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sojourner4Christ

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Amen, Bronzesnake.

BTW, you report a post that you think is against the rules, by using the REPORT link on the bottom left of that post.
"BTW," that had already been done prior to your reply. You posted your slander in public, thus forfeiting your Matthew 18 opportunity; so you were likewise rebuked in public. Meanwhile, what your friend in the mod department does with you in private is up to him.

Are you two tag teamers that run around different Christian forums spreading your false teachings?
Your [removed] preemptive dismissal tactics are now exposed for all to see. You've been asked several times to back up your continuous character assassination attempts with documentation, but, of course, there is none.

That we're presently in this thread, rather than some other, is irrelevant, as your tactics are identical where ever you post.

The word of God is clear that it is a sin to deal presumptuously with others. Time to suck it up, bro StanJ. I have forgiven you, but I can't speak for others.
 

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zeke25 said:
Thank you for the reply. If you had not identified exactly what it was you had a problem with I would have never ever guessed that it was Mounce’s translation of Matthew 26:17.

I met sojourner4Christ on this forum and had not known him anywhere else or before. This is the only forum on which I currently write on. Yes, in the past, but not now, I exchanged some emails with him, but his email no longer works and I haven't corresponded with him for over a week. We have our disagreements as well, but have thus far handled them in a respectful fashion. This is why I suggested that we email, instead of airing our disagreements on a forum that has its share of those who delight in un-Christ like behavior and disrespect.

In other words StanJ, you're not being double teamed. sojourner4Christ makes his decisions independent of me and I make mine independent of him. I had no way of knowing that he was going to make the posts that he made, or what type of post he would make. Can we say that for all the others who post on this forum? I don't know and I really don't care. Being tag teamed or double teamed merely means to me that I have more people to have Christian dialogue with.
I don't have a problem with the verse or the translations Zeke...I gave you the link to show you how some English translations render it.
Here are five of them; https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt%2026:17&version=MOUNCE;HCSB;ESV;NASB;NRSV

I really wasn't asking for a personal blow by blow of your relationship with sojourner....it was a sarcastic comment based on my observation and I assumed those of others, for him to see.

I have already read his vehement response.

Bronzesnake said:
Stan.
do you have a brother?
Check out the guy on youtube here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsArAugFFgE

I don't know what it is about this subject, but as I previously stated, it always seems to get Christians at each other's throats.
Having said that, I've read through most of the linked sources, and I am still standing firm on the KJV

Take care all

John
He doesn't look anything like my brothers John, and yes I have two... but they are NOT end of times nut bars.
Standing firm on what about the KJV?

sojourner4Christ said:
"BTW," that had already been done prior to your reply. You posted your slander in public, thus forfeiting your Matthew 18 opportunity; so you were likewise rebuked in public. Meanwhile, what your friend in the mod department does with you in private is up to him.
Your satanic preemptive dismissal tactics are now exposed for all to see. You've been asked several times to back up your continuous character assassination attempts with documentation, but, of course, there is none.
That we're presently in this thread, rather than some other, is irrelevant, as your tactics are identical where ever you post.
The word of God is clear that it is a sin to deal presumptuously with others. Time to suck it up, bro StanJ. I have forgiven you, but I can't speak for others.
WOW, quite vitriolic and vehement.... [removed by the mod]

I suggest you make a point and not keep posting ad hominem attacks.
 

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Hey Stan.
Ya, in reference to your brother, that was tongue in cheek.
Ya, I'm stuck on the KJV brother. The wife is probably right (as always) I'm just sort of stubborn.
We have a microwave, but I still prefer to take the time to actually use the oven. I saw a documentary once and a dish of water was microwaved, then allowed to cool.
That sample was used to water a plant, and another water sample, not put through the microwave was used to water another, same plant.
the
The plant which was watered with microwaved water, started to wilt, then it actually finally died.
The plant watered with normal water grew just fine.
We have an electric can opener - I use the hand twist one.
We have pencils and pens, I use a chisel and rock!

Take care Stan

John
 

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StanJ,

I don't know why I bother, but why do you think I keep needing you to give me various Bible translations? A long time ago I checked about 50 of them out, just to see where they take it. About ½ of them had corrupted Mt. 26:17 and one of those was the NIV. So, there is a war going on for the truth at your expense. Not at my expense, because I studied it out. So, why didn't you list the NIV, are you happy with that translation of Mt. 26:17 also, because it contradicts the ones you posted? Besides, you have side-stepped the issue that you have falsely accused me of lying. I gave you the explanation and you have ignored it. Are you going to persist in bearing false witness or are you going to apologize and humble yourself before God and repent of your un-Christlike attitude? Because without a change in attitude we have nothing to talk about.

Bronzesnake said:
Hey Stan.
Ya, in reference to your brother, that was tongue in cheek.
Ya, I'm stuck on the KJV brother. The wife is probably right (as always) I'm just sort of stubborn.
We have a microwave, but I still prefer to take the time to actually use the oven. I saw a documentary once and a dish of water was microwaved, then allowed to cool.
That sample was used to water a plant, and another water sample, not put through the microwave was used to water another, same plant.
the
The plant which was watered with microwaved water, started to wilt, then it actually finally died.
The plant watered with normal water grew just fine.
We have an electric can opener - I use the hand twist one.
We have pencils and pens, I use a chisel and rock!

