I sit here reading some of this with my own memories of Mormonism,its incredible blashemies and heresies...what would Satan do without the assistence of so many good "christians" in spreading his lies,deceptions and soul damning doctrines of devils,indeed what evil can exist and prosper without the benevolence of the "good" people wishing it well and godspeed...leading the lost to Hell in love for over 190 years.
Billy Graham site removes Mormon 'cult' reference
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So why don't you be like Graham and go out and preach the gospel to millions of people ..... instead of just bichn' at 10 people on a forum.
Show us how it is done Please.
And remember you cannot make even one mistake or you will get slammed by somebody.
Such lanquage from a fine upstanding christian...LOL i love it when one of you is has a melt down because one of your icons and gods is criticised....so tell me all that you know about Moronism and the damage it has done to your family...come on Arnie....tell me.
Tell me how at the age of 18 you were approached to do the work for your father....to go to the temple in Kensington Md and go through the rituals to atone for your father's sins so he could enter heaven and escape Hell.
Tell me how his mother and your Grandmother came to you and told you that your father had appeared to her in a dream begging her to get the "work" done for him so he coulod escape the torments of hell....come on Arnie...tell me.
Tell me reaction you got when you refused Arnie...come on Arnie,you know everything....a great christian like you...do you have family Arnie boy ? are you going to see them in heaven or are most of them lost to you because of damned (my own little contribution to the lanquage) heresy and lie now supported by somebody else's idea of a hero.....come on Arnie....tell me...dazzle me with your insight,wisdom and experience
Brother James
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Thankfully, you have not been appointed to judge who will be cast into hell, no matter how high the promotion you perceive God has given you. It's just as dangerous to place one's self on the pinnacle of judging men's immortal souls as it is to be a deceived Mormon, it seems to me. In fact, it seems luciferian to me.
Franklin Graham has said: “We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign.”
Precisely the kind of nonsensical rubbish I'm reading from people on this website. I take the man at his word, but of course I'm just a lowly man who can't peer into men's souls like others.
It seems like your only purpose is to offend other Christians who might disagree with you in the ugliest terms possible. You really should look at that, because it might be as big a sin as all the ones you're sniffing out in others. The aspersions you are casting on others in this thread are rude. Period.
I've seen your type on these boards for years. You troll and you incite, and then you sit back smugly and arrogantly feeling superior. It seems that the folks on this board have you figured out precisely. That's good.
IMO by removing it the Grams did just that, made it a theological debate by reforming their sites stance on Mormonism.
I can't think of a better way to make it a theological debate. Had they not removed it and simply said we support Romney they would have been like all the other pasters in the country preaching a pro Rep vote. Franklens statement just doesn't add up.
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I have no concern over who i offend in regard to sin and false religion...Jesus told me to cut off a body part if it would lead me to hell so i'm not the least bit concerned about you or what offends you.....you are a typical modern "christian" and everything is negotiable....a "christian" that does not want to "participate in a theological debate" of course you take him at his word because neither one of you take God at his word.
The bible says "thou shall not" or you will be cast into hell, but you and your kind say hear different points of veiw,form a consensus and a personal philosophy,do your own thing and what seems right to you... but make sure you are nice about it and God will ignore his own word and law and say come on in anyway i need nice guys like you in my heaven,in one of your post you say we will all find out where we stand someday...a dazzling display of biblical ignorance.The bible supports no such casual philosophy of life,the bible says that Jesus is the way,the truth and the life and that no man can be saved apart from faith in Jesus.I understand that you are also ignorant of Mormon teachings as well so i will inform you that is not what Mormons teach....but hey...we'll all find out in the end so what the heck and truth is relative and a matter of conveinence anyway
I did not incite anything but have only said that Morminism is a false religion leading people to Hell and if you actually knew anything about it or the bible apart from the little happy happy joy joy verses you read over and over again you would know that and quit babbling and whinning about being offended.
