Mentality Without Spirituality

MatthewG · Jun 7, 2025

Behold said:
Of course.

Listen, the way you can show a druggie the Light, = the way out......is by giving them hope that there is a way out.

"look at me". "Look at what JESUS did for me.....and He can do it for you".

The worst part of being a "Hard Drug" user, is that after a while, there is no real "High", or pleasure......its just......>"OMG, i have to get more or i feel like im going to DIE".

Who has faith?

Everyone has "the measure of faith".
Everyone believes ..., and if they take that faith and give it to God, trusting in Christ then He will give them Eternal Life.

Not everyone has faith in God though. God exist in all people, but some people ignore him all together. It's called Faithlessness.

If you believe you have the right to go around judging people, by all means do as you please, but I believe you are seriously in error at least in my opinion which accounts for very little.

Behold · Jun 7, 2025

MatthewG said:
Last time I checked, it was Yahavah, who is gonna judge the hearts, but people love to be God, or play God, as the judge.

If you have a NT, then study Paul's theology..

He told us......>"""He that is Spiritual......JUDGETH ALL Things"""". 1 Corin

= This is Spiritual Discernment.....its the Believer's inner compass and revealer that allows a Christian to hear, "Lies", and "Traps", and understand when a Deceiver is near them...on a Forum, or in a Pulpit or in a commentary on in a Youtube video or online site, or in their own family.
Its also the only way to get revelation from the word of God......as the bible is ""spiritually discerned"..

Behold · Jun 7, 2025

MatthewG said:
Not everyone has faith in God though.

Paul teaches that we "all have the measure of Faith".

This means we are all able to believe in something.

Like.........

Buddhism
Scientology
Islam
Preterism
Calvinism
MaryCult.

See, people that are "into those cults", are BELIEVING IT......

God says "give your Faith in Christ TO ME"....... not to those false theologies.

Paul says.....>"be a follower of me".....= what i teach...and how my Ministry worked.. and how My walk of faith was explained.

MatthewG said:
God exist in all people,

Never does God exist in All People, because God is The Holy Spirit, and only the CHRISTIAN, has become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".

MatthewG said:
If you believe you have the right to go around judging people, by all means do as you please,

On a Fourm, what i do, is notice what a person is TEACHING........as this is their "Spiritual Fruit"........found on a Forum.
So, if they teach packs of Cross Rejecting Lies....that are "cult teaching"...then that is proof of their Deception.
Does this prove they are not really a Christian?
That is the interesting question......isn't it...

MatthewG · Jun 7, 2025

Behold said:
If you have a NT, then study Paul's theology..

He told us......>"""He that is Spiritual......JUDGETH ALL Things"""". 1 Corin

= This is Spiritual Discernment.....its the Believer's inner compass and revealer that allows a Christian to hear, "Lies", and "Traps", and understand when a Deceiver is near them...on a Forum, or in a Pulpit or in a commentary on in a Youtube video or online site, or in their own family.
Its also the only way to get revelation from the word of God......as the bible is ""spiritually discerned"..

And?

if you want to be a judge, go to law school.

MatthewG · Jun 7, 2025

Behold said:
Paul teaches that we "all have the measure of Faith".

This means we are all able to believe in something.

Like.........

Buddhism
Scientology
Islam
Preterism
Calvinism
MaryCult.

See, people that are "into those cults", are BELIEVING IT......

God says "give your Faith in Christ TO ME"....... not to those false theologies.

Paul says.....>"be a follower of me".....= what i teach...and how my Ministry worked.. and how My walk of faith was explained.

Never does God exist in All People, because God is The Holy Spirit, and only the CHRISTIAN, has become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".

On a Fourm, what i do, is notice what a person is TEACHING........as this is their "Spiritual Fruit"........found on a Forum.
So, if they teach packs of Cross Rejecting Lies....that are "cult teaching"...then that is proof of their Deception.
Does this prove they are not really a Christian?
That is the interesting question......isn't it...

God does exist in all people. We are all offsprings of God created in his image. People have a fond of the notion of God exist, most of them aren't spiritually awaken in Christ yet. Which is when we actually become his children.

rockytopva · Jun 7, 2025

I say! Don't become so wise that you miss out on the important little things..

25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. - Matthew 11

talons · Jun 7, 2025

MatthewG said:
Well I'm thankful to not use meth anymore.

Praise God !

