The Law of Moses : Can't Define a CHRISTian. #1

Why not? You mean the law of Moses in vain?
If you always keep in mind about the ten command, put the first one in the first of all.
And keeps saying that it must be right.

Why not? You mean the law of Moses in vain?
If you always keep in mind about the ten command, put the first one in the first of all.
And keeps saying that it must be right.
The law of Moses also gives a man the chance to repent and mend one's ways.

what the heck?

Behold said:

Paul teaches us in Romans, that the purpose of Moses Law(s) (including the 10 commandments) are to do 2 things.

1.)""" So that the WHOLE WORLD becomes GUILTY before God.""""

And that leads us to #2.

2.) And now understanding that we are SINNERS, we turn to Jesus for forgiveness and Salvation and God gives us :

"The Gift of Salvation"

"The Gift of Righteousness"

"The Gift of Eternal Life".

A.) Welcome to Real Christianity........ Its all a FREE "GIFT" from God., based on The CROSS of CHRIST.

God's Salvation is not something you DO........its something that Jesus has done for you on The Cross, and we RECEIVE IT from God by/through "FAITH" in CHRIST.

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The Gospel of Luke
16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Behold said:

A born again Christians Has God in them. This means the Holy Spirit of God as "Christ in You"....is inside every born again Believer.....and He is absolutely connected to the CONSCIENCE in every born again Believer.
Therefore......>>HE, the Holy Spirit, will let you know when you are into some behavior that is not correct or upright or good.
You'll get that inner warning, If He is in you, and if you're not ever getting it then you are not born again yet, you are just a water baptized religious but lost.

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Amen.

Behold said:

So....This is why the CHRISTian does not need to be concerned about 613 Moses Laws or the 10 Commandments, as the Holy Spirit is our Guide, and our Instructor and our "dont do that"!! ........who lives on the inside of Us.
He'll let the Believer know what is correct behavior............and He does this in our Conscience, inside us, in our inner man.

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I agree with this, but I want to just say that the Holy Spirit always leads us to love - and it is not surprising that the 10 commandments are about love when we understand then properly. Love doesn't lie to their neighbor or steal from them and so on. Even desiring wrong in our hearts is wrong. This is precisely why the commands to love God and neighbor fulfills the law and love covers a multitude of sins- as it is written. We are made righteous in Christ and we then are guided by the Spirit to live/walk in that righteousness, Do you agree with this?

Behold said:

Every Christian has encounted His internal correction,...its that "sting" of....>>"that was not good, i should not have done that".....and that happens after He already let you to KNOW INSIDE that that choice was not to be chosen.

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Yes.

Behold said:

So, if you decide to do it anyway, then you are going to have to deal with the consequences in life and then inside yourself you are going to feel that sense of having violated something........and that is the Holy Spirit being grieved.

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Yes, and it's not a good feeling- and who enjoys discipline? For me- I have found that a confessing of my sin and praising God for the blood of Jesus is the best way. I don't fear loss of salvation.
I know you do not agree with confessing- but I see it as an apology owed for disobeying the Spirit. I would apologize to a friend if I sinned, and I also desire to apologize to the Lord. Or-- when my children disobeyed me- I taught them to apologize.
-Fellowship-

So, there is our GUIDE....He is Inside the Born again...........not Moses Law or 10 Commandments., tho we all need to obey the 10 commandments.....sure., as well as Jesus's Commandments.

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Amen.- and as we learn to always heed the Spirit's loving guidance within us- we are growing to be more like Christ.
We are saved because of grace thru faith in Jesus and God has sealed us His Spirit who guides our way!

Behold said:

Actually the HS leads us to Truth and Revelation.......which is how we initially "come to the knowledge of the TRUTH...." that Jesus is Messiah, and we are all sinners needing to be Saved.

Reader......The Holy Spirit is "the Spirit of TRUTH".......and Jesus is John 14:6. "the Truth"........so, they are ONE.

And following our Salvation.....after we are born again, then ""Christ who is in us"", joined to Us, .......is where we find God's Love flowing out OF Us........as its HIM..........through us.

See, its "GOD IS LOVE"..........not "we are the love".
Its HIM, and HIS LOVE....that flows out of a Christian, or its just ACTING.

This is why Paul tells us that "i am crucified with Christ".....and the LIFE I NOW LIVE."""""""

See that?
That Is Jesus in Him, completely taking over........and Paul became less and less over time..... and Jesus became more and more through Him over time.

