"work out your Salvation" = Get your Faith RIGHT

Reader,

The fact is...... we DO receive from God a new nature, a divine nature that you can read about in 2nd Peter.......but its also a fact that the Galatian Christians received it, and they later became "bewitched" and 'in the flesh".......utterly carnally minded. (Galatians 3)
The "tongue tallking" diaper baby believers who are found in 1st and 2nd Corinthians, had the same issue.
And this is exactly what happens to most Chrisitans.

So, HOW to get out of fighting against your old nature. ???????????????????????????????????????/

Reader you can't pray it away.....and you can't work it away, and you can't stop it unless you do what Paul tells us to do.

We have to "reckon it dead"....... and that means you have to come to the understanding that your old man, that "Sin nature" that "Adamic nature", is = "crucified with Christ"........ And the issue is..... if you dont understand that Salvaiton is completed 2000 yrs ago... and.......... totally GOD GIFTED to you by "faith"...= ."Justification by Faith".............and you dont have to try to do it, or try to keep it......then you will try to do it and try to keep it and that means you are trying to STAY SAVED.
And the moment you get into that HEAD Space....that deceived self righteous Mentality...... you are back in the flesh, carnally minded, and the Law is going to enflame your carnal desires so that "you can't do what you want to do, and what you hate, is what you feel so compelled to do", (Romans 7) and you can't get that off of you.........until..

you do this..

= "reckon the old man of sin dead".......

So, that means, you first recognize that your old man of sin...is "Crucified with Christi"......and God has given you a new nature, (2nd Peter) and you have become a New Creation. ''IN Christ".

2nd.. You have to get the revelation that EVERYTHING with Christianity is SPIRITUAL<.

The "New Creation" is SPIRITUAl.........
Being born again is SPIRITUAL........
the walk of faith is SPIRITUAL.....
Believing Prayer is Spiritual......
God's Grace is SPIRITUAL.....
The Holy Bible is SPIRITUAL....
Tithes & Offerings = Spiritual
"Sowing and Reaping" is Spiritual before it become a literal Harvest in your life.
Becoming "the righteousness of God in Christ"" is SPIRITUAL.....
The KOG is SPIRITUAL.......and being in it "seated in Heavenly places""...is SPIRITUAL.

A.) So, when you try to DO Christianity, by your self effort.........then you are NOT Spiritual, you are CARNAL. = That is the 1st revelation you have to get..........you have to understand that Everything with God is : Spiritual........including God who is "A Spirit".......and Jesus is "THAT Spirit".

So, how do you go from Carnal Chrisitanity back to Real Faith, so that you are walking in the SPIRIT ???????????

You MUST STOP trying to be saved......and realize that its already happened, and God did it for you already, if you are truly born again, and not just very religious and water baptized.
You have to STOP trying to finish what Jesus has already FINISHED for you on THE CROSS, 2000 yrs ago.
You have to get that revelation, and keep it.

Now perhaps that all sounds dull and pointless and too simple to you......but its EVERYTHING.......because until you realize who is your Salvation, then you are trying to do it and keep it, and that removes you from the SPIRITUAL, which puts you here and keeps you here......

= JESUS Said.>>""Apart from me, you can do NOTHING""..........and to be apart from Jesus, as a Believer, is to be in the carnal mind, and "in the flesh"........and you are BLIND..........spiritually.
You are trying to maintain and finish, what Jesus has already Completed 2000 Yrs ago, on THE CROSS.....and He told you so, when He told you........'IT".......is FINISHED".

A.) "IT">.....is your Salvation, your Redemption, your Eteranl life.......and of course the New Covenant, the Blood Atonement and the NT.
Reader, the NT is not A BOOK........its JESUS becoming the New Covenant........and the NT is a TESTIMONY that this has Happened, 2000 yrs ago.

Understand ??? as that is JESUS who is the "NEW Testament'"/
That book you read that says....>"NT".......it contains = HIM......the TRUE record of YESHUA THE LORD, and His creating the NEW Covenant on THE CROSS.
This is why that BIBLE is more then just a book.....