A "christian" that does not want to "participate in a theological debate" now that is a classic....modern christianity has indeed reached new heights...if one reads the word of God and accepts it they realize there is no debate except among those who reject the word of God in favor of their own personal philosophy
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I particularly do not like people monkeying around with the word of God... Which the Mormon's do. I like the KJV and the Strong's Concordance to check further into the Greek/Hebrew meanings. I will vote Democratic for president and Republican for congress. A vote for Romney is to justify the Mormon faith... Which I cannot do.
I don't quite understand? Are you referring to me in your post or is your remark directed at the Grams and or Brother James?
I started this thread believing the Grams have made it a teleological debate. But it doesn't stop there, it's a compromise or reiteration of Mormons as a group of people that follow a false prophet as well as a diminished view of Christ. All that under the flag of supporting a presidential candidate under the same umbrella "christian values" Bit of an oxymoron IMO. Then the chief of staff is quoted that the Gram association doesn't want theology mixed with politics. If promoting the gospel has always been the focus of the BG Ass. then why did they give the Mormon faith a pass? Why not extend the same curtsy to abortion and gay marriage as well?
It's all becoming more clear now
This explains why Billy Gram removed the Mormon cult reference from his web site last week.
You can’t ask people "in full page adds" to vote biblical principles if your candidate is labeled a cultist on your web site.
The full-page ad in the Columbus Dispatch featured a black-and-white photo of the Rev. Billy Graham, with a brief text burned into the dark background in white letters over Graham’s signature.
“On Nov. 6, the day before my 94th birthday,” read Graham’s message, “our nation will hold one of the most critical elections in my lifetime. We are at a crossroads and there are profound moral issues at stake. I strongly urge you to vote for candidates who support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman, protect the sanctity of life and defend our religious freedoms. The Bible speaks clearly on these crucial issues. Please join me in praying for America, that we will turn out hearts back toward God.”
This explains why Billy Gram removed the Mormon cult reference from his web site last week.
You can’t ask people "in full page adds" to vote biblical principles if your candidate is labeled a cultist on your web site.
The full-page ad in the Columbus Dispatch featured a black-and-white photo of the Rev. Billy Graham, with a brief text burned into the dark background in white letters over Graham’s signature.
“On Nov. 6, the day before my 94th birthday,” read Graham’s message, “our nation will hold one of the most critical elections in my lifetime. We are at a crossroads and there are profound moral issues at stake. I strongly urge you to vote for candidates who support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman, protect the sanctity of life and defend our religious freedoms. The Bible speaks clearly on these crucial issues. Please join me in praying for America, that we will turn out hearts back toward God.”
Yes, it was Oral Roberts and I think it was about 9 million dollars.
I don't know about the Protestants, but I only have one "Papa". God the Father.
Matt 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
I agree Hammer. In additions, he does not run the website and he does not have enough energy to contest what people are saying that he said. At his age and in fragile health, he can be easily manipulated for photo ops and sound bites.
I don't think it is cool if he said there are other ways to the Father besides Jesus. It does not matter how famous a man can become inside and outside of Christianity, we should never be a "respecter of persons" and should always fear God and be careful about setting up idols of men in our hearts.
Axehead
It's all becoming more clear now
This explains why Billy Gram removed the Mormon cult reference from his web site last week.
You can’t ask people "in full page adds" to vote biblical principles if your candidate is labeled a cultist on your web site.
The full-page ad in the Columbus Dispatch featured a black-and-white photo of the Rev. Billy Graham, with a brief text burned into the dark background in white letters over Graham’s signature.
“On Nov. 6, the day before my 94th birthday,” read Graham’s message, “our nation will hold one of the most critical elections in my lifetime. We are at a crossroads and there are profound moral issues at stake. I strongly urge you to vote for candidates who support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman, protect the sanctity of life and defend our religious freedoms. The Bible speaks clearly on these crucial issues. Please join me in praying for America, that we will turn out hearts back toward God.”
Biblical principles do not a christian or christian nation make,modern christianity has taught America and Americans that they can cut a deal with God by throwing him a bone every now and then.....you can sing "God bless America" to your heart's content....no nation has ever been more ripe for judgement and destruction than we are....i hope i die before it happens because it will be Hell on earth in the good ole US of A when it happens.