So there is where God's love shows up, = in a Believers Heart and Life and Behavior..

And if you try to manifest that by FLESH.........by willpower, then that is fake.
You're just an actor faking a "christian role".....and there are many of these doing that and failing.
That is a person who is trying to "imitate Christ" on the outside, because He's not on the inside of them manifesting GOD's LOVE...yet.

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Oh Sure-I agree with what you said-
I also feel that God has changed my heart which leads me led me to love others where before I did not really care. It is Him in me- That's all I was conveying.

Behold said:

Notice Romans 6:14 carefully, Saint or Reader.
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1.) """""For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."""""

2.) """"Sin is no longer your master, for you no longer live under the requirements of the law. Instead, you live under the freedom of God’s grace.""""""

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Paul described the Law of Moses as being the good that he wanted to do and the law of sin as being what was causing him not to do the good that he wanted to do. The law where sin had dominion or mastery over us is clearly referring to the law of sin that is causing us not to do the good that we want to do, not to the Law of God that is the good that we want to do, but you are instead rejecting the law that is the good that Paul wanted to do and are embracing what was causing him not do to the good that he wanted to do. We need to die to the law of sin in order to be free to obey the Law of God, not the other way around.

Behold said:

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So, we see that God accepts us, based on what He has offered as the "one time ETERNAL sacrifice" for our sin.

We can't do that for ourselves, and the 10 commandments and 613 Moses Law can't provide that... In fact the way OUT of being deemed unrighteous by Moses Law and the 10 Commandments, is THE CROSS OF CHRIST, where God has given us HIS righteousness, as "the Gift of Rightesousness"..

What is that?

That is our : Salvation who is Jesus ... As its Jesus alone who has "redeemed us from the CURSE...OF...THE ... LAW".

This specific curse is " MOSES Law"s dominion = to define a sinner everyone as a sinner<>Unrighteous.

And part of the Good News that is The Gospel...is that Jesus has redeemed us from that "CURSE"... because "you are NOT UNDER THE LAW.....but under GRACE"""

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In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from the Law of Moses but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20). The reason why Jesus went to cross was not in order to curse us by cause us to be free to become doers of what the Law of Moses reveals to be sin, but just the opposite.

Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Law of Moses that we have knowledge of what sin is (Roman 3:20), so Jesus graciously teaching us to experience being a doer righteousness works in obedience to it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it as his gift of righteousness.

Behold said:

Now.....Reader, if you are trying to keep all the 10 Commandments and 613 of Moses's Law to try to stay saved, or to be saved, or to "keep from losing relationship with God".....then you are "under the law", and you are "fallen from Grace", and you are in a "carnal mind".

So, that is a ""carnal mind"" that is "in the Flesh"....Paul teaches in Galatians.......and the theological term for this is "LEGALIST" or "LEGALISM".
I define it as "broken faith"......that needs to be restored with the help of someone who can truly help you SEE your way back to the Light.

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It would be contradictory for someone who is not a doer of the Law of Moses to also be saved from not being a doer of the Law of Moses. In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not extrinsically required to have first done those works in obedience to the Law of Moses order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not extrinsically required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather we are intrinsically required to be a doer of those works because God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of them is part of the content of His gift of salvation. If someone were trying to extrinsically earn their salvation as the result of their works, then they would fall from grace. In Roman 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses.

Behold said:

Reader,
.....the Devil's #1 worldwide daily eternal victory is everyone who just died and went to hell this last second...
the Devils #2 Victory is to ruin a Christians faith....which means to cause a Chrisitan to Stop Trusting only in Christ Alone to keep them saved, as when the Devil has you out of that right faith, then he has you into carnal SELF-righteousness.......and that means that the person is >>trying to make themselves RIGHT with God<<< based on SELF Effort.

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Jesus is God's Word made flesh, so it is contradictory to think that we should only trust in him instead of trusting in his sample of embodying God's Word. God is trustworthy, therefore the Law of Moses is also trustworthy (Psalm 19:7), so the way to trust in God to save us from not being a doer of the Law of Moses is intrinsically by being a doer of the Law of Moses and it would be contradictory to think that we should trust in God alone for salvation instead of obediently trusting in God's instructions. God did not give the Law of Moses as instructions for how to become self-righteous. Something that we do through our own efforts does not involve relying on anyone else, so it would be contradicting to consider obediently relying on God's instructions to be relying on ourselves. Relying on our own efforts would not involve doing anything that God has instructed. God graciously teaching us to be doer of the Law of Moses is how God is saving us, not how we are saving ourselves.