Take care Stan

John
I'm not sure what the message is here Bronzesnake, are you insinuating that maybe StanJ drinks microwaved water? :lol: I don't think he will take it well, I haven't seen his sense of humor yet - it is probably hidden with Obama's birth certificate. <_< And the video is priceless, I'm not convinced at all that it is StanJ's brother, I think maybe it is Stan himself, but I can't be sure. Maybe if I hear him falsely call someone a liar, then I'll know for sure.
 

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Bronzesnake said:
Hey Stan.
Ya, in reference to your brother, that was tongue in cheek.
Ya, I'm stuck on the KJV brother. The wife is probably right (as always) I'm just sort of stubborn.
We have a microwave, but I still prefer to take the time to actually use the oven. I saw a documentary once and a dish of water was microwaved, then allowed to cool.
That sample was used to water a plant, and another water sample, not put through the microwave was used to water another, same plant.
the
The plant which was watered with microwaved water, started to wilt, then it actually finally died.
The plant watered with normal water grew just fine.
We have an electric can opener - I use the hand twist one.
We have pencils and pens, I use a chisel and rock!

Take care Stan

John
I wouldn't eat if it wasn't for my microwave....just got a new one with a few more watts in it. :)
I was told decades ago that aspartame was not good for me either yet I'm still here and no worse for wear. I tend to believe that got takes care of us despite our short comings.
zeke25 said:
StanJ,

I don't know why I bother, but why do you think I keep needing you to give me various Bible translations? A long time ago I checked about 50 of them out, just to see where they take it. About ½ of them had corrupted Mt. 26:17 and one of those was the NIV. So, there is a war going on for the truth at your expense. Not at my expense, because I studied it out. So, why didn't you list the NIV, are you happy with that translation of Mt. 26:17 also, because it contradicts the ones you posted? Besides, you have side-stepped the issue that you have falsely accused me of lying. I gave you the explanation and you have ignored it. Are you going to persist in bearing false witness or are you going to apologize and humble yourself before God and repent of your un-Christlike attitude? Because without a change in attitude we have nothing to talk about.
You say corrupted, but it could very well be the codexes used by the translators. In any event I know the translators and their creds. I can't say the same for you. In any event the issue is trivial.
Both you and that Tide guy have accused me of bearing false witness and yet have not shown where or how I did so I guess if you can't show me I can't repent of it.
 

sojourner4Christ

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Both you and that Tide guy have accused me of bearing false witness and yet have not shown where or how I did so I guess if you can't show me I can't repent of it.

Yes, you slandered, and you repeatedly dealt presumptuously. And you were shown and admonished, by both of us in public and by the mod’s in private. No man can tell you how to repent, and NO MAN IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR REPENTANCE OR LACK THEREOF. Your petition before the King of kings does not require any man's sanction. The word repent is found over 100 times in the KJB. A simple read of the verses where the word is found will tell you all you need to know to get right before the King of kings.

That which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. -- Luke 16:15. The wisdom you seek comes from God’s Holy Spirit. It will never come from 'scholars.' I strongly urge you to cease promoting the opinions of fallible men and rather seek the Truth while it may yet be found.

Godspeed, my friend.
 

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sojourner4Christ said:
Yes, you slandered, and you repeatedly dealt presumptuously. And you were shown and admonished, by both of us in public and by the mod’s in private. No man can tell you how to repent, and NO MAN IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR REPENTANCE OR LACK THEREOF. Your petition before the King of kings does not require any man's sanction. The word repent is found over 100 times in the KJB. A simple read of the verses where the word is found will tell you all you need to know to get right before the King of kings.

That which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. -- Luke 16:15. The wisdom you seek comes from God’s Holy Spirit. It will never come from 'scholars.' I strongly urge you to cease promoting the opinions of fallible men and rather seek the Truth while it may yet be found.

Godspeed, my friend.
and yet tide guy you seem to be incapable of telling or showing me where I did, so I guess you're just lying or don't have a real grasp on reality. In either case I have not heard from the mods about anything I posted in this thread except when I asked [an insulting question that was removed and should stay removed - edited by mod].
Now either show me where I lied or shut it.
BTW, I'm NOT your friend and I highly doubt you're a brother.
 

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and yet tide guy you seem to be incapable of telling or showing me where I did, so I guess you're just lying or don't have a real grasp on reality. In either case I have not heard from the mods about anything I posted in this thread except when I asked if you were off your meds.
Now either show me where I lied or shut it.
BTW, I'm NOT your friend and I highly doubt you're a brother.
My nic is sojourner4Christ. You know that, everyone knows that. So why are you engaging again in name-calling ala "Tide guy"? The reason is obvious.

You have again broken the forum rules, StanJ. Your continuing disrespect has no place in a Christian forum. You can deal with the mod's again.
 

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sojourner4Christ said:
My nic is sojourner4Christ. You know that, everyone knows that. So why are you engaging again in name-calling ala "Tide guy"? The reason is obvious.

You have again broken the forum rules, StanJ. Your continuing disrespect has no place in a Christian forum. You can deal with the mod's again.
What's wrong with this picture sojourner4Christ? A poster here admits that he heard from the mods, and we can see where the mods made a deletion from that poster. Okay. Hmmm. But then that poster repeats the same infraction by posting it again. :ph34r: Is this a slick ninja move or what? I wonder if it's okay the second time around? Maybe he will wear the mods down. <_< Maybe it won't get deleted this time.