Listen...........I can go anywhere in this world.....and gather 1000 born again Chrisitans and put them in an room, and 970 of them are trying to stay saved, worrying about losing salvation, and this proves they are in a "carnal mind" and have no spirituality.
They are a Galatians Chapter 3 & 5 defective believer.....(Go read it.....Read both chapters when you have time.......as Its was there all the time, as taught by our "body of Christ" teacher : PAUL The Apostle))......
And the 30 in the room who are spiritiual, out of the 1000 total... are not become so because they try to be more like Christ....not at all.
See, they dont have to FAKE IT, and ACT AND PUT ON PRETENSE, because they are in the Spirit.......flowing.....immersed.
They are spiritual because they UNDERSTAND their Salvation, .. they have "worked it out".
And to do that, is simply to get your FAITH RIGHT.....and most Christians are not there, they have wrong faith/broken faith......they are stuck in Heb 6:1.....trying to repent, or worrying about sin and Moses Law, while confessing what is already forgiven... while feeling condemned.... and are fighting their old nature, and its only because their faith is not right.
Its broken.

Now, How does Paul define getting your Faith right?

1.)"" As many as be perfect""" = Perfect in the understanding of HOW God has Redeemed the born again for ETERNITY and Who did it for them, and HOW.<

2.) """Put on the Helmet of Salvation.""""""" is that Understanding........is that RIGHT FAITH., and when you dont have it, you are trying to resist the devil and your HEAD IS EXPOSED to his DECEPTIONS.

Understand?

Now, exactly How do you know that your faith is at that place of real faith ? ??

A.) You will KNOW that Jesus who saved you keeps you saved, and you can do nothing to change it, because you did nothing to cause it.
Its GOD who causes your salvation........not you.
Philipians 1:6
Its GOD who keeps you saved the same way He saved you......= Through Christ's Sacrifice.

Now put that REAL FAITH in your HEART... in place of your self effort to try to stay saved, and you'll discover that God's Grace will from that moment begin to change everything abour your Christianity, and that is because He is finally in charge of it, vs YOU trying to DO IT FOR HIM as a Carnal MINDED Christian.

Readers,

Let me show you what happens to you, if you are trying to stay saved... .. if you are trying to not lose your salvation.
You've become a Hebrews 6:1.
You are also "fallen from Grace".
And the reason for this is because your faith in Christ is not in place in your heart.
Its not dead......its just WRONG.

Perhaps you remember that Paul told you to check yourself so that you know you are = "in the faith"........and JUDE told us that we are to ""CONTEND for the REAL FAITH"".

See those 2 Apostles ???.........They are both teaching us that there is wrong faith, and they are teaching us that once we come to the knowledge of our Salvation, .....once we have worked it out......and that is proven when we no longer believe we can lose our salvation..........then once we get there.... = to that place where Paul defines us as "As many as be perfect"....(in our revelation knowledge), then we are to "CONTEND for the real faith" that we now possses.
We are to hold on tight as the Devil will try to take it away again., as that is his purpose in your life, now that He can't cause you to go to Hell.
So......We are to "cast down those vain imaginations" and every "High thing (inner thoughts) that will try to exault itself against the truth".
And that means, you have to not let a carnal mind bring you again into that dark and deceived place where you were trying to keep yourself saved, and believe you can "lose it".....= your salvation.
Never go back there.......never let that again become your wrong faith..... instead CONTEND against this wrong THINKING, so that it never again becomes a stronghold in your mind.
You have to resist it.

And if you are that one.....if im talking to you....then you are having "peace issues" with God.
You dont feel that Peace with God, anymore.
Listen, Don't you remember how it was when you were first saved?
Its beautiful isn't it. ! That amazing Peace..........that Peace that calmed all your inner storms... You felt so clean and happy and certain.
And then the devil eventually found you with one of His liars......= Maybe a book, maybe a "christian" forum member, maybe a Youtube video....or a commentary.... but more then likely you stumbled into some carnality and because you didnt know that this has no effect on what Christ has eternally provided for you... ... you began to slip into....""well, i wonder if i have lost my salvation""......"how can God keep me after what ive done now"".
So, we see you slipping away from real faith, and soon you started trying to keep yourself saved... and you can't, as you are not The SAVIOR.

