Microchipped babies???

Mr.Bride · Jan 22, 2014

All European newborn Babies will be Microchipped from May 2014

By Vlad Dmitrievich | January 22, 2014 33 Comments
On May 2014, through Europe newborn children will be compelled to take in a subcutaneous RFID chip.

Public clinics in the European Union are to be alerted. The chip in inquiry will be contributed with the report sheet on the newborn.

This chip will also be an impressive GPS sensor that will task with a micro- disposable battery every 2 years in state clinics. GPS chip grants an edge of error of 5 meters, as a statement that it is excellent.

It will be linked straight to a satellite, which will guide the networks. As forecasted, this chip will be essential for all kids born after May 2014 , but with a present confirmation date until December 2016.

Is this true? If so maranatha.

Arnie Manitoba · Jan 22, 2014

Heard that it is not true .... it comes from the imaginations of the Illuminati conspiracy guys.

Mr.Bride · Jan 23, 2014

I don't know. I just seen a little piece on NBC just a while ago saying microchips by 2017. Their talking about it for sure. Somebody look it up. Mighty blessings

DaDad · Jan 23, 2014

Hi,

Revelation 13 says: "the right hand or the forehead". I would observe that these are associated, much like: salt & pepper; black & white; rich and poor; etc. As such, what is the basis of that association -- which excludes the LEFT HAND?!?

I would propose that ONLY the right hand is used in a palm scan; and of course the eyes are in forehead for a retinal scan. As such, one should expect that fulfillment.

DaDad

Raeneske · Jan 23, 2014

DaDad said:
Hi,

Revelation 13 says: "the right hand or the forehead". I would observe that these are associated, much like: salt & pepper; black & white; rich and poor; etc. As such, what is the basis of that association -- which excludes the LEFT HAND?!?

I would propose that ONLY the right hand is used in a palm scan; and of course the eyes are in forehead for a retinal scan. As such, one should expect that fulfillment.

DaDad

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

This does not refer to a microchip, but a spiritual mark of obedience either to God the Father or Satan. A mark on the right hand and/or the foreheads is not a physical mark placed upon the skin anymore than these next passages want people to literally place things in or upon their body (parts).

Proverbs 1:8-9 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother: 9 For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.

Proverbs 3:1-3 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: 2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee. 3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:

Proverbs 7:1-3 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee. 2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. 3 Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.

What these things mean is that they lead us in our lives. They teach us the ways of life.

Proverbs 6:20-23 My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother: 21 Bind them continually upon thine heart, and tie them about thy neck. 22 When thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and when thou awakest, it shall talk with thee. 23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Here are more Scriptures that prove a mark in/on the hand and forehead are not meant to be taken as a physical mark in/upon the forehead and the hand.

Exodus 13:7-9 Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters. 8 And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt. 9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

Exodus 13:15-16 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go, that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast: therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the matrix, being males; but all the firstborn of my children I redeem. 16 And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes: for by strength of hand the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 6:6-8 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Deuteronomy 11:18-19 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. 19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

If I need to and/or should explain more, please let me know.

DaDad · Jan 23, 2014

Raeneske said:
... and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. ...
If I need to and/or should explain more, please let me know.

Hi Raeneske,

I would propose that ID theft is easily countered by a simple palm scan. And where Scripture says "right hand", who would dilute that guidance to merely suggest "hand"?!? But where there is no "right hand", (due to an accident, by bandage, or by birth), one can use their retinas.

Furthermore, please note that the depictions of Rev. 13 are not spiritual, but are tangible as proposed.

With Best Regards,
DaDad.

Raeneske · Jan 23, 2014

DaDad said:
Hi Raeneske,

I would propose that ID theft is easily countered by a simple palm scan. And where Scripture says "right hand", who would dilute that guidance to merely suggest "hand"?!? But where there is no "right hand", (due to an accident, by bandage, or by birth), one can use their retinas.

Furthermore, please note that the depictions of Rev. 13 are not spiritual, but are tangible as proposed.

With Best Regards,
DaDad.