Whatever happened to the good ole days when a person could come to a thread and discuss the issues that were raised, and a foiler would not show up to prevent that from happening?
 

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zeke25 said:
What's wrong with this picture sojourner4Christ? A poster here admits that he heard from the mods, and we can see where the mods made a deletion from that poster. Okay. Hmmm. But then that poster repeats the same infraction by posting it again. :ph34r: Is this a slick ninja move or what? I wonder if it's okay the second time around? Maybe he will wear the mods down. <_< Maybe it won't get deleted this time.

Whatever happened to the good ole days when a person could come to a thread and discuss the issues that were raised, and a foiler would not show up to prevent that from happening?
If it was the good old days, you two would be gone by now.
sojourner4Christ said:
My nic is sojourner4Christ. You know that, everyone knows that. So why are you engaging again in name-calling ala "Tide guy"? The reason is obvious.

You have again broken the forum rules, StanJ. Your continuing disrespect has no place in a Christian forum. You can deal with the mod's again.
Well, if you're gonna rip off Tide for your own self aggrandizement, I feel no compunction in using it accordingly. I'm pretty sure if they knew, you would be getting a "Cease and desist order". Maybe you should think about that.
 

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I'd agree with you, zeke25. But I'm quite concerned for StanJ.

Here's the Tide logo:

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Of course, as you can see, it looks nothing like the image I use. Is StanJ typing in Braile?

StanJ: We pretty much have the OT today because some Jewish scholars had foresight and translated the Torah into Greek way back around 350 BC.

‘All stand and clap for the "foresight" of the “Jewish scholars.”’

StanJ: I haven't met or read ONE actual Greek or Hebrew scholar that supports the KJVO dogma. MANY down right refute it.

Apparently, StanJ doesn’t get out much.

StanJ: If one really has a desire to KNOW God and His Word, he will STUDY God's word, which means the Greek and Hebrew.

Yet StanJ can’t can find ANY verse in ANY so-called bible that equates God’s word to “the Greek and Hebrew.” Likewise, he can’t find ANY verse in ANY so-called bible telling ANYONE to “STUDY” “the Greek and Hebrew.”

Hmmm...if not the Bible, then where is StanJ getting his ideas from?

StanJ: What's your point? Everyone makes money who publishes books.

Ahhh, ‘it’s just a generic issue of books and their generated income.’

StanJ: I'll ask again, what's your point. Quoting Acts means nothing in the context of this thread.

We understand why the word of God e.g. “Quoting Acts” “means nothing in the context of this thread” to StanJ. Rather, “the context of this thread” is ALL ABOUT semantics as it relates to the word of God.

StanJ: This copyright issue is a red herring and really only serves to avoid the real issue of being enslaved to a centuries old English translation of the original Greek and Hebrew texts.

‘But rather StanJ’s recommended ‘scholars’ are not “enslaved.” Praise them.’

The hackneyed “the original Greek and Hebrew texts” is the true “red herring” (but one would first need to be a Godly fisher of men to discern that).

StanJ: [The KJV’s] colloquialisms don't have the same meaning today as they did 400 years ago...

Has the world since “400 years ago” grown closer to God, or further away from God? The world has darkened, while StanJ’s ‘scholars’ continue to feign enlightenment.

StanJ: A vast majority of SCHOLARS disagree with you...

Praise God! Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. Luke 6:26

StanJ: ...unless you can provide credentialed evidence that we can see then you're pretty much like all KJVO slaves.

Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Luke 16:15

StanJ:... I have studied the Bible for over 43 years and have found there are MANY errors in English translations. The KJV is worse than some and no better than most of the modern English translations.

So now the “studied” StanJ himself claims to be the arbiter of the word of God!

StanJ: Not everyone knows about Greek scholars, which is why I qualified that reference to Wallace.

Yes, indeed, you would need to ‘qualify’ it because the less that “everyone knows about Greek scholars,” the closer their walk with the King would be.

StanJ: Sorry, I did answer that somewhere today, and said it will probably be the language that existed BEFORE the tower of Babel, IF we even talk then. It may be telepathic by that point. FYI, I am on a few forums so I tend to confuse what I've said where.

So the “language” was “telepathic” back then? And is that confusion caused by a 'crossing of the telepathic wires'? In any case, we shall soon learn the fate of one of StanJ’s ‘recommended’ scholars who also would claim telepathic abilities...

StanJ: If you mean Wallace, yes he does. He IS what would be termed an EXPERT.

In other words, ‘I endorse him; follow my recommended EXPERT.’

StanJ: ...serious study of the Word of God requires that you go outside of the KJV to the original languages and others tools. Doing that will show you what is indeed accurate.

We shall soon learn the fate of one of StanJ’s ‘recommended’ ‘scholars’ who went “outside of the KJV” to “other tools” (including necromancy and telepathy). That ‘scholar’ was shown, albeit too late, “what is indeed accurate.”

StanJ: I have no problem with people that prefer the KJV. I only have a problem with those that advocate KJV ONLY, and/or bash modern English translations that have been proven more accurate. You sure won't find this divisiveness among non-English translations.

“[P]roven more accurate” by whom? By your ‘recommended’ ‘scholars’?