So, Am i talking to you?
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And here is why it all fell apart........... Jesus told you, told me, told us all that "apart from me"...you can do nothing".
This means that when you stopped believing in Jesus as the only reason you are saved and stay saved, then you are now "apart from Him"... regarding how you BELIEVE wrong...........and Now your BELIEVING is wrong, and that places you apart from REAL FAITH in Christ, and now you can "do nothing".
You can't have peace, you can't understand the bible....You dont enjoy church.......you have no power to be a Holy Disciple or even understand what that means.... you are APART........you are become DISCONNECTED from REVELATION Knowledge regarding who you have become "in Christ". You are "apart from me (Jesus said) and you can do nothing".
= And the fruit of that separation, is NO PEACE.... its this.. = "That which i want to do i can't, and that which i hate, is that which i do".... Romans 7.
You are that one., and that one cannot have """the peace of God that passes understanding""...because you are blocking it with your wrong believing. You are continually setting yourself apart from God's peace, because your faith is WRONG.

So, Turn it around.
Return to "I only Trust in You Lord, to KEEP ME SAVED.......and im sorry that i was trying to do that for myself."""
I see it now Jesus....
Thank you God for helping me come back to the LIGHT.
Thank you Father for helping me to get my REAL FAITH in Christ, restored., today.

grafted branch said:

What are your thoughts on someone who continues trying to be saved?

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You become a Hebrews 6:1.
You are also "fallen from Grace".
And the reason for this is because your faith in Christ is not in place in your heart.
Its not dead......its just WRONG....... its broken.

grafted branch said:

I that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

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God gives us all things "richly to enjoy" (KJV)........but all this becomes blocked when our faith is wrong.

grafted branch said:

We can know we are saved by the Spirit and we can know what is freely given (our salvation) by the Spirit.

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John teaches that we can know we have "eternal life'.......
And then He teaches that Jesus IS = Eternal Life.
This is why Jesus told us that if we "believe in Him" He gives us "eternal life". "and you shall never go to Hell..(Perish).."

How?

"I have come to give you LIFE, and that more ABUNDANTLY".........."I Am the Way, the Truth, and THE LIFE".

How do we know we have eternal life?

Becauce "Christ in you, the hope of Glory" is the PROOF., as this is JESUS who is Himself Eternal life, who is INSIDE US, and we are "IN CHRIST".

grafted branch said:

Is it possible to be saved and the Spirit hasn’t witnessed with their spirit

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Its possible to have a carnal mind as a Christian, and this does not allow you to hear what the Holy Spirit is trying to teach you. (reveal).
So, we have to make certain that our mind never becomes deceived , and the only way is to continue to have RIGHT FAITH, as Right Faith is the "helmet of Salvation". @grafted branch

grafted branch said:

Or does the act itself of continually trying to be saved show that a person isn’t yet saved?

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Trying to stay saved proves you believe you can lose your salvation... This proves you dont trust in Christ to keep you saved.
This proves that the Christian's faith is broken......its wrong.

grafted branch said:

Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

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Paul teaches that Israel tries to obtain God's salvation by Moses law, .....self effort.,and can't have it.
He then teaches that the Gentiles have attained it, by FAITH......exactly the same way as Abraham receive it.

"Abrham BELIEVED GOD, (and his faith) was counted by God, as His Righteousness".

This is the "imputed righteousness of God"., given to every Believer.

grafted branch said:

Would a carnal mind be resisting the Holy Spirit as seen in Acts 7:51?

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Every unbeliever exists within their carnal mind......so, for them that is their truth.....its their point of view, their opinion, and this state of mind is "enmity against God"....= the enemy of God.

And this is the SAME for the BELIEVER, born again, who has lost real faith, and is now trying to stay saved by whatever is on your list of do's and dont do's.
See that self saving list ??.....> = : "well, i have to keep this......and i have to do that.......and i have to make sure that i never do THAT !!!...and if i do all of THOSE perfectly, (tho i haven't so far).....,l then hope that i'll be able to go to heaven when i die".

So what is missing = in that person's faith? What is not on their self saving list ???

A.) JESUS IS MISSING !......as they never mentioned Him, because they have no faith in Him, and that is because they are too busy trying to keep themselves saved instead of putting their TRUST IN CHRIST to keep them saved.