MatthewG said:
But I can't go around and tell all the other drug abusers to stop using it.

You can tell them it is possible to stop using , something they may have not considered and then you can tell them how you stopped using . Share the love of God with them .

rockytopva · Jun 7, 2025

All of my years running spectrometers I have come to believe that if E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff... And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma --- And bang! Back to plasma!
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, and a mind to study these things
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

If someones dwells in the correct spiritual energy and light there will be no need for external comforts. It will be all there for you. You will find no need for anything else. The Bible also refers to the Holy Spirit as a comforter. I need him every day!

MatthewG · Jun 7, 2025

talons said:
Praise God !

You can tell them it is possible to stop using , something they may have not considered and then you can tell them how you stopped using . Share the love of God with them .

My friends own mother, told me that he wasn't going to stop using meth. He knows God, and can think for himself. Just like I can.

Has he stopped? I don't know, I don't associate with him anymore. I cant.

talons · Jun 7, 2025

MatthewG said:
He knows God, and can think for himself.

How was your thinking when you were on meth ? He does not "know" God like we do as Christians , not possible .

MatthewG said:
Just like I can.

Yes ! You can think now because you have the mind of Christ but your friend does not .

MatthewG · Jun 7, 2025

talons said:
How was your thinking when you were on meth ? He does not "know" God like we do as Christians , not possible .

I knew what God would desire me to do. I wasn't oblivious. Believe on the Son he had Sent, in faith, and love your neighbor as yourself.

I wouldn't want anyone bothering me about it. I had to make my own choice. So now I have to let him go. In Yahwehs hands.

talons said:
Yes ! You can think now because you have the mind of Christ but your friend does not .

I hope he resolves his self. Yahweh will take care of him.

rockytopva · Jun 7, 2025

Comparing the light and the darkness, the opposite of E/c2 would be z (absolute zero)/ d (darkness)...

Natural z/d - Nothing, empty space.
Mental z/d - Again nothing but empty space.
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

Spiritual z/d... Or a big fat hole in the heart.... And God identifies the causes...

Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart. - Hosea 4:11

MatthewG · Jun 7, 2025

Hello @rockytopva,

What you posted reminds me of the two types of wisdom James wrote about. It's what all should commonly accept is within us to do.

James 3:13-18

New Living Translation

True Wisdom Comes from God
13 If you are wise and understand God’s ways, prove it by living an honorable life, doing good works with the humility that comes from wisdom.

14 But if you are bitterly jealous and there is selfish ambition in your heart, don’t cover up the truth with boasting and lying.

15 For jealousy and selfishness are not God’s kind of wisdom. Such things are earthly, unspiritual, and demonic.

16 For wherever there is jealousy and selfish ambition, there you will find disorder and evil of every kind.

17 But the wisdom from above is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others.

It is full of mercy and the fruit of good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere.

18 And those who are peacemakers will plant seeds of peace and reap a harvest of righteousness.[a]

It also reminds me of what Yeshua said,

Mark 7

New Living Translation

Jesus Teaches about Inner Purity
17 Then Jesus went into a house to get away from the crowd, and his disciples asked him what he meant by the parable he had just used.

18 “Don’t you understand either?” he asked. “Can’t you see that the food you put into your body cannot defile you?

19 Food doesn’t go into your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then goes into the sewer.” (By saying this, he declared that every kind of food is acceptable in God’s eyes.)

20 And then he added, “It is what comes from inside that defiles you.

21 For from within, out of a person’s heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder,

22 adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness.

23 All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you.”

rockytopva · Jun 7, 2025

MatthewG said:
Hello @rockytopva,

What you posted reminds me of the two types of wisdom James wrote about. It's what all should commonly accept is within us to do.

James 3:13-18

New Living Translation

It also reminds me of what Yeshua said,

Mark 7

New Living Translation

There are even subtle little things that take away the heart...

Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes. - Song of Solomon 2:15

A little fox that runs in my world is the news and politics. I try to avoid them all together but even on blank screens these days they seem to draw you into the darkened world. Even at work! They are promoting uneducated people into higher positions. These people get enormous egos that are difficult for me to deal with. Most of the time I stop... Give them a smile... And keep on going! As I know their conversations are going to take me places I don't want to go.

rockytopva · Jun 7, 2025

Wernher von Braun, the famous rocket scientist, mentions being invited to church to be met up with a vibrant community. He does not mention church affiliation, only that, "these people make a live, vibrant community."

