Who's the Lord being referred to as David's Lord in Psalm 110?

Wormwood · Jun 20, 2015

LOL .... ..... Oh well, I guess you just have to hold on to your understanding of the same.

The others can read and study it for themselves.

GOD BLESS....

Yes, I think we should all study for ourselves. I just think you should be mindful of the fact that I have never heard of one Bible scholar or church position in 2,000 years of history ever express anything remotely close to what you are arguing. I think that if these passages are as plain as you claim regarding your view, then its very curious that no one has ever thought of such an idea in 2,000 years. I'm not saying this proves you are wrong, but it is to say that clearly your view is not as evident of a teaching in the Bible as you make it sound. It seems to me that you have taken some very straight-forward passages and have turned them into some very complicated formulas that create all kinds of new and unwritten categories for Father, YHWH, Word, Son, Spirit, etc. Whereas, my views have been considered orthodox by millions of godly men and women throughout the history of the Church.

4Pillars · Jun 20, 2015

That's how God has chosen to reveal His Truth. Look at all the denominations. If you look at Christianity as a big Pie, and see all the denominations as slices in the pie,
you will find that God's Truth is in the whole pie, and that each slice teaches only part of God's Truth.

I love to see other Christian's views, for that is the way we learn. The Holy Spirit reveals one thing to me and something else to another. Listen to the Old Songs,
and read the words, and you will see the Holy Spirit in action.

When we all get together, in Heaven, we will come to know All of the Truth. Jesus told us "I am the Truth". I can hardly wait to know God's Truth, face to face. How bout you?

4Pillars · Jun 20, 2015

[SIZE=12pt]The first chapter of the Bible tells the complete History of how God created the Perfect Heaven. God wrote our History, before the [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]events are complete. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]At the end of the present 6th Day, God's Perfect Heaven will be Finished or brought to Perfection. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Then, He will Rest, that is, [/SIZE]He will Cease to Create, and the 6th Day will end.

[SIZE=12pt]Isa 46[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]v9 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Remember the former things of old: for I [/SIZE]am[SIZE=12pt] God, and [/SIZE]there is[SIZE=12pt] none [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]else; [/SIZE]I am[SIZE=12pt] God, and [/SIZE]there is[SIZE=12pt] none like me, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]v10 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Declaring [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [/SIZE]the things[SIZE=12pt] that are not [/SIZE]yet[SIZE=12pt] done, saying, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow. Written by the Supreme Intelligence, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]it's just too hard for poor, ignorant, unbelievers to comprehend. The only way they will understand is to become Christians.[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt][/SIZE]

4Pillars · Jun 20, 2015

Most people don't know the difference between God's time and man's time. God has but 7 Days and Today is the still the 6th Day of Genesis. At the end of this 6th Day, Heaven will be complete, and all believers will be there. When Heaven is brought to Perfection, God will rest for Eternity,
the 7th Day, which has No end.

Man's time began on the 4th Day and depends on the movements of the Sun, Moon, and Stars. Since God is present, but also beyond this Universe,
He is Not subject to the movements of our Stars. Man's time is temporal and will cease when this Universe is burned. God's time is Eternal.

4Pillars · Jun 21, 2015

[SIZE=10pt]The Book of Genesis documents us that [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]God has but 7 Days. He has 6 Creative Days in which He labors to bring His Creation to Perfection. At the end of the 6th Day or Age, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]God gives [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]M[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]an to eat of [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]Every [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]T[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]ree, including the Tree of Life. God also gives ALL animals to eat herbs as meat.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]This Prophecy is Future because mankind has NEVER eaten of Every Tree and there has NEVER been a time when ALL animals were vegetarians. The Prophecy [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]of Genesis 1:29-30 has NOT yet happened, which means that we remain in the 6th Day.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]When [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]YHWH told Adam that he would surely die IN THE DAY he disobeyed. Adam did Not die physically, for he lived to be [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]93[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]0 years old as shown in Gen 5:5.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] Adam did not die Spiritually because [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]God doesn't make mistakes and those who are born Spiritually are born Eternally.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Did Satan tell A&E the Truth, and YHWH lie to them? There is only One way the LORD can be right, and that is for Today to be the 6th Day. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]All mankind has lived and died on the present 6th Day of Genesis. [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]God will Not rest until His Creation is made Perfect.[/SIZE]

4Pillars · Jun 21, 2015

Here is where the Creation is perfected, I believe: Based on my Biblical Opinion.