StanJ: Zeke, when you can establish you have the same credentials as Dan Wallace, and know what you're talking about, we may be able to give you some credulity.

“[W]e”? as in ‘we, scholars’? And more “credentials” pap? ...insulting Zeke by implying that Zeke does not know ‘what he’s talking about’?

StanJ: In any event I know the translators and their creds. I can't say the same for you.

Again, StanJ is esteeming “translators and their creds” above the laity. StanJ is looking to one’s persona i.e. worldly status. StanJ is a respector of persons, while God is not. God hates that.

StanJ: Oh I know you Zeke...I recognize that spirit where ever I encounter it.

Are we to believe that StanJ can “recognize” a “spirit”? If not from the inspired word of God, then from whom is StanJ claiming his qualifications?

StanJ: If you have FACTS to share then feel free to do so, but you MO is to assert falsehoods and prevaricate. Nothing I wish to engage in.

‘Well, that’s mighty magnanimous of StanJ.’ Me thinks I “have FACTS to share."

Incredible as it may seem, we will be relating all of this directly back to the OP shortly.
 

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S4C, your profile picture is obviously modeled after the tide logo, it even has a detergent like slogan underneath.

This topic needs to return to the OP now, not later. The personal attacks and accusations also need to stop.
 
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lforrest said:
S4C, your profile picture is obviously modeled after the tide logo, it even has a detergent like slogan underneath.

This topic needs to return to the OP now, not later. The personal attacks and accusations also need to stop.
Unless the OP is opposed, I for one think it's probably best to close this thread.
 

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Getting back to the OP:


...The changes being made in the modern versions are not incidental. They are part of a satanic agenda to undermine key Biblical teachings and prepare the population for an all-inclusive one world religion.

The opinions of men, or the truth? Which one floats your boat? Which one floats God’s boat?

Does the above OP claim ring true? What is the documented truth of the matter with respect to particular postings in this thread??

Also, if someone promotes ungodly advice, what is the born again believer’s duty?

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them....
But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Eph. 5:11, 13

Don’t join in with them; don’t partake of the unclean thing with them; don’t give any life to their dead thing -- but reprove them.

reprove: to admonish; to criticize or correct, especially gently; to disapprove of strongly; to censure; to disprove or refute.

Notice also that when one reproves another, their true spiritual nature is made manifest. The light of the revealed truth causes another to manifest his true spiritual nature.

A question then, for all of us as sinners is, what do each of us resolve to do when we are presented with the truth? i.e. how do we react and resume?

In my experiences with Satanic elements, I have seen devils make themselves evident in a person, i.e. manifest, when I confronted that person with the truth, the light. But one’s ‘experiences’ are neither the topic here nor the criteria for determining truth.

It is not my intent to single anyone out, for we have all fallen short of the glory of God. Yet advice has been given, and opinions have been pushed, that may have their basis in deception. Further, the New Age satanic agenda, as suggested per the OP, may fit hand-in-glove with the majority of those ‘recommendations.’

Thus it would behoove us to take a closer look because the born again believer is “not ignorant of [Satan’s] devices.” 2 Cor. 2:11

To illustrate, let’s take a closer look at one of those ‘recommendations.’


I was saved in 1971, and the only English version I knew about was the J B Philips version. It was great and I understood it.

Obviously, this is a straightforward endorsement of the “J B Philips [sic] version.”

Yet the vast differences between Phillips’ Greek text type and most, mirrors the vast difference between paganism and Christianity.


Just don't go telling me it's inspired or the ONLY good English translation, because that would be garbage.

Further, the poster believes there are other “English translations” that are just as “good.” Finally, he not only believes the Phillips version is not inspired (yet he clearly recommends it), but that all “English translations” are not inspired.

[The poster is indeed correct about one fact: All modern copyrighted “English translations” are not inspired. Reason? Because all of the copyrighted modern versions are sourced from the same corrupt and rejected Alexandrian manuscripts resurrected by Westcott and Hort, and men claim ownership of their copyrighted versions of them. Their source, aka the Minority Text, represents less than 1% of all available evidence.]

Obviously, these men do not know the truth about inspiration. They have not discerned and cannot discern, from their so-called bibles, the meaning and significance of the inspiration of God’s word. The reality of inspiration seriously bothers these guys, and they don’t understand why. Mention preservation, and their blood pressure kicks up even higher.

If you tell them the word of God is inspired, they’re forced to redefine the definition of the word of God to match their un-belief in inspiration. The un-inspired inventions of un-saved men is their playground. Such men and their scholarly icons can be found hiding behind a relatively new arrival on the apostacy platter -- the ”originals only” heresy.

But, I digress.

Getting back to the poster’s recommendation of the J. B. Phillips version:


I was saved in 1971, and the only English version I knew about was the J B Philips version. It was great and I understood it.
There are many posts in this thread (and in other forums) where the fruits, e.g. opinions about one-man copyrighted versions of the word of God, have been liberally strewn about. We are commanded to inspect that fruit, to judge righteous judgment.

For example, let’s look at a small fraction of the quality of fruit produced via the touted “J. B. Philips [sic] version.”

The majority do not know that J. B. Phillips was a spiritualist, necromancer, and new version editor -- one of at least a half-dozen such ‘editors’ whose voice was justly silenced.