One day in Fort Bliss, a neighbor called and asked if I would like to go to church with him. I accepted, because I wanted to see if the American church was just a country club as I'd been led to expect. Instead, I found a small, white frame building... in the hot Texas sun on a browned-grass lot... Together, these people make a live, vibrant community. This was the first time I really understood that religion was not a cathedral inherited from the past, or a quick prayer at the last minute. To be effective, a religion has to be backed up by discipline and effort. - Wernher von Braun

Kokyu · Tuesday at 8:12 AM

rockytopva said:
“A great challenge of life: Knowing enough to think you are right, but not knowing enough to know you are wrong.”- Neil Tyson

"Most people know enough about religion to make themselves miserable. But not enough to do anybody any good," - James Baldwin

I'm sorry to have to say this, but, though these statements sound clever, in reality, they're actually pretty foolish.

How much, or what kind of, knowledge is sufficient to allow one to be confident one is right? Tyson doesn't say. Well, how does Tyson know that his statement isn't susceptible to itself, then? Maybe he's made the statement about the "great challenge of life" because he doesn't know enough to know its wrong. But if this is the case, we ought to ignore his statement, right? His statement, then, is self-refuting.

How does James Baldwin know what "most people" know about religion? And how does he know that most people only know enough to make themselves miserable and to do no one else any good? And what religion is he talking about? They aren't all the same. Baldwin's statement assumes knowledge he can't possibly possess and from it makes a sweeping generality. This is what the racist or bigot does in his thinking.

rockytopva · Tuesday at 11:30 AM

Kokyu said:
I'm sorry to have to say this, but, though these statements sound clever, in reality, they're actually pretty foolish.

How much, or what kind of, knowledge is sufficient to allow one to be confident one is right? Tyson doesn't say. Well, how does Tyson know that his statement isn't susceptible to itself, then? Maybe he's made the statement about the "great challenge of life" because he doesn't know enough to know its wrong. But if this is the case, we ought to ignore his statement, right? His statement, then, is self-refuting.

How does James Baldwin know what "most people" know about religion? And how does he know that most people only know enough to make themselves miserable and to do no one else any good? And what religion is he talking about? They aren't all the same. Baldwin's statement assumes knowledge he can't possibly possess and from it makes a sweeping generality. This is what the racist or bigot does in his thinking.

Doctrine vs spirituality...

First Covenant - And there arose another generation after them, which knew not the Lord, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel. 0 And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the Lord, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel. - Judges 2

Time after time in the Old Testament we have generations arising that would reject God all together. In Jesus's time the religious generation would serve God seemingly perfectly, with no talk of idol worship, but Jesus would grieve time and time over the generation...

5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. - Mark 7

And in America's every generation seems unique. The Virginia Pentecostal Holiness and Methodist churches, at one time very revived churches, seem to have come and went with the generation. The Methodist church with the Roaring 1920s. The Pentecostal along with my generation. Same doctrine... Very much a different people.

Kokyu · Tuesday at 1:24 PM

rockytopva said:
Doctrine vs spirituality...

First Covenant - And there arose another generation after them, which knew not the Lord, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel. 0 And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the Lord, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel. - Judges 2

Time after time in the Old Testament we have generations arising that would reject God all together. In Jesus's time the religious generation would serve God seemingly perfectly, with no talk of idol worship, but Jesus would grieve time and time over the generation...

5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. - Mark 7

And in America's every generation seems unique. The Virginia Pentecostal Holiness and Methodist churches, at one time very revived churches, seem to have come and went with the generation. The Methodist church with the Roaring 1920s. The Pentecostal along with my generation. Same doctrine... Very much a different people.

I see. Okay. Um... what does this all have to do with the quotations that you posted? I'm not seeing the connection...

rockytopva · Tuesday at 2:21 PM

Kokyu said:
I see. Okay. Um... what does this all have to do with the quotations that you posted? I'm not seeing the connection...

Just because you know doctrine does not mean anything from a spiritual standpoint. I have seen wonderful and terrible people come out of the same frame of mind.

Kokyu · Tuesday at 4:58 PM

rockytopva said:
Just because you know doctrine does not mean anything from a spiritual standpoint. I have seen wonderful and terrible people come out of the same frame of mind.

Can you explain what you think the difference is between knowing doctrine and being spiritual?

What frame of mind do you mean, exactly?

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