"in the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth" (Gen 1:1)
"I saw a new heaven and a new earth" (Rev 21:1)
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"The gathering together of waters He called the Sea" (Gen1:10)
"And the Sea is no more" (Rev 21:1)
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"The darkness He called Night" (Gen 1:5)
"there shall be no night there" (Rev 21:25)
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God made the two great lights (sun and moon)" (Gen1:16)
"the city has no need of the Sun nor the Moon" (Rev 21:23)
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"in the day you eat thereof you shall surely die" (Gen 2:17)
"death shall be no more" (Rev 21:14)
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"I will greatly multiply your pain" (Gen 3:16)
"Neither shall there be pain anymore" (Rev 21:4)
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"cursed is the ground for your sake" (Gen 3:17)
"There shall be no more curse" (Rev 22:3)
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Satan appears as the deceiver of mankind (Gen 3:1-4)
Satan disappears forever (Rev 20:10)
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They were driven from the Tree of Life (gen 3:22-24)
The Tree of Life re-appears (Rev 22:2)
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They were driven from God's presence (Gen 3:24)
"they shall see His face" (Rev 22:4)
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Man's primeval home was by a river (Gen 2:10)
Man's Eternal home will be beside a river (Rev 22:1)
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Wormwood · Jun 22, 2015

4Pillars said:
That's how God has chosen to reveal His Truth. Look at all the denominations. If you look at Christianity as a big Pie, and see all the denominations as slices in the pie,
you will find that God's Truth is in the whole pie, and that each slice teaches only part of God's Truth.

I love to see other Christian's views, for that is the way we learn. The Holy Spirit reveals one thing to me and something else to another. Listen to the Old Songs,
and read the words, and you will see the Holy Spirit in action.

When we all get together, in Heaven, we will come to know All of the Truth. Jesus told us "I am the Truth". I can hardly wait to know God's Truth, face to face. How bout you?

I look forward to that day as well. However, I don't think the truth is the whole pie if some pieces contradict other pieces. Many times, someone is right and someone is wrong. Scripture is our guide for discerning that.

4Pillars · Jun 22, 2015

Wormwood said:
I look forward to that day as well. However, I don't think the truth is the whole pie if some pieces contradict other pieces. Many times, someone is right and someone is wrong. Scripture is our guide for discerning that.

It's simple to know if one's interpretation is correct. If it agrees with God's Holy Word, true Science, and History, it's as close to the One Truth as is Humanly possible.
The fault is Not with God's Truth in the Whole Pie, but with man's ability to understand it, for His thoughts are far above man's thoughts.

That's why I seek the agreement of every other discovered Truth, to measure against God's Holy Word. There is Only 1 Truth, and every other discovered Truth
MUST agree with God's Truth or we have Not found the 1 Truth.

Wormwood · Jun 23, 2015

I agree that the Bible is ultimate truth. However, if we say to ourselves, "I am the only one who interprets it correctly and everyone else misses the clear truth" then we think too highly of ourselves and are not exhibiting the type of humility that God desires of us. Especially when our views are contrary to what most Christians throughout history have believed.

4Pillars · Jun 23, 2015

Wormwood said:
I agree that the Bible is ultimate truth. However, if we say to ourselves, "I am the only one who interprets it correctly and everyone else misses the clear truth" then we think too highly of ourselves and are not exhibiting the type of humility that God desires of us. Especially when our views are contrary to what most Christians throughout history have believed.

It matters Not what I interpret or how I get the message across, since, I am not a Minister, Preacher nor a Pretender. What matters is that which is
written in Scripture, and in the Rocks, must agree, or the interpretation is wrong.

I realize that what I post is controversial, but I also realize that it agrees with Scripture. I do not write the things I write to cause others, problems,
but I write to cause others to read and study Scripture, and to see that God's Word is the Truth in every way.

Wormwood · Jun 23, 2015

I realize that what I post is controversial, but I also realize that it agrees with Scripture. I do not write the things I write to cause others, problems,
but I write to cause others to read and study Scripture, and to see that God's Word is the Truth in every way.

So you are saying that 2,000 years of Christians who have loved God and studied the Scriptures were all wrong, and you alone are right? We all think we agree with the Scriptures. That is the point. It seems just about everyone thinks that their interpretation alone is the true Scriptural one. I assure you I have studied the Scripture for a long time, and likely in far greater detail than you realize. I have studied Greek, Hebrew, church history, individual books of the Bible at length, the culture of the Mediterranean world in the first century, etc. To say that I don't agree with you because I don't agree with Scripture is quite unfair and untrue.

4Pillars · Jun 23, 2015

[SIZE=12pt]Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up[/SIZE] the words, and seal the book, even[SIZE=12pt] to the time of the end[/SIZE]: many shall run to and fro,
and knowledge shall be increased.
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God hides nothing from "babes".

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because Thou hast hid these
things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

God has hid the Truth from Godless Evolutionist, Godless Scientists, Pretenders and other Reprobates, who Think they know more than He.
His Word is Truth to those who know Him.