Phillips said, “You will see how and why a modern translation produces vastly different results.” (Alfred Marshal, The NASB Interlinear Greek-English New Testament, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan Publishing House, 1984, p. ii.)

Read Phillips’ autobiography. He flatly denies a belief in the inerrancy of scriptures, and the verses cited are not representative of the deity issue at all. Yet, for most, the false impressions remain.

The autobiography of J. B. Phillips [NASB Interlinear Greek-English New Testament Forward, J. B. Phillips Translation] lays bare his beliefs (about his billfold). He not only expects to receive royalties from the sale of these versions but those who use “external quotes...must expect to pay a proper copyright fee.” (J. B. Phillips, The Price of Success (London: Hodder and Stoughton, 1984), p. 163).

You can purchase the book for yourself here:
http://www.amazon.com/Price-Success-J-B-Phillips/dp/0877886598/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1408685489&sr=1-1&keywords=J.+B.+Phillips+the+price+of+success

Phillips believes that even those who doubt the existence of God are saved, even though they have never received Jesus Christ as their Saviour. He contends:

“Those who give themselves in love to others did in fact ’know God’, however loudly they might protest their agnosticism.” (J. B. Phillips, The Ring of Truth, A Translator’s Testimony (New York: The Maxmillan Company, 1976), p. 67).

You can purchase the book for yourself here:

http://www.amazon.com/Ring-Truth-Translators-J-B-Phillips/dp/0877887241/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1408685653&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=J.+B.+PhillipsThe+Ring+of+Truth%2C+A+Translator%E2%80%99s+Testimony

“I felt bound to abandon the God-dictated-every-word-from-cover-to-cover attitude.” (The Ring of Truth. p. 150).

Does hell exist? Phillips says, ”I seriously doubt this.” (see Ring of Truth and Price of Success, p. 10).

Phillips is also the author of the best selling MacMillan translation, The New Testament in Modern English and other recent translations of the bible.

Phillips became involved in necromancy during a period in his life in which he felt horribly despondent, particularly at nighttime. God, he said, was not near to him and he sought comfort desperately. However, in his biography, Ring of Truth: A Translator’s Testimony, Phillips brags:

“Many of us who believe in what is technically known as the Communion of Saints must have experienced the sense of nearness, for a fairly short time, of those we love soon after they have died. This has certainly happened to me several times. But the late C. S. Lewis whom I did not know very well and had seen in the flesh once, but with whom I had corresponded a fair amount, gave me an unusual experience. A few days after his death, while I was watching television, he ‘appeared’ sitting in a chair within a few feet of me and spoke a few words which were particularly relevant to the difficult circumstances through which I was passing. He was ruddier in complexion than ever, grinning all over his face and as the old fashioned saying has it, positively glowing in health. The interesting thing to me was that I had not been thinking about him at all. I was neither alarmed or surprised...He was just there...larger than life and twice as natural. A week later, this time when I was in bed, reading before going to sleep, he appeared again, even more rosily radiant than before and reported to me the same message which was very important to me at the time. I was a little puzzled and mentioned it to a saintly Bishop...His reply was, ‘My dear J. B., this sort of thing is happening all the time.” (Ring of Truth, p. 119).

...The changes being made in the modern versions are not incidental. They are part of a satanic agenda to undermine key Biblical teachings and prepare the population for an all-inclusive one world religion.

Are we beginning to see the connection?
 

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Sadly this type of rhetoric runs rampant among KJVO fanatics and is consistently propagated to forums without citation because there is none. Lies and rumors spread on the internet and never even investigated by those who continue to post them. Regardless of Phillips's shortcomings, real or imaginary, God says in Isaiah 55:10-11;
As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.

This is all we need to know and those that will slander and malign men of God, will receive their recompense at the judgment.
Also the sad pathetic attempt to denigrate Westcott & Hort when the Latin Vulgate and Textus Receptus are far more challenged in their accuracy, is another typical ploy of KJVO supporters who show no willingness what-so-ever to offer any proof of their lies but continue to propagate them because they've read it somewhere on the net. The fact is that the vast majority of modern day English NT translations stem from the GNT/NA Greek texts seems to be lost on those that condemn W&H.

I will stand up for ALL men who have tried to make the Greek and Hebrew texts more understandable for ALL languages including English, but those who insist on supporting the nonsense that ANY language but the Greek or Hebrew autographs was inspired, is deceived and living in a false reality. Even worse are those that support the nonsense that a four hundred year old Elizabethan English translation was inspired of God.

As it is a proven fact that modern Greek scholars have much more accurate and detailed codexes than ever in history, the only thing KJVO proponents do is detract from what God is trying to do with His Word.
 

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StanJ said:
God says in Isaiah 55:10-11;
As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
Thank you Stan you just helped me find the scripture Im going to finish my assignment with.
NICE!!

P.S My NIV was given to me by my mum at my baptism. and it has been with me ever since, God has taught me everything I know through it and he has even spoken to me using the verses inside it.

Thank You God for my NIV!!
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Rather, continuing with the documented truth:


...The changes being made in the modern versions are not incidental. They are part of a satanic agenda to undermine key Biblical teachings and prepare the population for an all-inclusive one world religion.

Are we beginning to see the connection?

