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Scooter Jackson

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Been doing some reading lately on christian doctrine and I keep running in to people saying it's normal to sin daily and it's not possible to stop living in sin. It's like they are saying there's no hope to be free from living in sin and they have just accepted that this is normal.

What sects are teaching this exactly, does anybody know?
 
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I was taught this through many Calvinist preachers and speakers. It's just not biblical.
 

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So it's something coming out of reformed theology then?
I think so. It's just not exclusive to them. A lot of churches have adopted this idea because it gets more people involved by lowering the standard of righteousness. I have yet to see any denomination hold the standard up consistently.
 

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I think so. It's just not exclusive to them. A lot of churches have adopted this idea because it gets more people involved by lowering the standard of righteousness. I have yet to see any denomination hold the standard up consistently.

Many churches that claim to be non denominational and independent are greatly influenced by reformed theology.

That's one of the enemies tricks is claiming to not be involved or influenced by certain things as they teach the very things they claim to not be involved or influenced by.
 
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I think there is an important difference that can get lost when Christians say, “We sin every day.”

Scripture does not teach that Christians are incapable of sinning after conversion. John says:
“If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.”- 1 John 1:8 NIV

John says immediately afterward:

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.”- 1 John 1:9 NIV

Then he makes the purpose of his writing very clear:

“I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.”- 1 John 2:1 NIV

So there is a difference between committing a sin and dealing with it before God and continuing to live in known, unrepented sin as a way of life.

Paul asks the same question:
“Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" Romans 6:1–2 NIV

The new birth changes our relationship with sin. We may stumble, we may fail, and we may transgress God's will, but the believer should not make peace with sin. The Holy Spirit brings conviction, leading us to confession and repentance.

This is why I would be cautious about saying simply, “It is normal for Christians to sin every day.” If that means we are still capable of sinning every day, Scripture supports our need for ongoing confession and dependence upon Christ. If it means Christians are expected to remain in habitual, unrepented sin because freedom from sin is impossible, Scripture does not support that.

John is particularly strong on this point: “No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.” - 1 John 3:6 NIV

That does not mean Christians achieve sinless perfection. It means that continuing in sin cannot be treated as the normal Christian way of life.

I think the problem develops when God's grace is separated from repentance and sanctification. Grace is not permission to remain in sin. Grace teaches us to turn away from ungodliness: “It teaches us to say ‘No’ to ungodliness and worldly passions and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in this present age.” - Titus 2:12

So yes, Christians can sin. But there is a significant biblical difference between a believer who sins and repents and a person who deliberately continues in sin without repentance.

The goal of salvation is not merely that we are forgiven every time we sin. It is that we are being transformed into the likeness of Christ and increasingly freed from the power and practice of sin.
 

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I think so. It's just not exclusive to them. A lot of churches have adopted this idea because it gets more people involved by lowering the standard of righteousness. I have yet to see any denomination hold the standard up consistently.
what is the standard to be held to?