The Lamb slain from foundation of world

[Ghada]

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Unless I am mistaken, some say that the Lamb of God was actually slain before the foundation of the world. The actual deed was done as 'spiritually' or even physically. This is false. Nothing happens before it's time, and then happens again at the time.

However, something can be so sure to come to pass, that it can be prophesied by God Himself before it comes to pass. With certain people in the world, God specifically did so during the world, before the people did what was prophesied.

But there is only one man prophesied before the foundation of the world, and was God the word made flesh, who could not lie nor fail to bring it to pass.

For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

No other man on earth has this sure trust from God, before the world ever began.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The Word was not made flesh nor Jesus Christ come in the flesh, before the foundation of the world. Nor was Jesus slain on a cross any time before He did die on a cross at the hands of Jews and Romans.

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

The Lamb being slain before the foundation of the world is a testament to God's Son in Scripture, that it is impossible for God to lie, and He would surely bring it to pass Himself. Unlike created man, the Word was God, and once God and the Spirit preordained and prophesied Him to become a man and lamb without sinning and spot unto death, He would certainly do so.

And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

The power of His own will and life and Godhead to do so, was such an absolute certainty not to fail, that God could say He was as good as slain, once the word of His prophecy proceeded from His mouth.

Before the world, God is not certain and sure of any created man, being with free will in His own image. Just as it was when God created the angels that sinned.

There is therefore no prophecy before the foundation of the world, pertaining to any other person than Jesus Christ. The only prophesy of God about created man, is that Christ creates us all good. But God never prophesied in the beginning of the world, that the man would do His will or not.

With Jesus Christ, the word spoken about Him was sure promise, that it would come to pass.

The only foreordainment for any other man coming into the world, is that if any of us would repent and be saved, then God would do as promised, and conform us to the image of His dear Son, the Lamb of God.

 

[Ghada]

Calvin predestinators appear to say that Jesus was indeed slain before the world began, as though 'spiritually' or some such. But the prophecy was of physical slaying. And it was only given as Scripture to man after Jesus was slain by the Jews and the Romans.

Jesus knew beforehand of His foreordained death, and so crucified His own will to the Father before the cross. But He was not crucified before the world began, nor anytime before being put to death on a cross.

Such predestinators apparently teach an actual slaying of the Lamb in the beginning, in order to justify believing they too were prechosen and foreordained to be saved. And indeed were saved before the world in Christ, so as to be as sure of being saved as the Word Himself being slain for them.

This is just silly pride in believing they too were gods as God Himself in the beginning, that could be perfectly be counted on like God the Word, to repent and believe unto salvation, and overcome sin like Jesus unto the end.

The Lamb of God was not slain spiritually nor physically before the world began, but only prophetically. And there certainly were no little Lambs prechosen and slain with Him.

The real error of pride of Calvin being personally predestined by God to be saved and resurrected unto life, is not just claiming to be saved already int he beginning, but also to be guaranteed doing the will of God unto the end, whether we will to do it or not.

It's the false security in the form of humility, to say we have no say about it, that we will do God's word daily unto the end. (Especially since such believers declare they do not always do His will)

There is only one man come into the world, that God has foreordained and chosen to do His will for life unto the end: Jesus Christ, the Word and Lamb come in the flesh.

All men are preordained to be conformed to His image, if we repent and trust in Him from the heart. But no man is preordained before the world to repent and be saved, nor even to be saved unto the end. He promises to be with them that do repent, and not forsake them that do His will, but He has not promised before the world for any man to do so.

No other man could so be perfectly trusted and counted upon by God to surely fulfill His will, so as to prophecy it before the world ever began.

 

[Ghada]

What of prophesies of Scripture pertaining to certain people on earth? Did not God prophecy certain men from the womb? He did. However, He did not do so before the world began, but only by Scripture given during the world.

The argument is about the Lamb slain by prophecy before the world, not about certain prophesied in the world.

The Spirit's prophecies of certain people before birth was only after the world began, and it was because God's omniscience is the Word already seeing all things come to pass.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

The omniscience of God to know what would come to pass, is only by watching it come to pass in the world, from on top of the world.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;

By having watched it come to pass, He could therefore perfectly foretell all such things, and in His time make it known by prophecy of Scripture given to prophets in the world.

The difference between the prophecy of the Lamb before the world began, and the prophecy of other men during the world, is that God did not need to watch His Lamb live without sin and die on a cross, in order to know it of certain, so as to prophecy it in the beginning.