The message ‘C. S. Lewis’ gave to Phillips was identical to that given by all New Age channelers today. C. S. Lewis merely told him in essence, “I’m OK, You’re OK; Don’t Worry. Be Happy (about your distance from God).” Phillips’ despondency and ‘distance’ from God, as he describes it, were brought on by his faulty theology.

Is it scriptural to believe God took men like Phillips and catapulted them to the position of greatest influence over the body of Christ, that of bible correctors? Scripture identifies them as God’s rejected - not God’s chosen.

DEATH: A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit or that is a wizard shall surely be put to death. Leviticus 20:27

Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king. (1 Samuel 15:23) So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it (1 Chronicles 10:13). And inquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him. (1 Chronicles 10:13, 14)

CUT OFF: And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul and will cut him off from among his people. (Leviticus 20:6)

The Lord will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and THE SCHOLAR. (Malachi 2:12)

And when they shall say to you, ‘Seek unto them that have familiar spirits...it is because there is no light in them. (Isaiah 8:19,20)

Phillips tells in his own autobiography, “I was still doing a fair measure of speaking in schools and churches until the late summer of 1961. And then quite suddenly my speaking, writing and communication powers stopped. I was not in panic but I was certainly alarmed, and when a few weeks rest brought no improvement I cancelled all speaking engagements for the rest of the year" (age 55). The Price of Success, the title of his autobiography, is apropos.

“The froward tongue shall be cut out.” (Proverbs 10:31)

The speechless sphinx syndrome can even happen to a believer, as it did to Zacharias, because “...thou believest not my words” (Luke 1:20).

“What hast thou to do to declare my statutes or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? Seeing thou hatest instruction and casteth my words behind thee.” (Psalm 50:16-20)

The ‘dumb spirit’ may plague its host with an accompanying ‘lunacy.’ Phillips’ necromancy and the ‘dumb spirit’ it generated harassed Phillips with life-long bouts of insanity.

Phillips even used the word “demon” to describe the source of his psychosis. His autobiography repeatedly refers to E.S.P. (check the index); he said he has “known the gift of telepathy;” he asked a palm reader to read his palm; ad nauseum.

His mental illness began as what he calls a “nervous illness,” after his ordination to the priesthood of the Church of England. He resigned a pastor’s assistant job after a friend decided:

“[T]hat my trouble must be psychological and arranged for me to see the best psychologist I have ever met...He was a personal friend of Jung...Following the Jungian techniques I lay on a couch...[and] came to see for myself that the seeds of my present distress were sown in early childhood.

I found the mental pain more than I could bear and I went as a voluntary patient to a psychiatric clinic...I was at the point of breakdown...which in popular parlance is called a nervous breakdown...The hardest thing of all to bear is what I can only describe as a nameless mental pain, which is, as far as I know, beyond the reach of any drug and which I have tried in vain to describe to anyone. One of the psychiatrists asked me write down as far as I could the nature of the almost intolerable pain...He was a distinguished man in his field and was about to visit a number of mental hospitals in a south London group.”

[Phillips lists his condition as follows:]

“1. There is a slow but inevitable diminution of the self and it is apparently leading to self-extinction.
2. Familiar things become somehow touched with horror...[T]he sense of alienation means that one is not in one’s own country or has strayed into a strange country by mistake.
3. [A] roaring galloping torrent of condemnation [is] directed against the self’s achievements. With remorseless energy this particular ‘demon’ rushes to and fro up and down in one’s mind and with savage cruelty exposes everything that the self has done as being useless and worthless.”

He closes his list with another ”demon” and elsewhere writes:

“[D]emon...the hellish torments of mind...utter despair...frightening experiences...seized by irrational panic...despite the use of drugs...the fears of childhood re-appear with monstrous force...The experiences are really evil and they sometimes are terrifyingly so...[Y]ou may ask where does the Christian faith come in all of this. The answer is that probably emotionally it is of little help at all...God himself appears to be far away. [He writes of]...praying to an empty heaven...I do not believe that there is any substitute for the long unhurried conversations between the sufferer and a compassionate trained psychiatrist...I set myself down for what must be a long siege and so it has proved...I never thought, for example, that I should ever know the type of despair that leads people to self-destruction. I know it now.”

Phillips can find little help” in his own new version which is “swept” of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. (e.g., John 1:1, Galatians 2:17, Luke 24:49). His “garnished” view of salvation where “agnostics...are saved.” leaves him in “despair.” Phillips’ own instructions to “empty the mind of the ...Authorized Version” left him with the “hellish torments of the mind” brought by the “demon” disguised as C. S. Lewis.

The Jungian analysis on which Phillips relied can be as occult as his encounter with ‘the dead.’ Jungian analysis can include the use of spirit guides. Phillips’ use of the word “demon” to describe the source of his psychosis is confirmed by Jung himself. Jung’s Collected Letters Vol I records his discussion with the president of the American Society For Psychical Research, William James. He admits, spirits, not the unconscious, were the source of the psychic phenomenon he had experienced since he was three years old and living with his father, a medium and a minister. The official British Proceedings of the Society for Psychical Research (S.P.R.) published Jung’s views about spirit phenomena in 1920. (This is cited in his From the Life and Letters of C. G. Jung and his memoirs.) Jung’s experiences ranged from a six-year mental breakdown during which a spirit entity named Philemon began to channel writings through him, to seeing “the head of an old woman on the bed next to him when he opened his eyes.”