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

From my studies, a sign in/on the hands and the forehead are not meant to be taken as placing a literal physical mark in and/or upon the hands and foreheads as per the verses shared previously. For example:

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Not a literal beast, not a literal sea, not literally seven heads, and not literally ten horns. This is symbolism, meaning something else that what is blatantly written. The same applies to a sign in the hand and forehead.

True indeed, it says right hand, instead of just hand. However, it is bound with something to do with the forehead, which from the Scriptures is not meant to be taken as something literally placed upon the hands or forehead. However, the fact that it is the right hand warrants more study.

DaDad · Jan 23, 2014

Raeneske said:
Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Not a literal beast, not a literal sea, not literally seven heads, and not literally ten horns. This is symbolism, meaning something else that what is blatantly written. The same applies to a sign in the hand and forehead.

Hi Raeneske,

I would propose that the mouth of the Lion, the body of the Leopard, and the feet of the Bear are not spiritual, -- nor are any other aspects of this chapter. As such, one must discern between the symbolic (exactly as "Russia" is known as the "bear") versus whether the RIGHT HAND and FOREHEAD are spiritual.

As such, I believe I can explain the tangibles of the Beast, and the tangibles of the RIGHT HAND and FOREHEAD.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

Raeneske · Jan 23, 2014

DaDad said:
Hi Raeneske,

I would propose that the mouth of the Lion, the body of the Leopard, and the feet of the Bear are not spiritual, -- nor are any other aspects of this chapter. As such, one must discern between the symbolic (exactly as "Russia" is known as the "bear") versus whether the RIGHT HAND and FOREHEAD are spiritual.

As such, I believe I can explain the tangibles of the Beast, and the tangibles of the RIGHT HAND and FOREHEAD.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

The reason I say it is spiritual is because the Bible defines something upon the hands and forehead spiritual elsewhere. I have not one verse that puts the hands and the forehead together, and means it as a literal thing upon the hands and forehead. The beast is only "tangible" because the Bible describes it as a "tangible" thing. You can literally be within a kingdom, you can literally be on the outskirts of a kingdom, etc. However, Scripture shows that a sign upon the hands and forehead is not meant to be taken as a physical mark in or upon the hand and forehead. It is where laws, commandments, etc. go.

Dodo_David · Jan 23, 2014

Mr.Bride said:
All European newborn Babies will be Microchipped from May 2014

By Vlad Dmitrievich | January 22, 2014 33 Comments
On May 2014, through Europe newborn children will be compelled to take in a subcutaneous RFID chip.

Public clinics in the European Union are to be alerted. The chip in inquiry will be contributed with the report sheet on the newborn.

This chip will also be an impressive GPS sensor that will task with a micro- disposable battery every 2 years in state clinics. GPS chip grants an edge of error of 5 meters, as a statement that it is excellent.

It will be linked straight to a satellite, which will guide the networks. As forecasted, this chip will be essential for all kids born after May 2014 , but with a present confirmation date until December 2016.

Is this true? If so maranatha.

Uh, what evidence do you have that it isn't just hearsay?

DaDad · Jan 23, 2014

Raeneske said:
The reason I say it is spiritual is because the Bible defines something upon the hands and forehead spiritual elsewhere

Hi Raeneske,

Once again, because the entire Chapter deals with tangible identities we would be well served to heed that inference, not only from the context but also the technical aspect. Every day people access secure facilities using this simple technology.

Of course the "mark" is not the problem (as I personally use this technology) but rather the oath of allegiance to the "Image" which one must swear to be entered into the computer database, -- just as Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego will attest!

To help prove the veracity of this Chapter's interpretation, would you like to open a new Topic in which we evaluate the tangibility of the "mouth", "body", and "feet, with respect to the associated nations? -- Or how about what the "seven heads" represent, and who the mortally wounded head is. -- Or how the ten horns are actually FIVE Present, and FIVE Nominated, toward that total. -- Or if you want, we can evaluate who the a/c is.

Prophetic Scripture is really quite simple once you establish the foundation.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

Mr.Bride · Jan 23, 2014

Dodo_David said:
Uh, what evidence do you have that it isn't just hearsay?

I don't have any evidence. I seen this article so I copied and pasted for input. I seen a piece on NBC also. I was asking if it was true.