Ex: For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

God spoke this prophecy to Abraham on earth and not before, that they would conceive and bare a son, because God already watched it. And He came at such a time to tell it to Abraham, that Abraham would believe Him with the heart and lay with Sara even in old age to bring it to pass.

He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

The prophecy of God's Son and Lamb is for all men, but all men do not believe, even when manifest to themselves on earth.

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

This is why no other man than Jesus is ever prophesied before the world began. All men are foreordained to be conformed to Jesus image on earth, if we repent and believe from the heart unto His righteousness. But no man is prechosen and 'guaranteed' to do so as the Lamb before the world.

It is the will of God for any and all men to repent and be saved and justified with Him in this life, not willing that any man should perish by unbelief, but the only man God could possibly will by Himself to live righteously unto the end is His own Son, even as Himself.

For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

God could count on Himself to do His own will as a man, but as we see with Adam, God in the beginning could not make such a sure prophecy about man created by Him with his own free will.

He has and does watch us all from on high, so that He can prophesy each of us, but only after coming into the world and seeing what we do unto the end.

The only way to know our salvation unto the end by falling not, is by adding and doing those things of virtue and godliness and charity, that ensure it. (2 Peter 1)

And yet, even for God to prophesy it, it still remains to be seen by Him unto the end to do so.

And so, in the end God does know by His Word in the beginning, who is who and does what in this life by watching us do it. But, it has not come to pass in the beginning already, nor has He ever prophesied it in the beginning, even as He did His own Lamb and self.

 

[12question]

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Unless I am mistaken, some say that the Lamb of God was actually slain before the foundation of the world. The actual deed was done as 'spiritually' or even physically. This is false. Nothing happens before it's time, and then happens again at the time.

However, something can be so sure to come to pass, that it can be prophesied by God Himself before it comes to pass. With certain people in the world, God specifically did so during the world, before the people did what was prophesied.

But there is only one man prophesied before the foundation of the world, and was God the word made flesh, who could not lie nor fail to bring it to pass.

For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

No other man on earth has this sure trust from God, before the world ever began.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The Word was not made flesh nor Jesus Christ come in the flesh, before the foundation of the world. Nor was Jesus slain on a cross any time before He did die on a cross at the hands of Jews and Romans.

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

The Lamb being slain before the foundation of the world is a testament to God's Son in Scripture, that it is impossible for God to lie, and He would surely bring it to pass Himself. Unlike created man, the Word was God, and once God and the Spirit preordained and prophesied Him to become a man and lamb without sinning and spot unto death, He would certainly do so.

And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

The power of His own will and life and Godhead to do so, was such an absolute certainty not to fail, that God could say He was as good as slain, once the word of His prophecy proceeded from His mouth.

Before the world, God is not certain and sure of any created man, being with free will in His own image. Just as it was when God created the angels that sinned.

There is therefore no prophecy before the foundation of the world, pertaining to any other person than Jesus Christ. The only prophesy of God about created man, is that Christ creates us all good. But God never prophesied in the beginning of the world, that the man would do His will or not.

With Jesus Christ, the word spoken about Him was sure promise, that it would come to pass.

The only foreordainment for any other man coming into the world, is that if any of us would repent and be saved, then God would do as promised, and conform us to the image of His dear Son, the Lamb of God.

You said, 'Before the world, God is not certain and sure of any created man, being with free will in His own image. Just as it was when God created the angels that sinned.' When did God tell you these amazing things?
1. Before the world, God is not certain and sure of any created man.
2. created man, being with free will in His own image.
3. Just as it was when God created the angels
4. the angels that sinned.
I'm keen to hear what else the Creator said to you surrounding these revelations. I have been asking Father the Creator throughout the day for insights into how He created the previous creation including angels. How they lived out their existence. He's already given me insight into their current role and how that came about. Also their eternal state.
Please feel free to share the revelations God has given you that have shaped these strong beliefs you have.
Thanks

 

[12question]

Just a quick question, did the Creator have an idea about what He was going to create before He actually began creating this physical creation?

What of prophesies of Scripture pertaining to certain people on earth? Did not God prophecy certain men from the womb? He did. However, He did not do so before the world began, but only by Scripture given during the world.

The argument is about the Lamb slain by prophecy before the world, not about certain prophesied in the world.

The Spirit's prophecies of certain people before birth was only after the world began, and it was because God's omniscience is the Word already seeing all things come to pass.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

The omniscience of God to know what would come to pass, is only by watching it come to pass in the world, from on top of the world.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;

By having watched it come to pass, He could therefore perfectly foretell all such things, and in His time make it known by prophecy of Scripture given to prophets in the world.

