Yes, there are people throughout the Church, holding every stripe of doctrine, who are guilty of gross, persistent sin. This is not the condition only of those who hold to OSAS. I don't know, though, any person who holds to OSAS - and I know many hundreds of them personally - who are mired in sin and ignore biblical injunctions to holiness. I say this because the thinking on this thread by those who hold to a saved-and-lost/works-salvation view seems to be that every OSAS proponent is a devilish antinomian, or that OSAS disposes people to sin far more than any other salvation doctrine. This just isn't the case. In fact, if someone has used OSAS in this way, it is because they don't understand the Gospel, or the love of God, not because they are eager to abuse their eternal security in Jesus Christ (which I seriously doubt they'd actually possess).
I agree. In fact, for a few decades now, at least, in North America, I believe the majority of people in a church on Sunday morning are not saved. The Church has been warped into a "hospital for the sin-sick," and a place for the "seeker" to find God, and an industry and, as a result, the Church is crammed with false converts/consumers - and the spiritually poisonous "leaven" they bring with them (1 Co. 5:6; Ga. 5:9).
A "judge not" attitude is not a feature of OSAS. As I said, I've held to, and taught, OSAS for decades and I've never thought that one's eternal security somehow meant one ought never to judge a thing as sinful. I've taught that the only sort of judging that the Bible forbids is the hypocritical kind (Ro. 2), the kind where the one who's judging is doing so with a "log" sticking out of their own eye (Matt. 7:4-5). Also, I think the Bible forbids judging of a sort that condemns a person as irredeemable, or doomed irretrievably to hell. Only once they're dead is the question of an unsaved person's eternal destination set. Until then, there's always hope.
Jesus himself said to "judge righteous judgment" (Jn. 7:24). Really, there's no way to be a thinking person and not make judgments. As soon as I say, "This is better than that," or "This is true and that is false," or "You ought not to do that. Do this instead," I'm making judgments, right? Anyway, there is no being godly without careful assessment of one's desires, thinking and conduct, comparing these things to the "straight line" of God's Truth to see if there's "crookedness" in them. And if there is, one must absolutely forsake that "crookedness" for the "straightness" of the "line" of God's Truth. We are to be holy as God is holy and OSAS does not say otherwise.
Well, there's far more than calling sin what it is that has to go on before the Church in North America regains its spiritual health and power. But it's definitely part of what MUST happen if the Chruch is to be restored.
Well, this is all tied into the "seeker-sensitive" garbage that Rick Warren and his ilk foisted upon the North American church in the 90's. Woke ideology has also seeped into the Church heightening the "don't offend anyone" approach to Christian living. The net effect has been to make the Church a deeply compromised, worldly and weak thing that the lost find increasingly disgusting and irrelevant.
Sometimes, though, the Christians who are most frustrated with themselves, with their own inability to overcome sin in their lives, are the most eager to point a critical, condemning finger at fellow believers and the Church in general. This is called "projection" and I've seen many men I've discipled over the years migrate into this sort of thing (and out of it, eventually, as they go deeper with God).
Galatians 6:1
1 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in a fault, you who are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering yourself, lest you also be tempted.
2 Timothy 2:24-26
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
I agree. In fact, for a few decades now, at least, in North America, I believe the majority of people in a church on Sunday morning are not saved. The Church has been warped into a "hospital for the sin-sick," and a place for the "seeker" to find God, and an industry and, as a result, the Church is crammed with false converts/consumers - and the spiritually poisonous "leaven" they bring with them (
1 Co. 5:6; Ga. 5:9).
SPOT ON RIGHT my friend . THIS IS The KEY that has led and is now leading
all within christendom who continue down this road RIGHT to that which is of anti christ .
JUDGE NOT worked and did its work
And now the mantra is and has become JUDGE NOT , when even the false religoins are called out as false
Soon this world will reap exactly what it sowed too my friend .
And seeing i desire the death of none but rather their repentance.
GUESS WHO i am gonna preach with , and YES WITH , the dire reminder ITS TOTALLY absolutely necessary
to BELEIVE ON HIM or YE WILL SURELY PERISH , SURELY DIE in your sins
and ALL the so called works and fake love one does , WILL NOT SAVE THEM .
I dont think folks realize something .
I could myself feed the poor and do things that are good . BUT IF I CALL GOD A LIAR , I PROMISE US ALL
I DO NOT KNOW HIM and HIS wrath abides upon me still .
And if i were to dare to make JESUS into the minsitir of any sin , WELL that Darn sure aint JESUS i loved
It as another flesh feeder come of man and it cannot save .
SO lets ask ourselves a serious question today .
What do i mean if one does good things and yet calls GOD a liar THAT HE DOES NOT KNOW HIM
and what do i mean by THEY call HIM A LIAR .
No lie is of the truth . NO LIE is of the truth .
AND if one believes NOT the TESTMONY that GOD gave OF THE SON
Quite frankly i dont care if they cliam to KNOW GOD
to keep torah , to be a so called son of ishamael or even abraham . THEY ARE CALLING GOD A LIAR
DO NOT KNOW HIM and follow and serve ONLY satan .
NOW , dont expect those to who such a thing to be smiling with us IN PARADISE .
They will be wailing in damantion .
AND before anyone hollers JUDGE NOT to me
That i dont know their hearts , that there are good people in all religoins who serve GOD in their own way .
SHOW ME ONE . DO IT RIGHT NOW . SHOW ME ONE person WHO IS GOOD
and has NOT fallen far short of the GLORY of GOD . MEANWHILE , this sheep GONNA POINT TO THE ONLY ONE
who NEVER DID fall short and came TO SAVE US and TO RESTORE US TO GOD . HIS NAME BE JESUS CHRIST
and HE aint in the buisiness of holding rainbows or any other sin .
