Is it possible to lose salvation?

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amigo de christo

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God saves the same way with all of mankind.
Man cannot save himself apart from Grace.

If your teaching is Scripturally correct then all the Jews that died before Christ are lost.
They all died under the Mosaical law.
You teach no grace under the old covenant.
How can anyone go to heaven if Gods grace did not save them?

Moses is the beginning of the old covenant law.
Moses was saved by Gods grace.
Faith is what saved the Jews under the old law in the old covenant.
Since God required faith from the Jews it must be that Gods grace saved all of the old testament Jews who had faith in Him.

Whenever you read about faith there will always be Gods grace.
Faith by itself cannot save anyone!!! Only if Gods grace is given.

Paul teaches Jews under the old Mosaical law were saved by Grace through faith not by perfect law keeping. This does not cancel keeping the law if you lived under the old law. It means the law keeping itself could not merit salvation because the Jews were saved by Gods grace through faith.
Just as everyone is.
We today are under the new testament law of Christ, Galatians 6:2.
Are saved by grace through faith. But this does not mean the new law is not required.
In fact keeping the law is the only way to recieve Gods grace.
Jews had to obey Gods old testament law to be saved by grace but the law itself could not save.
The only way anyone could be saved by law keeping is one would have to live a perfect sinless life by keeping Gods law perfectly.
Jesus never violated the law of Moses. He kept the old law perfectly. That is why He was free from sin.
No man can accomplish this, therefore we need Gods mercy and grace to be saved.
No one in history has been given Gods grace that rebelled against obeying His law.
Again the law itself cannot save but since grace is conditional, the condition God has always given to receive His grace is keeping His commandments. Old law and New.
God knows we cannot keep His law perfectly. That is when Grace steps in and covers our sins.

Listen to Paul teach that all the old testament saints were saved by grace and faith,
Romans 4:16,
- Therefore it is of  faith that it might be by  grace to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed not to that only which is of the law but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham who is the father of us all

So, you are mistaken when you teach the old covenant was not grace based. That is unscriptual teaching.

Every covenant God made with man, man violated his covenant with God.
A covenant is a contract made between man and God.
The only way anyone could be saved is by Gods unmerited favor.(Grace)

Noah was saved by Grace. Every jew under the old law that died before Jesus was saved just as Noah by Gods grace through their obedient faith.
Genesis 6:8,
- but Noah found  grace in the eyes of the Lord


You must know the context to know what works Paul is discussing.
Works here is the works of the law of Moses.
No one is justified during the new testament dispensation from the works of the old law.
Why, Because the old law has been replaced with Christs new testament law.
This is the letter Romans. Romans is written to CHRISTIANS.
Christianity began when the old testament, old covenant, old law ENDED.
This is why Paul says not by works we obtain the righteousness of Jesus.

James teaching the works of the new testament law of Christ teaches these works which are the works in the gospel of Jesus Christ do justify.
James 2:24,
- ye see then how by that by works(new covenant, gospel) a man is justified and not by faith alone(apart from keeping new testament law, Galatians 6:2,
- bear ye one another's burdens and so fullfil(obey) the law of Christ (new testament law, Jesus' gospel)

Yes, Jesus dying for undeserving wicked sinners is definitely grace towards us.
But Jesus Himself taught He gives eternal life to those who believe who He is but also we must believe His word, which is His gospel.
John 5:24,
- verily I say unto you he that heareth(obeys) My word and believeth on Him that sent Me hath everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation but is passed from death unto life

So Gods grace is in His sacrifice but also His instruction in His gospel.

Gods grace is conditional on what He tells us to do in His word(gospel) if we do it.
The gospel teaches we must do Gods will to be saved.
To teach man does nothing is unscriptual teaching.

Acts 2:37,
-Now when they heard this they were pricked in their heart and said to Peter, and to the rest of the apostles, men and brethren what shall we do

Peter did not tell them what men teach today. He did not tell them there is nothing Jesus requires for them to do.

Acts 9:6,
- and Saul trembling and astonished said, Lord what wilt thou have me to do,
and the Lord said unto him, Arise and go into the city and it shall be told thee what thou must do

When God tells you, you MUST do something. Can you not do it and be saved?