Arnie Manitoba · Jan 23, 2014

Mr.Bride said:
I don't have any evidence. I seen this article so I copied and pasted for input. I seen a piece on NBC also. I was asking if it was true.

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Puppies and animals have been micro-chipped for years for identification purposes and it allows medical records to be available to veterinarians etc .... it is a good system .... but it does have the aroma of the Mark of the beast.

Now that the system is in place they are implementing rules and laws that beef cattle (for example) have to be chipped right from birth .... and "tracked" right up to when the steaks are sold in the grocery store .

Cattle farmers are being "forced" into the system if they want to stay in business

The whole Mark of the Beast system is creeping up on us daily .... nice and smooth and soft .... until the day we want to buy a steak .... and must have the mark to do so

DaDad · Jan 23, 2014

Arnie Manitoba said:
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Puppies and animals have been micro-chipped for years

Are micro-chips optimized for only the "RIGHT HAND"? And if puppies are chipped in the scruff of the back of their neck, wouldn't it cause an unsightly bulge/scar if place in the human forehead?

Do you think the new "Kllingon" look would draw more participants?

Or is more plausible to employ an existing technology which USES the RIGHT HAND and FOREHEAD?

DaDad

Arnie Manitoba · Jan 23, 2014

DaDad said:
Are micro-chips optimized for only the "RIGHT HAND"? And if puppies are chipped in the scruff of the back of their neck, wouldn't it cause an unsightly bulge/scar if place in the human forehead?

Do you think the new "Kllingon" look would draw more participants?

Or is more plausible to employ an existing technology which USES the RIGHT HAND and FOREHEAD?

DaDad

Not quite sure what you mean (highlighted in red above) ... are you talking about face recognition technology ???

As far as a chip .... my credit cards and debit cards have wafer thin chips on them (bonded on the surface of the card) ... something like that could be put on hands or foreheads

ps: ... I am not saying the MOTB has to be a chip ..... but it would make sense in our computer era (for buying selling etc)

The one thing I am firm about is it will be a visible mark .... not something imaginary "inside the head" ....

DaDad · Jan 24, 2014

Arnie Manitoba said:
Not quite sure what you mean (highlighted in red above) ... are you talking about face recognition technology ???

...

The one thing I am firm about is it will be a visible mark .... not something imaginary "inside the head" ....

Hi Arnie,

... thus the "Klingon" look.

Ayep. I got me that new fangled implant, and I'm better looking fer it. Now people look at my farhead instead of my missing front teeth.

If you think Justin Biebers hair is popular, just wait until you have a new bulge in your forehead.
DaDad

Raeneske · Jan 24, 2014

DaDad said:
Hi Raeneske,

Once again, because the entire Chapter deals with tangible identities we would be well served to heed that inference, not only from the context but also the technical aspect. Every day people access secure facilities using this simple technology.

Of course the "mark" is not the problem (as I personally use this technology) but rather the oath of allegiance to the "Image" which one must swear to be entered into the computer database, -- just as Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego will attest!

To help prove the veracity of this Chapter's interpretation, would you like to open a new Topic in which we evaluate the tangibility of the "mouth", "body", and "feet, with respect to the associated nations? -- Or how about what the "seven heads" represent, and who the mortally wounded head is. -- Or how the ten horns are actually FIVE Present, and FIVE Nominated, toward that total. -- Or if you want, we can evaluate who the a/c is.

Prophetic Scripture is really quite simple once you establish the foundation.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

It's not that your answer is unreasonable, because it is reasonable. It's that the Scriptures do not tell me that something to do with hands and forehead are meant to be taken as a physical mark upon the body. That is the problem with what you are telling me. A mark upon the hand and forehead is prophetic symbolism, and not meant to be taken as a tangible thing. What did God say is sign (token, seal, mark, etc. (interchangeable)) upon someone's hand and forehead? Was it something tangible that was on their hand and forehead? No.