The difference between the prophecy of the Lamb before the world began, and the prophecy of other men during the world, is that God did not need to watch His Lamb live without sin and die on a cross, in order to know it of certain, so as to prophecy it in the beginning.

Ex: For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

God spoke this prophecy to Abraham on earth and not before, that they would conceive and bare a son, because God already watched it. And He came at such a time to tell it to Abraham, that Abraham would believe Him with the heart and lay with Sara even in old age to bring it to pass.

He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

The prophecy of God's Son and Lamb is for all men, but all men do not believe, even when manifest to themselves on earth.

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

This is why no other man than Jesus is ever prophesied before the world began. All men are foreordained to be conformed to Jesus image on earth, if we repent and believe from the heart unto His righteousness. But no man is prechosen and 'guaranteed' to do so as the Lamb before the world.

It is the will of God for any and all men to repent and be saved and justified with Him in this life, not willing that any man should perish by unbelief, but the only man God could possibly will by Himself to live righteously unto the end is His own Son, even as Himself.

For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

God could count on Himself to do His own will as a man, but as we see with Adam, God in the beginning could not make such a sure prophecy about man created by Him with his own free will.

He has and does watch us all from on high, so that He can prophesy each of us, but only after coming into the world and seeing what we do unto the end.

The only way to know our salvation unto the end by falling not, is by adding and doing those things of virtue and godliness and charity, that ensure it. (2 Peter 1)

And yet, even for God to prophesy it, it still remains to be seen by Him unto the end to do so.

And so, in the end God does know by His Word in the beginning, who is who and does what in this life by watching us do it. But, it has not come to pass in the beginning already, nor has He ever prophesied it in the beginning, even as He did His own Lamb and self.

What of prophesies of Scripture pertaining to certain people on earth? Did not God prophecy certain men from the womb? He did. However, He did not do so before the world began, but only by Scripture given during the world.

The argument is about the Lamb slain by prophecy before the world, not about certain prophesied in the world.

The Spirit's prophecies of certain people before birth was only after the world began, and it was because God's omniscience is the Word already seeing all things come to pass.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

The omniscience of God to know what would come to pass, is only by watching it come to pass in the world, from on top of the world.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;

By having watched it come to pass, He could therefore perfectly foretell all such things, and in His time make it known by prophecy of Scripture given to prophets in the world.

The difference between the prophecy of the Lamb before the world began, and the prophecy of other men during the world, is that God did not need to watch His Lamb live without sin and die on a cross, in order to know it of certain, so as to prophecy it in the beginning.

Ex: For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

God spoke this prophecy to Abraham on earth and not before, that they would conceive and bare a son, because God already watched it. And He came at such a time to tell it to Abraham, that Abraham would believe Him with the heart and lay with Sara even in old age to bring it to pass.

He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

The prophecy of God's Son and Lamb is for all men, but all men do not believe, even when manifest to themselves on earth.

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

This is why no other man than Jesus is ever prophesied before the world began. All men are foreordained to be conformed to Jesus image on earth, if we repent and believe from the heart unto His righteousness. But no man is prechosen and 'guaranteed' to do so as the Lamb before the world.

It is the will of God for any and all men to repent and be saved and justified with Him in this life, not willing that any man should perish by unbelief, but the only man God could possibly will by Himself to live righteously unto the end is His own Son, even as Himself.

For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

God could count on Himself to do His own will as a man, but as we see with Adam, God in the beginning could not make such a sure prophecy about man created by Him with his own free will.

He has and does watch us all from on high, so that He can prophesy each of us, but only after coming into the world and seeing what we do unto the end.

The only way to know our salvation unto the end by falling not, is by adding and doing those things of virtue and godliness and charity, that ensure it. (2 Peter 1)

And yet, even for God to prophesy it, it still remains to be seen by Him unto the end to do so.

And so, in the end God does know by His Word in the beginning, who is who and does what in this life by watching us do it. But, it has not come to pass in the beginning already, nor has He ever prophesied it in the beginning, even as He did His own Lamb and self.

Just a quick question, did the Creator have an idea about what He was going to create before He actually began creating this physical creation?

 

[Ghada]

1. Before the world, God is not certain and sure of any created man.

That's why only one man was ever chosen and prophesied by God to do all His will, before the world began.

All others were prophesied during the world, after God watches all men do good or evil in the end.

God is omniscient about all men and all things coming to pass, because He watches all things come to pass, and so knows it with God from the beginning.

2. created man, being with free will in His own image.

