Answer the questions please. Stop avoiding. You obviously have nothing to corroborate your Preillennialism, as i predicted.
Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?
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David in NJ
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The fact that Satan is roaming free, sure puts a damper on amil beliefs.
The fact that satan is not bound is the main reason amil is obviously error.
That and obviously, the 7 yr trib can not possibly be something from the past.
Where do we read the serpent who was more subtil (cunning and crafty) than any of the beasts of the field was fallen? Again, that's assumption that cannot be biblically proven. You add your assumption by adding at the creation he was already fallen assuming after being created good??? John says only that the devil was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth. The implication is that the devil, was made by God to be more subtil than any other creature, and the accounting for what occurred in the beginning when God created ALL things in the heavens, the earth and sea in SIX days shows the serpent, even though being cunning and crafty was permitted by God to have access to the garden of Eden where A&E, created without knowing good or evil dwelt.
John 8:44 (KJV) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Everybody can see that you have no Scripture. You're only promoting what you've been taught. You previously alleged that the millennium is taught in "in Genesis and then in the Gospel and then in Revelation." Yet, you have not been able to quote one passage to corroborate your opinion of Revelation 20. Everyone watching on knows, including yourself, that you have nothing.
Nothing! Zilch! Nada!
If you had support, you would be quick to present it. But you don't because you haven't. You are not deceiving anybody but yourself.
This is faulty reasoning.
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"...God allow... "
I can say every good and bad thing that happens is in that framework.
"God allows"....and it is half the actual reality.
The devil was created for a purpose that was derailed.
That derailed purpose did not catch God by surprise.
Nor did the fall in the garden.
God operates in a "now dimension" even though he sees the future.
He is able to do that.
If not, he would have to fake anger when he confronts rebellion.
If I knew my son was going to steal my pocket knife while I was sleeping, and I clearly saw 1 week ahead of time, him walking into my room, and what he was wearing, and vividly saw his hand grab my knife and I even saw what pocket he put my knife in, and the exact time of night it was, and I saw what he did with it, and it was all vivid and real, Just like I was watching a movie.
And then that very night when I knew it was gonna happen, i didn't say anything or do anything....i allowed it to happen.
Think about that, and the fact that God not only knew that ,But every single thing that all his sons will do.
Which is all Christians at large.
He could actually stop every single thing and turn us into robots couldn't he?
"God allows", is a huge trap, once men begin to think they "understand " eternal things.
No humanoid can go there.
Unless they know the PURPOSE of the intercessors, and the authority of the believer.
Passive Christianity holds on to circumstances in confusion.
Proactive, on the other hand, is what Jesus taught.
No it doesn't! How does Satan roam free as the spirit of this world? Paul tells us this evil spirit works in "the children of disobedience." That shows us how the spirit of this world can be roaming free throughout the earth, yet be bound from holding the nations of the world in bondage to fear of death for whosoever is born again. Satan, the adversary of Christ walks among us in this world through children of disobedience. IOW through those he still holds in bondage to fear of death and sin, doing his bidding. He uses the nature or natural tendency of the children of wrath, those who have not been born again by turning to Christ for everlasting life.
Ephesians 2:2-3 (KJV) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
1 Peter 5:8-9 (KJV) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
There are ZERO verses to be found FROM the Scripture to prove there will be seven literal years of great tribulation. This erroneous doctrine must be read INTO the Bible because it is found NOWHERE IN the Bible.
Assumptions and opinions have little sway over truth! Prove what you allege FROM the Word of God.
Your reply is lacking Scripture to prove what you allege! Not interested in opinions and assumptions that cannot be shown FROM the Word of God.
David in NJ
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Genesis is not Scripture!!! = WOW
100% CORRECT = i have been taught by the HOLY SPIRIT
100% CORRECT
100% FALSE
GENESIS = Adam lived 930 years and Methuselah lived 969 years.
Do you understand math/percentages???
31 years divided by 1,000 years is 0.031
Methuselah missed out on a COMPLETE 1,000 Literal Years by only 3%
GOD's Promise to those who belong to Him = 1,000 Literal Years ruling with CHRIST in Glorified Eternal Bodies
And that is just the Beginning!!!
Ronald David Bruno
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All those who truly believe in Jesus and baptized by the Holy Spirit ( born again). I'd like to think all 2.7 billion will go but there is evidence of many left behind. A relationship with Jesus means you are doing/practicing what He commands: Love God, love your neighbor- not always easy to do, but it is a practice. If when you became a Christian, there were no inner or outer changes and you did not immerse yourself in scriptures, find a church to learn and grow, then how deep is your love really? By their fruit, you will know them and we see many who are more immersed in themselves, the worldly things, money. We live in the world but are aliens. We know it's temporary. We pray often.
So no, not all who claim will go. But Christ is the Author of our faith and so if you are one of His sheep eventually you'll make it, but maybe not at the Rapture.
Personally I think when every eye sees Him, is when a remnant Jewish population will be converted and that's after the Rapture. And so they will be put through the fire along with the rest and tested.
Here is the logical reasoning behind people being left behind.
Since the Church once raptured, receive eternal spiritual bodies capable of existing in both spiritual and physical realms, won't be able to procreate, who will then procreate in the Millennial Kingdom?
In Isaiah 11:8 it says nursing infants will play near cobras! So mortals will coexist and live on earth, while we will be priests over them. Populations of those who survived the GT will grow. In Dan. 12, the Bible claims, "blessed are those who make it to day 1335" (the end of the GT and beginning of the Millennial Kingdom).
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Where does the Bible write that believers shall rule with Christ in glorified eternal bodies for one thousand literal years?
LOL. What has that to do with the millennium? Nothing! Just like i predicted! Talk about gerrymandering. Talk about butchering the Word of God to support you ever. This is ridiculous. With this twisted type of hermeneutics, you could literally make the Bible say whatever you want, and you do. It is clear that you have absolutely nothing to support your faulty opinion of Revelation 20. Why not admit it and abandon it?
Where is your supposed future millennial kingdom taught in the gospels? The first principle of evidence is: he who alleges most prove.
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Your claim is "False"
You claim that the resurrection of believers seen in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 takes place and then a group left behind goes into a future 7 year tribulation on this earth?
"Fact" When Jesus returns the resurrection of "All" takes place, this is on (The Last Day) The End
Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End)
1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return
(Destroyed Them All)
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above
John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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Rev 20
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison
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