And lets not forget sodomy is now legal(gay marriage),Alot of states now support themselves with gambling money,Prayer in schools is illegal,We routinely drop bombs on innocent women and children.Vengance is mine sayith the Lord.
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Read any biography of Billy Graham. Despite his magnificent accomplishments for the advancement of the Kingdom of God, the man has one great Achilles heel. That weakness is to be buddies with the President of the United States.
For most of his ministry, Graham was often welcome in the White House. He was one of the staunchest supporters of Richard Nixon even when it was proven that the President was a liar and a crook. After Nixon left in disgrace, Graham retreated from his desire to be present at Presidential banquets and personal appointments with the big kahuna. But the desire was always there - is still there. For good or ill, Billy Graham's influence still contributes mightily to the attitudes of the organization that bears his name.
It can be reasoned that the Graham organization has taken Mormonism off the cult list simply because they want to embrace the new white guy in the Oval office.
Except that a white guy will not sit in the highest office again for a long time - a very long time.
but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
For most of his ministry, Graham was often welcome in the White House. He was one of the staunchest supporters of Richard Nixon even when it was proven that the President was a liar and a crook. After Nixon left in disgrace, Graham retreated from his desire to be present at Presidential banquets and personal appointments with the big kahuna. But the desire was always there - is still there. For good or ill, Billy Graham's influence still contributes mightily to the attitudes of the organization that bears his name.
It can be reasoned that the Graham organization has taken Mormonism off the cult list simply because they want to embrace the new white guy in the Oval office.
Except that a white guy will not sit in the highest office again for a long time - a very long time.
but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
I do not want to speak against a man of God but billy graham is going to have to answer for this heresy and blood will be dripping from his hands whe he stands before Jesus our Christ!
Having lived amoung man Mormons for the last 12 years I agree with Mr. Grahm taking them off the cult list. I believe most of them are just as saved as your average baptist.
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Mormonism flies in the face of the revealed intent of God in His Bible. That Mormons are good folk cannot be argued. They are a very moral people, yet good morals and kind works DO NOT win entrance into paradise. Only the blood of Christ upon the cross of calvary will do that and only if accepted.
Mormons follow a false gospel and the teaching of a false leader (J. Smith). They decorate their places of worship in pagan icons and symbols that any Christian with an elementary education would recognize as heresy and an insult to the good precepts of scripture.
Did you know, for example, that Mormons believe their forebears originated on the planet/star Kolob? Google it. Christians believe that our forebears came from Adam and Eve in a garden on PLANET EARTH.
Did you know that Mormons believe all men were pre-existant with God before their birth on earth? That is demonic theology of the lowest sort. ONLY Jesus Christ lived with God before the foundation of the world and His birth here. Look it up.
What about the Mormon magic underwear? I'll let you google that kind of weirdness.
It is faith in Jesus Christ and Him alone that saves and protects, not works, not morality and not magic underwear (underwear for Superman perhaps, but not for the rest of humanity). Man's goodness will win respect with other men, but not with God. Look it up. This is the key point of difference and what makes Mormonism a cult - NOT CHRISTIAN.
Seek the truth and embrace it - unless of course you only want to suck up to man and not God.
but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
Its just coming from somebody who has already said they value feelings over the word
Brother James
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In Colossians 4:16 Paul implies that he wrote a letter from Laodicea. That letter seems to have been lost. 1 Corinthians 5:9 references a letter Paul wrote to the Corinthians before 1 Corinthians. So it seems that 1 Corinthians was really his second letter to them. Some argue that 2 Corinthians 2:3-4 also refers to a letter that has been lost to the ages, though that one might be referring to 1 Corinthians. In any case, the other references make it clear that not every word written down by Paul was scripture. Heck, he was a very literate guy. He might have written down one of his mother's recipes on a papyrus, but that wouldn't make it scripture.
I'll pray for you Strat, because your need to be rude and offensive to other people like this tells me that you are in desperate need of prayer. To tell another Christian he has no problem with leading people to Hell is actually to hurl offence at God's own children and, perhaps, the Holy Spirit Himself. You seem to think that is great sport. But these remarks you make say far more about the darkness in your own soul than they do about the people you judge and insult. Think about that, and perhaps pray about it. I sure will.
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