Acts 10:6,
- he lodgeth with one Simon a tanner whose house is by the sea side he shall tell thee what thou oughest to do

Acts 16:30,
- and brought them out and said, Sirs what  must I  do to be saved

Did the Philippian Jailer have to do something?
Paul's response was not what men today teach.
He did not tell him, he was wrong, men do nothing Jesus requires nothing of man, Jesus does everything for you even the believing.

Acts 2:40,
- and with many other words did he testify and exhort saying, save yourselves from this untoward generation

No merit in salvation.
Works do not cancel out Gods grace.
And what does grace teach us . TO DENY ALL ungodliness and wordly lusts
Will anyone please remind me again OF WHY i see rainbow jesus , koran and budda kissing jesus .
And why on earth most all of christendom is now so in love with a love IT THINKS is of GOD
but is of THE WORLD and is leading them as one to merge right into that which is of anti christ . MAN its made the road
to GOD SO SO broad , a new sin added daily it seems . Even other religoins it says are on this road .
About the only thing that road of thier so called love does not seem to love
nor embrace , IS THE TRUTH , IS THE WORDS of GOD , of CHRIST . any word that exposes what they love most
IS a word they will and do reject . And what is it they love most . THEIR SIN .
 

amigo de christo

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Amen.

works do not Cancel Grace? hmm...:

"And if By Grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise Grace is no more Grace.​
But if it be of works, then is it no more Grace: otherwise work is no more work."​
(Romans 11:6 AV)​

Grace Through faith ( Ephesians 2:8:9... Titus, etc. ) is for God's Eternal Salvation!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

works (we all should (...v 10) do) merit "rewards" within God's Eternal Salvation (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV),
eh?:

Amen.
And now for a real simple question .
How does one know if the grace they beleive is grace is TRULY OF GOD
or was it satan tricking them into a false grace .
ANY grace that offers up A LIE that calls GOD A LIAR , IT AINT GRACE , NOR IS IT TRUTH
nor is it of GOD even if the devil calls it love .
SO i have one more quickie question for us all to ponder on until it becomes so darn
PLAIN this generation has fallen in love with a lie called love , ALARMS JUST RING RING RING
and we get up and do all to help this people .
HERE it is .

WHY o why are so many now in love with a lie . a lie that calls evil good , aka certain sins good
and calls truth , as being judgemntal and hateful .
WHY o why
are so many in love with a lie that has made the road to GOD so broad indeed under the guise that it is loving and is love .
ANYONE wanna try and even answer that . Interfaith is of anti christ . ITS KEY leaders HAVE DENIED HIM
THEY HAVE DENIED HIM and sold the false relgioins and sadly much of christendom a fat lie
THAT Implies Its not necessary to have had to BELEIVE ON JESUS as it hollers we gots good muslims
good peoples in all religoins who both know and serve GOD their own way .
SORRY DUDE . a LIE . ITS A LIE . THERE IS NONE who is GOOD but GOD
and as far as serving GOD there is only one TRUE WAY TO DO SO .
HE IS THE WAY , THE LIFE AND THE TRUTH . THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER and YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM . i rest my case
INTEFAITH IS OF THE DEVIL and we need to flee it and support it IN NO WAY but rather expose it and preach JESUS NOW .
 

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Yes, walking with God is a choice.

I'm not sure what you mean by "works are needed, though. They don't have the power to save anyone, right? This is what Ephesians 2:8-9, 2 Timothy 1:9 and Titus 3:5 all say very explicitly.

I agree that my faith is completed through corresponding action, but when James wrote that faith without this action is "dead," he didn't mean non-existent, or has been destroyed. He explained that he meant by a "dead faith" a faith that is alone, incomplete and useless. Nowhere in the entire letter by James, though, do I find the explicit statement that one must do good works in order to be saved.

James does ask if faith alone can save anyone but, as I've explained, faith has no salvific power; it only puts a person in position to be saved. So, then, the person who's thinking faith is what saves them is mistaken. But so is the one who thinks that their works save them. Only the Savior saves (Ac. 4:12; 1 Ti. 2:5; Jn. 14:6).
Not by themselves and no more or less than faith by itself.

Yes I the position to be saved and how does one get I that position. BOTH faith AND works.
 

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I sure do not think God would of told us to work out our salvation in fear and trembling if we could not loose our salvation. If we could not loose our salvation we would have no need to fear and tremble IMO

OSAS says to me get comfortable take it easy, you got this, you can loose, nothing fear and tremble about. You do not have to endure to the end.