If there weren't passages in Scripture that pointed to it meaning to do with something spiritual, then I would see no problem with what you are saying. The problem is though, is that Scripture doesn't interpret this as being a physical mark upon the body. It's like when someone tells me a beast is Satan. It's not that such a belief is unreasonable, many people have it. Many honest Christians believe that. And sure, the chapter may even talk about Satanic things being done. But the fact of the matter is, is that Scripture defines a beast to either be an animal or kingdom (kingdom/king, seems to be used interchangeably). And so no matter how well thought out their answer may seem, when the Scriptures point the something else, it's best to go with what Scripture says.

When God's people are sealed in their foreheads, is a tangible seal placed in their foreheads? Will God use microchip technology to do this? The Seal of God and the mark of the beast are oppose each other. The mark of the beast is in direct opposition of the Seal of God; it is a command of the beast that is in opposition to a commandment of God. Are all other places that speak of placing something in/on the hand and forehead spiritual, except for the mark of the beast?

If you wish, you can open such a new topic.

theophilus · Jan 25, 2014

Raeneske said:
The problem is though, is that Scripture doesn't interpret this as being a physical mark upon the body.

The Bible says that no one will be allowed to buy or sell unless he has the mark. How could such a prohibition be enforced unless the mark could be seen by others?

I have a post in the eschatology section that might be relevant to this thread.

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/19675-666-and-rfid-chips/#entry217933

Arnie Manitoba · Jan 25, 2014

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It has to be a visible mark ... otherwise what is the purpose ????

Anyone care to know how this weird invisible mark stuff started ????

through the years there have been quite a few Christians who had convinced themselves they were more "special" than ordinary everyday Christians .... they even went so far as to proclaim they were part of the 144,000 who had the seal of God on their foreheads.

When asked to see the seal they had to say it was invisible ...... and in order to make that work they had to apply that invisibility to the mark of the beast in revelation

If this forum allowed me to call that theory bullysitt .... I probably would.

Raeneske · Jan 25, 2014

theophilus said:
The Bible says that no one will be allowed to buy or sell unless he has the mark. How could such a prohibition be enforced unless the mark could be seen by others?

I have a post in the eschatology section that might be relevant to this thread.

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/19675-666-and-rfid-chips/#entry217933

Let it be known that I am not claiming to know the method (or methods) by which it will be enforced. What I offer in response to you about this are thoughts, and not proven things (when speaking of the method(s) by which it could enforced).

How could someone be prohibited unless they had the mark that could be seen (as in, on the skin) by others? The same way you can mark someone who either doesn't obey the Gospel, or does obey.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

We "mark" those that do and do not obey the Gospel. Things can be known of you without it literally placed upon your skin. You don't need a sign that says "CHRISTIAN" literally on your forehead. People can know you are a Christian by your actions. Things can be known about you by looking at a Facebook Account, a Twitter Account, etc. Certain things you can help identify you as a Christian, Atheist, Muslim, etc.

I do not condone drinking (or smoking), but from a license one can be marked as underage, unable to purchase such things. The same can be held for cigarettes. Some colleges (or maybe all colleges) have ID's which students can use to get into buildings, about which buildings they are able to get into, etc. These cards may be used to purchase things on campus, for example food. It's not wrong to have such a card, but such a card can be used to identify you, who you are, and what you can access. These are only examples.

Arnie Manitoba said:
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It has to be a visible mark ... otherwise what is the purpose ????

Anyone care to know how this weird invisible mark stuff started ????

through the years there have been quite a few Christians who had convinced themselves they were more "special" than ordinary everyday Christians .... they even went so far as to proclaim they were part of the 144,000 who had the seal of God on their foreheads.

When asked to see the seal they had to say it was invisible ...... and in order to make that work they had to apply that invisibility to the mark of the beast in revelation

If this forum allowed me to call that theory bullysitt .... I probably would.

The purpose of what?

To hold the belief that it is not tangible, I wouldn't consider weird. It would be weird to hold such a belief if it wasn't supported by Scripture (though I suppose it can sound weird to those who have never heard it before). As a matter of fact, people declare the mark of the beast tangible, but they know that the Seal of God isn't. Yet the language for the mark of the beast is almost exactly copied from other places in the Bible speaking of something being upon the forehead as being spiritual, and not literally placing something upon the body.

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