= Broken faith........Wrong faith.

grafted branch said:

Ok, in 2 Corinthians 4:4 the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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Your Verse has a double implication.

1.) anyone who is not a Christian is "mind blinded by the devil".

2.) a born again Christian, becomes "fallen from Grace"........"bewitched"........by "who has bewitched you, that you no longer obey the TRUTH.""" Paul asks in Galatians 3.

So, this is a mind blinded carnal christian, who in 2026 comes to forums, for example, and wants to FLAME ON and teach......>"no, you are not just saved and kept saved by Jesus's Blood and Death, you have to DO THIS, and DO THAT, and keep this, and keep that"..

And some of these deceive Heretics are MODERATORS and ADMINISTRATOR's on "chrisitan forums" all over the internet... and of course this is going to ruin the forum and the faith of many believers who live on them, daily/nightly.

So, one is a hell bound sinner, and the other is a chaos causing carnal minded believer, who harms forums and anything else they can infect with "Moses Law and Self effort, theology"..

grafted branch said:

Does a person have a choice as to whether they see Jesus or not?

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Paul teaches that every person has '"the measure of faith"........we are born with the ability to BELIEVE IN SOMETHING< and we've all believed in something most of our lives.

Unbelievers, Christ rejectors...do have FAITH...... and they have all put their faith in something other then Jesus....

Like..

The BUDDHA
Scientology
Moroni (Mormomism)
Science
Mary Baker Eddy's teaching
The Theory of Evolution
Allah
Money

Christians have put THEIR FAITH in Jesus = one TRUE time, and God saw that faith in their heart and accepted it to accept them "through Christ".

The Holy Spirit reveals Christ to us, in our heart...........this is taught by the scriptures as "coming to the KNOWLEGE of THE TRUTH".

And if we read John 14:6......then we find out who is ""THE TRUTH"" that the Holy Spirit is leading us to believe in, and thereby be saved.

grafted branch said:

I mean if an unbeliever’s mind is blinded by the god of this world, then they really have no choice but to be blinded, right?

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Being mind blinded by the Devil is the original carnal mind in everyone, until their heart is opened by the Holy Spirit, so that the Light of Truth, Who is Jesus, can "shine into them", and then their mind becomes "en-Lightened"..

"well behold, what about those pygmies who live in "tree hotels" in some dark forest on the back side of somewhere, who have never heard The Gospel".

A.) And Jonah was taken to Nineveh, and he preached to them.

What does that mean?

It means that God will get the Message of The Cross to you, even if he has to use a rebelling Prophet and a Whale or a heavenly vision.
(Just ask Paul).
And these days......even some Tree House Pygmies have a Cell phone.......

grafted branch said:

But as far as our free will to choose Jesus or not, that doesn’t seem to be. In order to have free will, neither Satan or God can force us one way or the other.

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If God was in charge of a person's faith in Christ...........if God caused it, then God could not hold anyone accountable for not choosing to believe.
And in fact, all unbelievers, are under God's wrath, until THEY put THEIR faith, in Christ.

The Holy Spirit leads us to place our faith in Christ.......as "faith comes by HEARING the Gospel".... so this means that a person hears about Jesus's sacrifice for them.......and the Holy Spirit opens their heart so that they :

= 1.) realize they are a sinnner nneding to be saved..........and then from that place of "coming to the knowledge of the truth"......the person takes a step of faith and believes, or they dont choose to do it........ But its not because the HS didnt show them the TRUTH, as He certainly did show them.
So this is where the real danger comes into play regarding a unbeliever who knows... = KNOWS that "its all real, and i need to trust in Christ".......but im going to wait...........i'll do it later."""".....
And then they get in their Car, and on the way to the store, they have an accident and DIE, and end up in Hell, and they are now thinking.........."OMG OMG OMG........I KNEW IT WAS TRUE......why did i WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!""

Dont wait reader, as Hebrews 9:27 is coming for you, and you dont know when..... it could be today.

Too late for them now, as there is no 2nd Chance in Hell to be Born Again.

So, unTill the person decides to place their faith in Christ , they are eternally damned..........while they are on the earth.

See, its our Faith that allows God to take us out from under the law and God's wrath......
Our Faith in Christ, removes this from us...

John 3:36