Bible.

3. Just as it was when God created the angels

God never prophesied about any angel to do His will. Angels sinned before man.

4. the angels that sinned.

Bible

I'm keen to hear what else the Creator said to you surrounding these revelations.

I've given the verses and reasoning from it. You don't have to show any error in it, not to like it. You can just not like it. which is fine with me.

Now, if you can show any flaw in the reasoning of the verses I give, then I'd be glad to see it.

I have been asking Father the Creator throughout the day for insights into how He created the previous creation including angels.

No previous world created, but only angels for His heavenly kingdom before God created the heaven and earth.

How they lived out their existence.

As spirits worshipping God, until one of them sinned, followed by a third of them.

He's already given me insight into their current role and how that came about. Also their eternal state.

If the Bible agrees, I'd like to hear it. If the Bible doesn't agree, I'd still be interested in hearing it.

Sometimes, the Bible is also better known by correcting errors, in addition to meditation and inspiration of the Spirit.

Please feel free to share the revelations God has given you that have shaped these strong beliefs you have.
Thanks

Already have. Not so much 'revelations', but rather simple insight into the truth of Bible words.

It begins with taking God strictly at His words.

 

[Ghada]

Just a quick question, did the Creator have an idea about what He was going to create before He actually began creating this physical creation?

But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

 

[quietthinker]

One of the great blunders men make in their enthusiasm is to tell before they have heard. They read something, formulate an idea and before one knows it they are off prattling about what they have imagined, assuming they have some special insight.

How do I know this? because I've done it myself. Oh the foolishness which masquerades as wisdom!

Two ears and one mouth is not accidental or coincidental. Taking note qualifies as a priority.

 

[12question]

But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Thanks. That's OK if you don't know the answer to my question. No shame in acknowledging that. Let me know if Father sheds any light on this for you.

 

[Ghada]

One of the great blunders men make in their enthusiasm is to tell before they have heard. They read something, formulate an idea and before one knows it they are off prattling about what they have imagined, assuming they have some special insight.

How do I know this? because I've done it myself. Oh the foolishness which masquerades as wisdom!

Two ears and one mouth is not accidental or coincidental. Taking note qualifies as a priority.

Good point. I believe it takes as much honesty not to read into things others say about the Bible, as much as not reading things into the Bible itself.

I've found that if we do one, we will also do the other.

 

[TheRootOfDavid]

Good point. I believe it takes as much honesty not to read into things others say about the Bible, as much as not reading things into the Bible itself.

I've found that if we do one, we will also do the other.

Why do you rely upon the bible as your source of truth?

 

[Ghada]

Why do you rely upon the bible as your source of truth?

Because the God of the Bible is the only true God.

And the Bible is His only true book.

 

[marks]

Revelation 13:7-9 KJV
7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9) If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Something to note, there are two ways you can read this passage, both equally valid translations. The clause, "from the foundation of the world" can be associated with "remains written" or "the Lamb slain". So it's equally valid to understand this as saying that "the names remain written in the book from the foundation of the world", or to say, "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world". Greek rules for word order are very different from ours, and use spelling where we use position. So words that seem out of position to us are clarified to the Greek reader by the differences in spelling. I can explain this more if anyone wants that.

The take-away here is that this passage therefore has an ambiguous part, we can read it either way, so we need another unambiguous passage, something that can only be read one way, to know which way we should understand this passage. Which brings us to,

Revelation 17:8 KJV
8) The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

In this case, it's the same construction, "whose names do not remain written (Perfect tense again) in the book of life from the foundation of the world. We can know then that names are written in the book of life at the foundation of the world, and some do not remain. And that this is not telling us Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world. That is a misinterpretation.

Much love!

 

[Ghada]

Revelation 13:7-9 KJV
7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9) If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Something to note, there are two ways you can read this passage, both equally valid translations. The clause, "from the foundation of the world" can be associated with "remains written" or "the Lamb slain". So it's equally valid to understand this as saying that "the names remain written in the book from the foundation of the world", or to say, "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world". Greek rules for word order are very different from ours, and use spelling where we use position. So words that seem out of position to us are clarified to the Greek reader by the differences in spelling. I can explain this more if anyone wants that.

The take-away here is that this passage therefore has an ambiguous part, we can read it either way, so we need another unambiguous passage, something that can only be read one way, to know which way we should understand this passage. Which brings us to,

Revelation 17:8 KJV
8) The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

In this verse, the foundation of the world applies to the Lamb slain, not to names and the book of life.

whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,

Here you make a good point for a 'proof' text, with names and book of life being written from the foundation of the world.