Wormwood · Jun 23, 2015

Well it seems like he has hidden everything from all Christians throughout history on these matters, according to you. I'm not talking about reprobates and the godless. I am talking about some of the greatest Christian teachers and leaders throughout history. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't make them a pretender or a reprobate.

4Pillars · Jun 23, 2015

Wormwood said:
Well it seems like he has hidden everything from all Christians throughout history on these matters, according to you. I'm not talking about reprobates and the godless. I am talking about some of the greatest Christian teachers and leaders throughout history. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't make them a pretender or a reprobate.

Looks like you have things turned around, as usual.

Your false accusation is only based on your own fallacious argument and made up story. I will appreciate it very much if you Stop projecting your weaknesses on me.

Thanks

pom2014 · Jun 23, 2015

OK let's just stop the banter.

4Pillars

Do you claim that Christians that do not agree with your use of scripture as wrong?

Just a plain yes or no.

4Pillars · Jun 23, 2015

Of course not.... Below is what I have posted before # 43

4Pillars said:
That's how God has chosen to reveal His Truth. Look at all the denominations. If you look at Christianity as a big Pie, and see all the denominations as slices in the pie,
you will find that God's Truth is in the whole pie, and that each slice teaches only part of God's Truth.

I love to see other Christian's views, for that is the way we learn. The Holy Spirit reveals one thing to me and something else to another. Listen to the Old Songs,
and read the words, and you will see the Holy Spirit in action.

When we all get together, in Heaven, we will come to know All of the Truth. Jesus told us "I am the Truth". I can hardly wait to know God's Truth, face to face. How bout you?

4Pillars · Jun 28, 2015

[SIZE=12pt]Gen. 1:6-8 documents that the 1st Firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Gen. 2:4-5 documents that the 2nd and 3rd Heaven[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]S[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] were made on the 3rd Day.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]ll Corinthians 12:2 documents that the Apostle Paul was caught up to the 3rd Heaven.[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]IOW, Scripture documents that there are[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] at least[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 3[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Heavens or Worlds were created and made during Genesis. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]In fact, 2[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Peter 3:5-7[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]p[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]eaks [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]of the [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]1st [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]world that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, Perished. (Greek-Destroyed[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]Totally)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]... dissolved /gone forever.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The Heavens and the Earth WHICH ARE NOW .... also destined to be destroyed by fervent heat and shall be dissolved in the end.... However, Jesus says...[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]John 14:1 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]v2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Rev 21:1 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]And I saw a New Heaven and a New Earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.[/SIZE]

It’s Multiverse..... beyond our present world.

[SIZE=12pt]The above analogy is based only on my Biblical Understanding.[/SIZE]

shnarkle · Jan 12, 2017

Hello Wormwood,

Correct....

Both the Father and Son are two distinct separate Divine Entities. The Son (YHWH) came forth from the bosom of the invisible Almighty God Father during the beginning of CREATION of our Physical World.... becoming the only God physically formed for us to see and witness.... before him... there was none... neither there shall be after him.

I give all the credit to the Son of God (YHWH) as far as this PHYSICAL WORLD is concerned. Without the Son, there's not anything Made that was Made.... because, anything that is physical that we see now is MADE by the physical hands of our Lord God (the Son). He MADE this World... from the palm of his hands for our inhabitation thereof.

Therefore, I am giving my proper respect to the Son .... My God and My Lord.

God Bless

I thought I understood what you were saying up until the end of this post; now I'm confused. The Shema states: "Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God; the Lord is one."

Paul's version seems to differ from your last statement though, no? "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."

Jesus said that he came to reveal the Father, and I have no objection to the Son being the one and only manifestation of God. However, and I admit this is splitting hairs: Paul seems to think this is important enough to get into the nitty gritty of just what the Shema actually means. So Paul doesn't seem to be a "strict" monotheist, but his elaboration of the Shema does indicate that he is no less strict on how a Trinitarian monotheism is defined.

Giving credit to the Son is admirable, but there is no manifest God without the Father either so to say that they are separate divine entities is confusing to me. John's analogy of "the Word" is one that makes perfect sense. Just as the invisible thought is manifested through the spoken word, so to is the invisible Father revealed through the living Word. Words come into being through the vibration of the vocal chords by the breath. It is no coincidence that this word is used interchangeably with "wind", and "spirit"; it just fits so perfectly. I don't see three separate entities in the procession from the invisible idea to the manifest word.

Barring examples of those who don't know what they're talking about; the words typed on this screen are essentially no different than the ideas that fathered them.

Wormwood · Jan 21, 2017

shnarkle,

I think I was quoting 4Pillars with that comment (Its been a while since this discussion

). I believe in basic Trinitarian doctrine that God is one God with one nature that consists of three eternally distinct persons: Father, Son/Word and Holy Spirit. I hope that clarifies things.

Who's the Lord being referred to as David's Lord in Psalm 110?

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