Jesus and Jesus alone paid the price for our sins, we can do nothing to earn our way to heaven, but we sure can show how much we appreciate his sacrifice by enduring to the end, don't think those who take it from granted like OSAS suggest are going to endure to the end, hope I am wrong. We have responsibilty to show our Love and thankfulness to Jesus, we are in a battlefield while in the is earthly tent, never get comfortable as OSAS silently suggest.
 

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For by grace I have been saved by faith. Not if myself not if worjs

If it is grace it is no longer if works.

Now by works of righteousness which we have done but by his mercy

When you add works to grace you teach works

Works plus grace equals works

Your opening statement is full of pride

I rest my case again you teach works everyone sees it. I can just pray one day you see it
You are like the Jews in the desert. Yes saved by faith. That's not the same as faith alone.

I like how you think resting your case is supposed to mean anything to me
 

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You are like the Jews in the desert. Yes saved by faith. That's not the same as faith alone.

I like how you think resting your case is supposed to mean anything to me
And now for a real simple question .
How does one know if the grace they beleive is grace is TRULY OF GOD
or was it satan tricking them into a false grace .
ANY grace that offers up A LIE that calls GOD A LIAR , IT AINT GRACE , NOR IS IT TRUTH
nor is it of GOD even if the devil calls it love .
SO i have one more quickie question for us all to ponder on until it becomes so darn
PLAIN this generation has fallen in love with a lie called love , ALARMS JUST RING RING RING
and we get up and do all to help this people .
HERE it is .

WHY o why are so many now in love with a lie . a lie that calls evil good , aka certain sins good
and calls truth , as being judgemntal and hateful .
WHY o why
are so many in love with a lie that has made the road to GOD so broad indeed under the guise that it is loving and is love .
ANYONE wanna try and even answer that . Interfaith is of anti christ . ITS KEY leaders HAVE DENIED HIM
THEY HAVE DENIED HIM and sold the false relgioins and sadly much of christendom a fat lie
THAT Implies Its not necessary to have had to BELEIVE ON JESUS as it hollers we gots good muslims
good peoples in all religoins who both know and serve GOD their own way .
SORRY DUDE . a LIE . ITS A LIE . THERE IS NONE who is GOOD but GOD
and as far as serving GOD there is only one TRUE WAY TO DO SO .
HE IS THE WAY , THE LIFE AND THE TRUTH . THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER and YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM . i rest my case
INTEFAITH IS OF THE DEVIL and we need to flee it and support it IN NO WAY but rather expose it and preach JESUS NOW .
 

amigo de christo

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You are like the Jews in the desert. Yes saved by faith. That's not the same as faith alone.

I like how you think resting your case is supposed to mean anything to me
Folks act like paul and james contradicted each other . BUT OH NO they did not .
The only faith that saves BELEIVES what GOD has spoken .
not what men who try to twist it say .
James KNEW dead faith is DEAD
AND SO DID paul . HOW so
Watch this .
IF any provides Not for his own , A DOING action a works , Specially for those of his own household ................
wait for it .............................
wait ............
HE HAS DENIED THE FAITH . DEAD FAITH baby .
To DENY JESUS is deadly indeed only most seem to not understand
IF THEY DENY also HIS Words THEY HAVE DENIED HIM if even their lips say His name .
NOW ITS TRUE we are saved BY FAITH .
as clearly seen with the man dying on the cross next to JESUS .
BUT its very clear if that FAITH of theirs Aint producing good works but rather evil works
YEAH ITS DEAD baby . they lippers just as i once was .
 

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You are like the Jews in the desert. Yes saved by faith. That's not the same as faith alone.

I like how you think resting your case is supposed to mean anything to me
For it is HE who works in you that which is well pleasing IN HIS SIGHT .
True it is that if a man cometh to Christ on his death bed
Beleiving on HIM , faith in HIM they are saved .
But if one so called cometh and lips His name and says i do beleive
and yet day in and day out they walk in sins
their works be abominable as they hold rainbows or honor sins
Or if they even dare , dare to lip His NAME and say I beleive
BUT THEN DO as did ophrah and many and imply OH but its not necesarry for you . THEY DO THE WORK OF ANTI CHRIST
they just use his name TO DO IT .