SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT?

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I just want to share some of what I know about this from personal experience if I may. It is not my intention to offend anyone and if I do I apologize in advance. It is just my own personal testimony to what I have experienced and witnessed firsthand.
When I was growing up I was in foster care for ten years and during that time I went to many different churches according to whatever church my foster parents were members. I had no choice in the matter and no freedom to attend a church that I really wanted to go to.
There was one church in particular that I always dreaded going to. I was very uncomfortable in that church for several reasons. It wasn't the only church in which I felt this way but it stands out the most in my memory. There were many times that people were speaking in tongues and being touched on the forehead and falling backwards with various things happening to them. When that happened, I felt the temperature drop around me. I've learned from other experiences also and not necessarily while being in church but in other situations that this drop in temperature is not a good thing. And it certainly didn't feel like a good thing. Back then I didn't understand this coldness when I expected a warm and comforting feeling instead and to be in control of the mind, heart and body. Phil. 4:7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. I believe we need to take captive every thought, to be alert and sober minded. This can't be done when one is "drunk in the spirit", or as in the case of a preacher who can't stop laughing (holy laughter) long enough to even give a sermon.
I saw people under the control of someone else who touched them on the forehead and I failed to see how their actions while in that state was bringing glory to God in a proper and orderly way. I didn't find it edifying. Quite the opposite in fact.
That's just my thoughts on this based on what I've experienced. I hope I haven't offended anyone and if I did it wasn't intentional.
[SIZE=16pt]I totally agree with you. I personally don’t believe being slayed in the spirit is of God in any way.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]When being where people were doing that act, I would lose all peace. [/SIZE]
 

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I have not (passed out) from that but I have been so overwhelmed that I have dropped to my knees, but I didn't have the urge to speak in tongues... Mostly just praise once I hit my knees..... Pretty standard I guess! LOL
 

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Slain in the Spirit

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People slain in the Spirit after receiving prayer from faith healer and Catholic priest Fernando Suarez


Slain in the Spirit or slaying in the Spirit are terms used by Pentecostal and charismatic Christians to describe a form of prostration in which an individual falls to the floor while experiencing religious ecstasy. Believers attribute this behavior to the power of the Holy Spirit. Other terms used to describe the experience include falling under the power, overcome by the Spirit, and resting in the Spirit



IT'S WONDERFUL! :)
<< IT'S WONDERFUL! :)>>

Yes, it is.

But that's just the beginning.

Pray without ceasing. TALK TO JESUS!

The Church is the Bride of Christ, talk to our spouse!

If you can't think of anything to say then pray in tongues (if you have that gift) or you can use the "Jesus prayer".

"Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me a sinner." You can say that over and over even when you're working or cleaning or before you fall asleep at night or in the shower or on the way to wherever or or or....

And don't let anyone distract you by griping about "vain repetitions." It certainly will not be in vain.

REJOICE!!! :D

"My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!" :wub:
 

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No I've never made a public display of faith for men to see.

Firstly, because my King says not to.
Second, because I'm British.

We simply do not do such things.
 

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Never, but I have seen it...the good and the bad. Sadly it sometimes becomes a farce in Pentecostal churches. If you are really slain in the Spirit, you fall forwards not backwards, and you don't need anyone to catch you.
Interesting opinion, source for the backward vs forward ?
 

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evan said:
Interesting opinion, source for the backward vs forward ?
There is John 18 and Acts 9 although they don't use the word backward or forward, but IMO the context conveys that.

In the OT there is Jer 46:15 and Dan 10:9

I think overall this is what the Bible demonstrates.
 

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I believe this falling out on the floor stuff began with John Wesley...

The old Methodist Holy Club was an organization at Christ Church, Oxford, set up by brothers John and Charles Wesley in 1729, who later contributed to the formation of the Methodist Church. As Wesley would travel abroad he was greatly influenced by the Moravians who would help build his faith.