Behold said:

Always remember that God gave MOSES LAW and the 10 Commandments to show you that you can't do it....... you are not righteous....so, we then turn to Christ... .and we receive HIM as our SAVIOR and He becomes for us.. "God hath made JESUS...to be Sin for us"... and we become "The rightesousness of God, in Christ'........we are then "made righteous" based on the blood and death and resurrection of Jesus.

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Nowhere does the Bible say that God gave the Law of Moses in oder to show us that we can't do it, but just the opposite. In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to the righteousness that is by faith proclaiming that the Law of Moses is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that is impossible for us to do. Moreover, there are many examples in the Bible of people who did obey the Law of Moses, such as with those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14.

It is contradictory to turn to God's Word made flesh instead of turning to his example of embodying God's Word. If someone does not want Jesus to save them from not living in obedience to the Law of Moses, then they do not want him as their Savior. Christ embodied the righteousness of God through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, so that is also what we get the gift of getting to obey when we become the righteousness of God in Christ.

Thoughts on this, please?

James 4:17: "If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them."

RepentingChristian said:

Thoughts on this, please?

James 4:17: "If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them."

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That reminds me when God spoke to Cain:
Gen 4:7
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

The NLT says it this way:
NLT
You will be accepted if you do what is right. But if you refuse to do what is right, then watch out! Sin is crouching at the door, eager to control you. But you must subdue it and be its master.”

Sin is a rebellious, murderous, hateful, etc... spirit. And it is against God.
When Cain didn't listen to God, he allowed Satan to enter into his heart.
That spirit is what the world inherited.

1Jo 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Ephesians Chapter 4: 17-32
In the NKJV there is a heading to this section, it is called
The Christian's Walk

Hugs

Behold said:

Quick Lesson On : The LAW of MOSES

1.) Its MOSES Law that defines a person as a sinner, because its Moses Law and Commandments that are broken which define you, until you become a born again CHRISTian.

So, when a person is born again, they are born again "NOT under the law, but UNDER GRACE">., and that is an eternal change, not a temporary change, and its based on THE CROSS OF CHRIST and not on our behavior.

Now Reader, what is the main purpose of... The Law and Commandments? ??

A.) """" That the entire world is shown to be guilty before God."" Paul teaches in Romans., as that is the effect of the Law and 10 Commandments AGAINST us all.
Reader, the Law is not for you, its against you......Its designed to REVEAL what you are before God so that you will turn to Christ for eternal help, for eternal forgiveness, and for eternal Salvation.

So, this issue with MOSES Law..... has to resolved or we "die in our sins" and we go to hell.

Now, Notice this verse carefully.

A.) = """""Jesus is the END of THE LAW....for Righteousness, to/for everyone who BELIEVES""". .. Paul teaches us.

So, if you are a born again Christian then you are no longer under the law, and you are no longer being judged by the law and 10 commandments.

You are : ""NOT under the LAW, but Under Grace"".

Now why does this blow the minds of most Christians.....to the point that they can't believe it and want to resist this truth?
Its because the carnal nature and the Devil are always working together to try to wipe out the revelation knowledge regarding = "who we have become IN CHRIST".
And what we have to do, is get the right mind about this, .. recognizing every day of our lives = our eternal Status "in Christ".." not under the law"...= having become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

So, if a believer is to "walk in the Spirit" in the "renewed mind", as Paul teaches, then you have to get the revelation that a born again Christian is "not under the law", and they exit as "made free from sin"... .having become .. "THE Righteousness of God, in Christ".

That is GOD's eternal perspective of every Born Again Christian, and we must get the same MIND , and keep it.

Reader this revelation knowledge is SPIRITUAL...= SPIRITUAL only, and it wont fit the belief system of a carnal minded believer, or a religious fakir who both believe that they are a sinner, sinning, and need to confess sin and "behavior modify"... to try to stay saved.

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Many valid points are made by you also we must note that the word Christian was not used till after Damascus Road
Acts 11:26 ---- And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

So by believing in Jesus we are NOT under any law, are saved by grace, and are incapable of sin, right? Is that it?

RepentingChristian said:

So by believing in Jesus we are NOT under any law, are saved by grace, and are incapable of sin, right? Is that it?

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Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Gal 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

What is the law of the Spirit of life?

Gal 5:13
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Gal 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Gal 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.