In this case, it's the same construction, "whose names do not remain written (Perfect tense again) in the book of life from the foundation of the world.

This agrees with the Lord blotting out names, that were once written in His book of life. (Ex 32)(Rev 3)

We can know then that names are written in the book of life at the foundation of the world, and some do not remain.

Using 'at' here is not wrong, unless it is intended at the very moment. The word used always has a meaning of separation in time or distance. It can be used in relation to origin and source, such as coming from somewhere, or from such a time. The only case it is used in the gospels is when the kingdom of heaven is at hand. It's here, but not yet recieved.

What it shows is that names began being written away from or since the foundation of the word, but not at that very instance. Afterall, man wasn't created at the foundation of the world, but 6 days later.

The first name of any man written in the book of life was Adam, who was born a son of God. (Luke 3)

Since every man and woman is created in the image of God as Adam, and we are all children of God by virtue of it (Acts 17), as well as every man and woman is lighted by Christ coming into the world, then all are first written in the Lamb's book of life, conceived and born into the world.

All men, save one, have been blotted out by sinning. But some are written in again by repenting and being newly born of God.

And that this is not telling us Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world. That is a misinterpretation.

He was slain away from the foundation, since even as all men, He came in the flesh after the world was founded by Him.

No man is come into the world, nor was the Lamb slain, at the founding of the world.

 

[marks]

He was slain away from the foundation, since even as all men, He came in the flesh after the world was founded by Him.

No man is come into the world, nor was the Lamb slain, at the founding of the world.

Take it or leave it, I'm showing you interpretation of Scripture. What you do with it is up to you. Many will stay married to their errors even when shown what's true, so there is no surprise here.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The Lamb being slain before the foundation of the world is a testament to God's Son in Scripture, that it is impossible for God to lie, and He would surely bring it to pass Himself. Unlike created man, the Word was God, and once God and the Spirit preordained and prophesied Him to become a man and lamb without sinning and spot unto death, He would certainly do so.

By your own words you ascribe untruth to God, claiming, He said it happened then, but it didn't, but He said it did, because it would surely happen another time.

So I'm not surprised when we have different conclusions from Scripture. I personally do not negate nor deny the Word of God through such linguistic devices.

Ecclesiastes 7:29 KJV
Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Much love!

 

[Ghada]

In his days did Hiel the Bethelite build Jericho: he laid the foundation thereof in Abiram his firstborn,

God did not slay His firstborn and only begotten Son in the foundation of the world, as the pagan heathen.

I do love how God's Bible always clarifies every dispute about His word of truth.

 

[Ghada]

Many will stay married to their errors even when shown what's true, so there is no surprise here.

Much love!

True. It's called unwillingness to be challenged, much less corrected in any detail.

Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.

By your own words you ascribe untruth to God, claiming, He said it happened then, but it didn't, but He said it did, because it would surely happen another time.

So I'm not surprised when we have different conclusions from Scripture. I personally do not negate nor deny the Word of God through such linguistic devices.

Ecclesiastes 7:29 KJV
Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Much love!

Sweeping statements without particular points, proves a character that despises correction.

And there was given unto him a mouth...

This is a debate thread, where we agree to challenges by posting. If all you want is to air your own stuff without any challenge, then you are free to go to the bible study site and talk without interruption all you want.

Seeing your deep seated personal issues, I'll not be responding to you personally anymore.

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

If I see something you post, that I want to comment on, I'll do it independently.

 

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Sweeping statements without particular points, proves a character that despises correction.

The particular statement is that when you claim that God declared Jesus slain from the foundation of the world, and then you say that Jesus died at a particular moment in history and not at that time, you make out God to be a liar, and I refute that. Let God be true and every man a liar.

You misinterpret a passage in the Revelation, and using that misinterpretation, you ascribe falsehood to God.

And you have proven an unwillingness to be corrected.

Much love!

 

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The particular statement is that when you claim that God declared Jesus slain from the foundation of the world, and then you say that Jesus died at a particular moment in history and not at that time,

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Jesus did die at a particular moment in history. Just like all men that die.

Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.

Jesus Christ came in the flesh of all men, and died physically like all men. (Except Enoch, and possibly Elijah)

and not at that time,

In his days did Hiel the Bethelite build Jericho: he laid the foundation thereof in Abiram his firstborn,

God did not slay His firstborn and only begotten Son in the foundation of the world, as the pagan heathen.

I do love how God's Bible always clarifies every dispute about His word of truth.