Jeering college students scoffed at these "Methodists" who tried to systematically serve God every hour of the day. They set aside time for praying, examining their spiritual lives, studying the Bible, and meeting together. In addition, they took food to poor families, visited lonely people in prison, and taught orphans how to read. Members of the organization celebrated Holy Communion frequently and fasted on Wednesdays and Fridays until 3 P.M. Fellows of the Holy Club also studied and discussed the Novum Testamentum Graece as well as the Classics. Critics of the Holy Club said:

“By rule they eat, by rule they drink, by rule do all things but think.
Accuse the priests of loose behavior, to get more in the laymen's favor.
Method alone must guide 'em all, when themselves ‘Methodists’ they call.” – Critics of the Holy Club

It was after a difficult and discouraging mission trip to America that John Wesley questioned his faith. In 1738, at the age of 34, John Wesley attended an evening worship service in London which moved him deeply.

“In the evening I went very unwillingly to a society in Aldersgate Street, where one was reading Luther's preface to the Epistle to the Romans. About a quarter before nine, while the leader was describing the change which God works in the heart through faith in Christ, I felt my heart strangely warmed. I felt I did trust in Christ alone for salvation; and an assurance was given me that He had taken away my sins, even mine, and saved me from the law of sin and death.” – John Wesley

For the next year Wesley would continue to seek the Lord until spiritual experiences would happen as stated in Wesley’s journal from Jan. 1, 1739: “About sixty of our brethren until three in the morning, the power of God came mightily on us, insomuch that many cried out for exceeding joy, and many fell to the ground.” John Wesley prayed, “Lord send us revival without its defects but if this is not possible, send revival, defects and all.”

Whitefield wrote of many falling to the ground, trembling exceedingly with strong convulsions. People fell down, cried out, trembled with convulsive twitchings. Sinners dropped down, shrieking, groaning, crying for mercy, convulsed, agonizing, fainting, falling down in distress or in raptures of joy. The noise was like a roar of Niagara. The vast sea of human beings as agitated by a storm. Seized with convulsive jerking all over.
 

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I've never been.

I watched Benny Hinn one late night after I had a tonsillectomy and was jacked up on pain meds, so that has pretty much ruined it for me. Thought it was funny at the time.

In all seriousness I think such a move can certainly happen (and certainly does), but I think a lot of it is just emotional when you get some of these folks up on stage.

I'm American though, so lack of decorum is permitted. I also heard that, according to my son's Planes movie, the British don't cry either. I verified that on the internets.
 

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rockytopva said:
I believe this falling out on the floor stuff began with John Wesley...

The old Methodist Holy Club was an organization at Christ Church, Oxford, set up by brothers John and Charles Wesley in 1729, who later contributed to the formation of the Methodist Church. As Wesley would travel abroad he was greatly influenced by the Moravians who would help build his faith.

Jeering college students scoffed at these "Methodists" who tried to systematically serve God every hour of the day. They set aside time for praying, examining their spiritual lives, studying the Bible, and meeting together. In addition, they took food to poor families, visited lonely people in prison, and taught orphans how to read. Members of the organization celebrated Holy Communion frequently and fasted on Wednesdays and Fridays until 3 P.M. Fellows of the Holy Club also studied and discussed the Novum Testamentum Graece as well as the Classics. Critics of the Holy Club said:

“By rule they eat, by rule they drink, by rule do all things but think.
Accuse the priests of loose behavior, to get more in the laymen's favor.
Method alone must guide 'em all, when themselves ‘Methodists’ they call.” – Critics of the Holy Club

It was after a difficult and discouraging mission trip to America that John Wesley questioned his faith. In 1738, at the age of 34, John Wesley attended an evening worship service in London which moved him deeply.

“In the evening I went very unwillingly to a society in Aldersgate Street, where one was reading Luther's preface to the Epistle to the Romans. About a quarter before nine, while the leader was describing the change which God works in the heart through faith in Christ, I felt my heart strangely warmed. I felt I did trust in Christ alone for salvation; and an assurance was given me that He had taken away my sins, even mine, and saved me from the law of sin and death.” – John Wesley

For the next year Wesley would continue to seek the Lord until spiritual experiences would happen as stated in Wesley’s journal from Jan. 1, 1739: “About sixty of our brethren until three in the morning, the power of God came mightily on us, insomuch that many cried out for exceeding joy, and many fell to the ground.” John Wesley prayed, “Lord send us revival without its defects but if this is not possible, send revival, defects and all.”