Phillips boasts:

“I have known the gift of telepathy. [This term was first devised by Westcott’s protégé Fredric Myers.]...I have had first hand incontrovertible experiences of extrasensory perception and a little precognition...I had very occasionally extrasensory powers.”

He asked a palm-reader to read his palm, remarking:

“She had never seen me before in her life. At once and without hesitation she began to tell me some of the salient points of my life and to tell me my hopes and fears -- This was, to say the least, uncanny and I said, ‘Right, now tell me what I was thinking as I walked up the stairs...’[W]ithout hesitation she told me that I had been worrying about a new car. This was perfectly true.”

Phillips’ substitution of Jung for Jesus, the TV for the KJV and the ‘spirit’ of C. S. Lewis for the Holy Spirit makes him an apt translator for a generation of Christians who are unwarily following in his footsteps, leading as they do to mental problems.

There is much more that could be documented re: J. B. Phillips, but I trust, dear reader, you get the point: Avoid him, and those who would endorse him and/or his modern copyrighted “version." ...what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?...Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, -- 2 Cor. chap. 6.


Pastors used to spend 10 - 15 minutes explaining what they had just read out of the KJV.

Now they spend even more time "correcting" God's pure inspired preserved word --- just like the wanna-be scholars in these forums.


When the NIV came out I was over joyed that God's word have come into the 20th century.

God's inspired word, the Majority Text of antiquity represented by over 99% of all evidence, e.g. the KJB, was already here --- StanJ's (and Phillips’) non-recommendation of it notwithstanding. God's pattern has always been the same: Give the COMMON man the COMMON Bible in the COMMON language of the day to do one thing - evangelize the world.

So why do wanna-be scholars cling to the less-than-1% Alexandrian Minority Text manuscripts, rejected as corrupt, on which all modern versions are based? ...Because it gives them the wiggle room they require to play wanna-be scholar, rather than submit to God.

They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak. The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us? For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.


A faithful and accurate translation of the original texts should be ANY Christians desire.

Of course it should. But it will never come from wanna-be scholars and their opinions. Thank God he has already provided his faithful with it ala his inspired preserved pure vernacular Bibles. For English speaking people today, that vernacular Bible is the KJB.

The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted. -- Psalm chap. 12

The uninspired copyrighted opinions of such men as Phillips bring death. If you have invested your time and/or money in endorsing anything copyrighted by this man, repent now.

If, as StanJ has stated, all translations are uninspired, and one of the ‘editors’ of an uninspired translation that he has ‘recommended’ in this thread (i.e. J. B. Phillips) has now been documented to be a voiceless necromancer who suffered from 'clinical' psychosis, then all other translation recommendations from StanJ are also highly suspect. After all, the onus of due diligence is on the one who would purport to know better -- and, as we've repeatedly seen, StanJ is clearly one who would purport to know better.

Bottom line: The thesis of the OP has been tried and has been found worthy, and merely on the documented facts surrounding the life of one 'recommended' modern version editor, a J. B. Phillips.

Obviously, StanJ is not well-researched on what he is promoting. BTW, spamming forum threads with web sites that merely voice the opinions of other men is NOT primary (or even secondary) source documentation.

So, at this point, StanJ's credibility (at least in this thread and in any threads concerning bible “version” issues) is zero. But the good news is, he can now re-start with a clean slate. It’s not a sin to be wrong; it’s not even a sin to be grossly wrong. It is a sin, however, to refuse the reproof, the correction, when the documented truth of the matter has been made available.

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve...but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Godspeed, StanJ.
 

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Madad21 said:
Thank you Stan you just helped me find the scripture Im going to finish my assignment with.
NICE!!

P.S My NIV was given to me by my mum at my baptism. and it has been with me ever since, God has taught me everything I know through it and he has even spoken to me using the verses inside it.

Thank You God for my NIV!!
No problem Madad...it's God's word, so all Glory to Him.
sojourner4Christ said:
So, at this point, StanJ's credibility (at least in this thread and in any threads concerning bible “version” issues) is zero. But the good news is, he can now re-start with a clean slate. It’s not a sin to be wrong; it’s not even a sin to be grossly wrong. It is a sin, however, to refuse the reproof, the correction, when the documented truth of the matter has been made available.

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve...but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Godspeed, StanJ.
Bloviating and verboseness does not equate to truth. It's simply a way that those who have no proof convey their opinions. This is the norm for KJVO proponents.
God's Word is simple and succinct truth.
http://www.bible.ca/b-kjv-only.htm#proof
 

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Comparing the niv to the kjv, the niv has so many omissions it will make your head spin. However no version of bible is perfect. Take for instance the kjv. The word easter is used once in the book of acts and easter and passover do not always fall on the same day due to the equinox. Scholars and translators have come together since and all agreed the word easter is a bad translation and newer versions say passover. Also in Genesis 1:28 the word replenish is used. It is not an acurate translation and the word was just considered a scholarly word of the time, and so it was used. For an excellent refrence to omissions in niv from kjv look at romans 8:1 and compare the two, there is a very significant omission that has profound spiritual meaning thats not found in niv. This is why the bible tells us to study to shew thyself approved (can you tell I read kjv) even more, there is much thats lost from hebrew or greek to english. Lots of people dont even know a good portion of the OT is poetry.
 

