Zechariah 14:1-2
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
Why Will "all nations" attack Israel?
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They won’t because those verses are about heavenly Jerusalem and that happened at the cross according to Psalm 2.
Psa 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
No they're not. lol
Is this also "about the heavenly Jerusalem"? In the exact same context:
Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
You still don't know where Jesus will return? Do you know where Jerusalem is? The Mt of Olives?
Acts 1:9-11
9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."
ScottA
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Hello Jack,
Israel and Jerusalem are different, especially if you are considering the modern state of Israel.
So the claim by God is more specific. Jerusalem is the heart, or as if the Holy of Hollies of Israel. Which is to say, the passage is rather referring to God Himself. In other words, or spiritually, His statement is to be understood as, He will gather all people to battle against--Him. Which simply means--to sin against Him...which then is made manifest literally in all the history of the world, from beginning to end.
But men of the world, thinking as men think, have assumed that it means something that doesn't actually include them--heaven forbid. And they are those who have taught what is false regarding the end times.
Where is the Mt of Olives?
Zechariah 14:4
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.
ScottA
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First, I will ask you a question: What was the Olivet Discourse--who was speaking?
You don't even know where the Mt of Olives is? You refuse to answer my question and have the nerve to ask me a question? Lets try again.
Where is the Mt of Olives?
Zechariah 14:4
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.
Jerusalem is OFFICIALLY the Capital of Israel! And you ain't gonna change that!
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ScottA
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Perhaps if I answer you we can continue with what you assume I don't know.
Which one--which Mount of Olive?
The Mount of Olives known all over the world in Israel. Where Jesus will return and FIGHT for Israel!
ScottA
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There is something you and many have overlooked and not taken into account. What you are advocating is against Christ and God. Because it is against Jesus' prayer of "on earth as it is in heaven."
The battle that you are referring to has already occurred. Every nation and people and king were represented in Christ on the cross--on earth. But the prophecy does indeed also refer to the heavenly Jerusalem, and the victory is his, "It is finished."
But Zechariah was referring to war in heaven where every nation and people and all kings were present, simultaneously occurring both on earth and in heaven, the answer to Jesus' prayer.
God fighting against Israel's enemies is against God???
Then that should be in EVERY history book. Name us some history books that's in. Why didn't you just say to begin that you're a Preterist? See how God revealed your heart for all to witness.
What an imagination!
So the heaven you're heading to will be a WAR ZONE! That sounds more like Hell Fire. You have my sympathy.
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Allow me to clarify. Modern Israel Prophetically is not the nation in the middle east. It is the church. The warnings throughout scripture concerning a global attack against Israel are misconstrued, as Jesus warned Himself in addresses to the apostles who represented the church, such in Matthew 24.
“7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. ”
Matthew 24:7-9 KJV
Notice the progression. At first Jesus decides global conflict everywhere. Nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom. War brings famine. Famine brings pestilence and disease. Progression. Then nature steps in. Earthquakes and natural disasters. All this is just the beginning. Those nations that were at one point warring against one another... the conflicts and disasters that were formerly confined to international fighting among nations, along with the disease and disasters, will quickly progress to local streets and riots and general civil conflict within communities and families. We are witnessing a hint of all this now.
However things get worse, much worse, because the focus changes. Those nations and communities that were at each other's throats, now turn their focus on "you". The church. And not just any church. But the church that refuses to join with Babylon. The church that hasn't fallen like the rest. The church that Satan specifically wars against...
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. ”
Revelation 12:17 KJV
The last days aren't about a small nation in the Middle East. The issues are global. They are spiritual. Not literal. And not local.
“7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. ”
Matthew 24:7-9 KJV
Notice the progression. At first Jesus decides global conflict everywhere. Nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom. War brings famine. Famine brings pestilence and disease. Progression. Then nature steps in. Earthquakes and natural disasters. All this is just the beginning. Those nations that were at one point warring against one another... the conflicts and disasters that were formerly confined to international fighting among nations, along with the disease and disasters, will quickly progress to local streets and riots and general civil conflict within communities and families. We are witnessing a hint of all this now.
However things get worse, much worse, because the focus changes. Those nations and communities that were at each other's throats, now turn their focus on "you". The church. And not just any church. But the church that refuses to join with Babylon. The church that hasn't fallen like the rest. The church that Satan specifically wars against...
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. ”
Revelation 12:17 KJV
The last days aren't about a small nation in the Middle East. The issues are global. They are spiritual. Not literal. And not local.
JEALOUS Israel identity THIEVES love TOOTING their own horns, because God is BUSY TOOTING Israel in the Land of the Bible in international news EVERY day! Nobody seems to even know who the Israel wannabees are, just a faint TOOT (Look at me).
The Blood of Yeshua against the Israel identity thieves in the Name of Yeshua!
The Blood of Yeshua against the Israel identity thieves in the Name of Yeshua!
ScottA
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Every one of your comments/questions can be answered with "It is finished."
But, no, advocating for doing a battle that Christ already won over again, is against God.
It's in the Bible: "It is finished." The only reason for wanting more, would be for unbelief.
And no I am not a Preterist. What I have said is what Jesus said--and that is not what Preterism is. Why don't you learn what Preterism is before making accusations? See how you revealed your ignorance?
No, "It is finished." But it does sound like your war against God is not finished yet. If you expect God to do a do-over war that He has already won--you are in the middle of it. "It is finished" for Him, but not for you.
Preterist imagination!
I've debated Preterists. You fit the description!
Redemption is what "is finished". I highly recommend it for Preterists.No, "It is finished." But it does sound like your war against God is not finished yet. If you expect God to do a do-over war that He has already won--you are in the middle of it. "It is finished" for Him, but not for you.
ScottA
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Quoting you: "The battle that you are referring to has already occurred. (I.E. Preterist!)
"Every nation and people and king were represented in Christ on the cross--on earth. But the prophecy does indeed also refer to the heavenly Jerusalem, and the victory is his, "It is finished."
I.E. YOUR imagination!
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Mosheli
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I think the reason all nations will attack Israel/Jerusalem is because of "antisemitism" because of bad things the Jews have allegedly done (they were allegedly behind communism (Marx, Trotsky, etc) and are behind zionism which is allegedly globalism, and behind the media etc in the USA, etc) and because of alleged bad things being done in the Palestinian war (and also the wars with neighbouring Islamic countries like Iran). The sort of thing that happened under Nazism. Christians (part of the woman's seed) will be included in antisemitism because Christianity was from Semitic Jesus & Paul etc.
I don't think they attack them just because of being anti-God, because Revelation etc seem to imply Israel/Jews are mostly unsaved except for 1/3rd remnant or 144000? Revelation calls Jerusalem "Sodom & Egypt". Though Satan and all his followers will also be anti-God/anti-Jesus and so saved Messianic Jews and Christians will also be targeted because of that reason too and because of refusing to take the mark of the beast.
* I say "alleged" because they may be true or may not be or may be part true and part not.
I don't think they attack them just because of being anti-God, because Revelation etc seem to imply Israel/Jews are mostly unsaved except for 1/3rd remnant or 144000? Revelation calls Jerusalem "Sodom & Egypt". Though Satan and all his followers will also be anti-God/anti-Jesus and so saved Messianic Jews and Christians will also be targeted because of that reason too and because of refusing to take the mark of the beast.
* I say "alleged" because they may be true or may not be or may be part true and part not.
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