Whitefield wrote of many falling to the ground, trembling exceedingly with strong convulsions. People fell down, cried out, trembled with convulsive twitchings. Sinners dropped down, shrieking, groaning, crying for mercy, convulsed, agonizing, fainting, falling down in distress or in raptures of joy. The noise was like a roar of Niagara. The vast sea of human beings as agitated by a storm. Seized with convulsive jerking all over.
That was an interesting read. Thanks for sharing Rocky.
 

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I have nothing against this.

People coming to the front of the church to dedicate / re-dedicate their lives to the Lord and accepting the falling back motion as a sign of the presence of God come on them. It is all honorable. Nothing devious!
 

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I am content with my head lying cozy and warm on Jesus' breast, hearing his heart beat, being still, so I can hear the Lord breathe. This more describes me;

(Psa 4:4) Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still.

(Psa 46:10) Be still, and know that I am God...
 

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I've looked more into this phrase "slain in the spirit" and see that it means something quite appalling and foreign to Scriptures, not to mention that yukky feeling it gives the Holy Spirit. I would counsel folk to run away from such style of "religion" it is not of Jesus Christ, it is carnal hype, so obviously disturbing to the Spirit...
 

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"Slain in the spirit" is not of the Lord. They are drinking from a different fountain.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

Believers that "fall" for it are actually falling away from the faith when they do, because they are testifying to the spirit showing up when they fall thus assuming that was the Holy Spirit when it was not, because the Holy Spirit was already in them and so that was not the Holy Spirit making them fall, especially when God is not the author of confusion.

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Since one of the fruits of the Spirit is temperance which is "self-control", how then can that manifestation be of Him when believers lose control and fall against their will; and it isn't to bow to God in acknowledging His Presence either when they are "out of it".

Paul testified that there is only one drink of the One Spirit that all believcers share like testimony in.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

So when someone preaches another spirit to receive or another drink... that is not of Him.

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13: Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

This is the prophetic hypocrisey talked about where believers will acknowledge that He is in us, but they still seek to receive Him again, opening themselves up to other spirits & following after the doctrines of devils in being an adulterous generation seeking after a sign.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Matthew 12:39But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

This was the falling away from the faith that Paul warned believers about as that iniquity was already at work in his day.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.....9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Those that believe the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit "again", God will permit the strong delusion to occur, as the Holy Spirit, still being in them, BUT He will not restrain seducing spirits from coming in when believers are seeking after them for a sign.

Paul reminded believers in the face of this apostasy when they had actually received the sancitification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth and that was by the hearing of the gospel.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Those that have fallen away are not to be treated as the enemy, but to be admonished as a brother by withdrawing from their company so that they may be ashamed as Paul explains further into the next chapter in addressing this apostasy where disorder is manifested.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;.....14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

It is hoped that those that have fallen away, God may be peradventuring to recover them from this snare of the devil by returning to their first love, shun vain & profane babblings, and seek their edification from the written word in the KJV and pray normally so that they may know what they had prayed for to give the Father genuine thanks in Jesus's anme for answered prayers. And may they lean on Jesus Christ to certainly chase no more after the "Holy Spirit" to be received after a sign as people in the world do when receiving other spirits.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.....

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.....26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

The real indwelling Holy Spirit & scripture keeps pointing saved believers to keep their eyes on the Son of God, the Bridegroom, in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ as the Son is the only way we can have that fellowship with God the Father as it should be, since the abiding bride of Christ is to be relating to God thru the Bridegroom for He shall be coming soon.

