrow, have a good night bro.

Sleep well!

 

[TheHC]

I see what you are seeing…. But it is a idiom.
the 'torment for ever and ever' spoken of, for they will never ever be again, and the torment is them knowing prior to execution of judgment that they will forever be separated from God and denied eternal life in Heaven.

Revelation 21
and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Yet… you say pain will still exist throughout eternity. Those that don’t overcome will be blotted out… they never existed.

Yes, you’re right.

If you notice regarding death & Hell @ Revelation 20:14….
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”

You can’t torment death.

So what is this Lake of Fire? It represents getting rid of things forever. Whatever is “thrown in” there, is “no more”, which is what Revelation 21:4 says…”and death will be no more.”

Have a good day, my cousin.

 

[Fred J]

God the Father is

EVERYWHERE.

You didn't know that God is everywhere?

Did Jesus the Son share that, then give us the scripture quote ?

Rather, Jesus prayed, 'Our FATHER which art in Heaven, ............................' (Matt 6:9)

'..............................................., pray to thy FATHER which is in secret; ...........................................' (Matt 6:6)

 

[Spyder]

Do you worship Jesus?

Of course I do, as He is worthy to be praised. I also worship His Father who is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. The "only true God and His Son."

 

[Peterlag]

Sure He can, all things are possible with God.

That is not true. There are some things God cannot do. It seems logical to say that if God works with His own logic and science that He created, then there is stuff He simply cannot do. It seems clear He cannot lie. He probably cannot make a square circle. And if He is unlimited in goodness and wisdom, then He probably cannot be bad or unwise.

 

[GracePeace]

Exact same Greek Word, NEVER ending.

I've heard it interpreted "an age of", not "everlasting". NT Wright said this.
Paul refers to "ages to come".

This would make sense of Jesus's statement, "Whoever blasphemes the Spirit cannot be forgiven--he will not be forgiven in this age or in the age to come":
1) if all sin results in "never ending" torment, then there is no distinction between regular sins and the blasphemy of the Spirit, and
2) Jesus says "nor in the age to come"--the "unforgivable" sin seemingly remains distinct from other sins, in that it still cannot be forgiven, inferring others can be forgiven.

Also, in Luke 12, Jesus says that the ones who don't know better, but did something worthy of a beating, will receive "few lashes", whereas those who knew their master's will, but did not prepare themselves, or do it, will receive "many lashes"--this speaks of durations of punishment.
Same as "it will be more tolerable for Sodom in the Day of Judgment"--ie, how can it be "more tolerable" if everyone's just going to be tormented "forever"?

Also, in Matthew 18, Jesus says that if you don't forgive, you will be sent to torment, and you won't get out until you have paid the uttermost farthing--meaning, being tormented is the way you will pay God what you owe, and there will arrive a time when you have finally paid your glory-debt to God (ie, you ought to have glorified God by doing good--instead, you are glorifying God by being an object of His wrath on your evil, which wrath on your evil brings Him glory).

 

[Truthnightmare]

That is not true. There are some things God cannot do. It seems logical to say that if God works with His own logic and science that He created, then there is stuff He simply cannot do. It seems clear He cannot lie. He probably cannot make a square circle. And if He is unlimited in goodness and wisdom, then He probably cannot be bad or unwise.

I agree..

That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

 

[Peterlag]

I agree..

That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

Can He be limited with qualities and properties in other ways? Well, I never thought God could have choices. I always thought of Him as being perfect and therefore His way was the only way. I just never thought of Him in any other way. I now believe Christianity is more about a personal God who gets involved with His creation and not about an idea or principle. For God to say yes to creating this particular world means God had to say no (we think) to other possibilities. And so putting all this together seems to suggest we have a Bible that literally portrays God as a personal agent, which implies a shared context for both God and humans.

This is really a big deal because now I know I also have choices on how and how deep I interact with Him. Jeremiah repeatedly speaks of the conditional "if" in connection to both the clay (Israel) and the Potter (God). If Israel repents, then God will relent. This type of relationship God offers His people is not one of control and domination, but rather one of an awesome love and vulnerability.

 

[URwrongAgain]

Did Jesus the Son share that, then give us the scripture quote ?