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However no version of bible is perfect. Take for instance the kjv. The word easter is used once in the book of acts and easter and passover do not always fall on the same day due to the equinox. Scholars and translators have come together since and all agreed the word easter is a bad translation and newer versions say passover.
That's scholars for ya. Their above conclusion is incorrect. Here's why:

You may be surprised to know that the word "passover" did not even exist before William Tyndale coined it for his version of 1526-31. His was also the first English Bible to use "Easter." Previously the Hebrew and Greek were left untranslated. For example, in Wycliffe's Bible, which was based on the Latin, we find pask or paske.

An article which appeared in the Trinitarian Bible
Society Quarterly Record states:

When Tyndale applied his talents to the translation of the New Testament from Greek into English, he was not satisfied with the use of a completely foreign word, and decided to take into acount the fact that the season for the passover was known generally to English people as "Easter"...Tyndale has ester or easter fourteen times, ester-lambe eleven times, esterfest once, and paschall lambe three times.

When he began his translation of the Pentateuch, he was again faced with the problem in Exodus 12:11 and twenty-one other places, and no doubt recognising that easter in this context would be an anachronism, he coined a new word, passover and used it consistently in all twenty-two places. It is, therefore, to Tyndale that our language is indebted for this meaningful and appropriate word (date of article unknown).


The English versions after Tyndale followed his example in the Old Testament and increasingly replaced "Easter" with "Passover" in the New Testament. When we come to the Authorized Version, there remained but one instance of the word "Easter" -- Acts 12:4.

It is precisely in this one passage that "Easter" must be used, and the translation "Passover" would have conflicted with the immediate context. In their rush to accuse the Authorized Version of error, many have not taken the time to consider what the passage actually says:

....(Then were the days of unleavened bread.)...intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

To begin with, the Passover occurred before the feast of unleavened bread, not after!

And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the Lord. And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. (Number 28:16-17). See also Mark 14:12
, I Cor. 5:7-8, etc.

Herod put Peter in prison during the days of unleavened bread , and therefore after the Passover. The argument that the translation "Passover" should have been used as it is intended to refer to the entire period, is ruled out by the inclusion of "these were the days of unleavened bread." Scripture does not use the word "Passover" to refer to the entire period.

Peloubet's Bible Dictionary says:

Strictly speaking the Passover only applied to the paschal supper and the feast of unleavened bread followed (p. 486).

Therefore, as the Passover had already been observed, and the days of unleavened bread were in progress, and yet Herod was still waiting for "after pascha;" we can only conclude that the word must be taken in a broader sense. History in fact does indicate a pagan and Christian interchange with the word through the translation "Easter."

A. W. Watts writes:


The Latin and Greek word for Easter is pascha, which is simply a form of the Hebrew word for passover -- pesach (Easter - Its Story and Meaning, p. 36).

Thus, the word came to be associated with both Christian and pagan observance. And it was to this latter that Herod was referring.

In an excellent study, from which some of the above has been drawn, Raymond Blanton explains (in quotations from Alexander Hislop) that Easter is Ishtar, the queen of heaven and goddess of spring:


The "pascha" that Herod was waiting for was evidently the celebration of the death and resurrection of Tammuz, the Sun god. The sunrise services today are a continuation of that pagan worship.

"...the great annual festival in commemoration of the death and resurrection of Tammuz, which was celebrated by alternate weeping and rejoicing and which, in many countries, was considerably later than the Christian festival, being observed in Palestine and Assyria in June. To conciliate the Pagans to nominal Christianity, Rome, pursuing its usual policy, took measures to get the Christian and Pagan festivals amalgamated, and, by complicated but skillful adjustment of the calendar, it was found no difficult matter, in general, to get Paganism and Christianity - to shake hands." (Alexander Hislop, "The Two Babylons," p. 105).


Continuing his quotation from Hislop, Blanton shows:

The term Easter is of pagan origin -


"It bears its Chaldean origin on its very forehead. Easter is nothing else than Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven" (p. 103).

The connection between the word Easter and Tammuz is thus -

The wife of Tammuz was Ishtar (Astarte), who is called Mother Nature, who being refreshed by spring rains brings life. When Tammuz died she followed him into the underworld or realm of Eresh-Kigal, queen of the dead. In her deep grief Astarte persuaded Eresh-Kigal to allow her messenger to sprinkle Astarte and Tammuz with the water of life. By this sprinkling they had power to return into the light of the sun for six months. After which the same cycle must be repeated.

Thus, the goddess of spring or the dawn goddess is responsible for the resurrection of Tammuz. Easter is a joint worship of the two. This Satanic myth is interwoven with the sun's cycle of vernal equinox (dawn) and autumn equinox (sunset). (From "The Flaming Torch" Jan. Feb. Mar. 1987).


Dake's Bible adds:

Easter...is derived from Ishtar, one of the Babylonian titles of an idol goddess, the Queen of Heaven. The Saxon goddess Eastre is the same as the Astarte, the Syrian Venus, called Ashtoreth in the O. T. It was the worship of this woman by Israel that was such an abomination to God. (I Sam 7:3http://ebible.com/query?utf=8✓&quer...e=http://www.talkjesus.com/pages.php?pageid=1l I Ki 11:5, 33 II Ki 23:13; Jer 7:18; 44:18) (p. 137 N. T.).
 
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