1 Corinthians 1: 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
 

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"Slain in the spirit" is not of the Lord. They are drinking from a different fountain"

HAHAHA That's funny :p

In all of my "interactions" with the HS I have never had the sudden urge to pass out and hit the floor. I have dropped to my knees but only out of reverence and praise. I may have said this before but I think this is one of those instances where people feel what they want to feel, not what the HS spirit did. Same with big praise and worship concerts and such... A false euphoric feeling is caused or felt but it doesn't last to the next morning... Its the mob mentality. 1 guy would never loot a store by himself.. but get a crowd... oh yeah, game on. ;)
 

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Born_Again said:
"Slain in the spirit" is not of the Lord. They are drinking from a different fountain"

HAHAHA That's funny :p

In all of my "interactions" with the HS I have never had the sudden urge to pass out and hit the floor. I have dropped to my knees but only out of reverence and praise. I may have said this before but I think this is one of those instances where people feel what they want to feel, not what the HS spirit did. Same with big praise and worship concerts and such... A false euphoric feeling is caused or felt but it doesn't last to the next morning... Its the mob mentality. 1 guy would never loot a store by himself.. but get a crowd... oh yeah, game on. ;)
So you are saying that this "slain in the spirit" phenomenon is NOT of the Lord, right?

By His grace & by His help, I'll say this much; any focus on the Holy Spirit in worship when the indwelling Holy Spirit is leading believers to keep coming to the Son of God, the Bridegroom, in maintaining that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ ( John 14:6 ) in order to avoid the spirits of the antichrists ( John 10:1-9 ) is bound to open the door for seducing spirits to stop sharing in the spotlight with the Father & the Son in worship to stealing the spotlight entirely for themselves in getting believers to worship them as the Holy Spirit or the "Spirit of God" in chasing after them to receive after a sign; even if it is the sensational sign of feeling "their presence" in the worship place, thinking they are the "Holy Spirit" visiting them.
 

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So you are saying that this "slain in the spirit" phenomenon is NOT of the Lord, right?

By His grace & by His help, I'll say this much; any focus on the Holy Spirit in worship when the indwelling Holy Spirit is leading believers to keep coming to the Son of God, the Bridegroom, in maintaining that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ ( John 14:6 ) in order to avoid the spirits of the antichrists ( John 10:1-9 ) is bound to open the door for seducing spirits to stop sharing in the spotlight with the Father & the Son in worship to stealing the spotlight entirely for themselves in getting believers to worship them as the Holy Spirit or the "Spirit of God" in chasing after them to receive after a sign; even if it is the sensational sign of feeling "their presence" in the worship place, thinking they are the "Holy Spirit" visiting them.
Correct. That is what I am saying.
 

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Slain in the Spirit

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People slain in the Spirit after receiving prayer from faith healer and Catholic priest Fernando Suarez


Slain in the Spirit or slaying in the Spirit are terms used by Pentecostal and charismatic Christians to describe a form of prostration in which an individual falls to the floor while experiencing religious ecstasy. Believers attribute this behavior to the power of the Holy Spirit. Other terms used to describe the experience include falling under the power, overcome by the Spirit, and resting in the Spirit



IT'S WONDERFUL! :)
The activity is not representative of the action of the Holy Spirit. It is an action of spirits the purpose of which is to detract from worship of God in church.

Consider that the bodies of people are possessed and made unconscious or semi-conscious by spiritual entities that do not overtly identify themselves. I know because I once attended a church where this sort of activity was encouraged and welcomed. I was a 'catcher', a person who would help ease a victim to the floor so that they didn't hurt themselves by a sudden impact with the floor or nearby furniture. Others called 'nurses' sometimes stood by to assist the fallen. They often falsely represented themselves as medical personnel by wearing white coats or garments that gave the impression of knowledge or experience in a complex field in which they knew little or nothing.

The focus of the 'worship service' is diverted from attention paid to God and His message (delivered by written word and spoken sermon). It becomes the exciting actions of a few individuals who seek attention much like those who are habitually sick or who pretend to lead complicated and confused lives.

The ministry of the Holy Spirit is ALWAYS to glorify God - not to intercede in a circus side-show act.

Those who believe this sort of thing to be an act of God are doing themselves a disservice. I know. I've been there. To the uninitiated its a spectacle - but that's all it is. It is cheap entertainment that robs God of the worship and attention He deserves.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

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Being slain in the spirit is against the fruit of the true Spirit, the Holy Spirit for it is the opposite of self control.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness and self-control," (Galatians 5:22-23).
 
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