Rather, Jesus prayed, 'Our FATHER which art in Heaven, ............................' (Matt 6:9)

'..............................................., pray to thy FATHER which is in secret; ...........................................' (Matt 6:6)

Well, Yeah if God is everywhere, then would He not be also be in heaven?

Psalms 139:8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:
if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

 

[URwrongAgain]

Of course I do, as He is worthy to be praised. I also worship His Father who is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. The "only true God and His Son."

Matthew 4:10
for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Do you serve Jesus?

 

[URwrongAgain]

That is not true. There are some things God cannot do.

Then this is not true if what you said is true:
Matthew 19:26
but with God all things are possible.

 

[Peterlag]

Then this is not true if what you said is true:
Matthew 19:26
but with God all things are possible.

The context of Matthew 19:26 is referring to the rich man getting saved. God can figure out a way to work around that. But there are some things He cannot do. He cannot break His own laws. He cannot lie. Etc.

 

[URwrongAgain]

The context of Matthew 19:26 is referring to the rich man getting saved. God can figure out a way to work around that. But there are some things He cannot do. He cannot break His own laws. He cannot lie. Etc.

My faith in God to believe He can do anything, is greater than your faith
in God, to believe He can't do it.

 

[Fred J]

Well, Yeah if God is everywhere, then would He not be also be in heaven?

Psalms 139:8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:
if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Where's your quote as a witness, GOD is everywhere ?

 

[Truthnightmare]

Can He be limited with qualities and properties in other ways? Well, I never thought God could have choices. I always thought of Him as being perfect and therefore His way was the only way. I just never thought of Him in any other way. I now believe Christianity is more about a personal God who gets involved with His creation and not about an idea or principle. For God to say yes to creating this particular world means God had to say no (we think) to other possibilities. And so putting all this together seems to suggest we have a Bible that literally portrays God as a personal agent, which implies a shared context for both God and humans.

This is really a big deal because now I know I also have choices on how and how deep I interact with Him. Jeremiah repeatedly speaks of the conditional "if" in connection to both the clay (Israel) and the Potter (God). If Israel repents, then God will relent. This type of relationship God offers His people is not one of control and domination, but rather one of an awesome love and vulnerability.

Can He be limited with qualities and properties in other ways? Well, I never thought God could have choices. I always thought of Him as being perfect and therefore His way was the only way. I just never thought of Him in any other way. I now believe Christianity is more about a personal God who gets involved with His creation and not about an idea or principle. For God to say yes to creating this particular world means God had to say no (we think) to other possibilities. And so putting all this together seems to suggest we have a Bible that literally portrays God as a personal agent, which implies a shared context for both God and humans.

This is really a big deal because now I know I also have choices on how and how deep I interact with Him. Jeremiah repeatedly speaks of the conditional "if" in connection to both the clay (Israel) and the Potter (God). If Israel repents, then God will relent. This type of relationship God offers His people is not one of control and domination, but rather one of an awesome love and vulnerability.

Can He be limited with qualities and properties in other ways? Well, I never thought God could have choices. I always thought of Him as being perfect and therefore His way was the only way. I just never thought of Him in any other way. I now believe Christianity is more about a personal God who gets involved with His creation and not about an idea or principle. For God to say yes to creating this particular world means God had to say no (we think) to other possibilities. And so putting all this together seems to suggest we have a Bible that literally portrays God as a personal agent, which implies a shared context for both God and humans.

This is really a big deal because now I know I also have choices on how and how deep I interact with Him. Jeremiah repeatedly speaks of the conditional "if" in connection to both the clay (Israel) and the Potter (God). If Israel repents, then God will relent. This type of relationship God offers His people is not one of control and domination, but rather one of an awesome love and vulnerability.

A very insightful way of looking at our relationship with our creator.

This type of thinking allows one to consider Gods feelings...

 

[Truthnightmare]

Yes, you’re right.

If you notice regarding death & Hell @ Revelation 20:14….
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”

You can’t torment death.

So what is this Lake of Fire? It represents getting rid of things forever. Whatever is “thrown in” there, is “no more”, which is what Revelation 21:4 says…”and death will be no more.”

Have a good day, my cousin.

God is a consuming fire.. best wishes to you.