What is the correct view on genesis

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The term 'Jews' came to identify all people of Israel. And all are descended from Jacob. Just like at times one of Joseph's sons, Ephraim, name is taken to refer to all of the northern 10 tribes. But they are all one family. (Jer. 31:1).

The Southern Kingdom was always consisting of Judah, and Benjamin. But also, Levi would have been present in the priests and those who cared fro the Temple. By the time of Christ, there were all tribes represented though Judah and Benjamin would have been dominate.

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That would make all of the children of Jacob. That's not the question. How could people of the tribe of Judah be children of Rachel?

And how literally should we take that verse? Was Rachel, long since dead and buried, weeping from her grave?

Another mystery about Rachel is Joseph's dream about his mother and father. Remember now, Rachel died and did not go down into Egypt.

Genesis 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
11 And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.
 
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That would make all of the children of Jacob. That's not the question. How could people of the tribe of Judah be children of Rachel?

And how literally should we take that verse? Was Rachel, long since dead and buried, weeping from her grave?

Another mystery about Rachel is Joseph's dream about his mother and father. Remember now, Rachel died and did not go down into Egypt.

Genesis 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
11 And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.

I just showed you. In Scripture Jews can represent all of Israel. Ephraim can represent all of the northern kingdom. Judah can represent all of the southern kingdom even though there were many of all tribes there, but especially Benjamin and Levi. Just as Jacob can be identified as Israel in the Scripture, so here Rachael is representative of mothers of Israel weeping for her children.

They all are Jews or Israelites as they come from Jacob. In the original prophetic naming of Ben-oni, (Gen. 35:18) Rachel didn't know she was giving a prophecy in naming him 'Ben-oni', meaning the son of my sorrow. But God did, as He was the source of the name, and even though it was changed to Benjamin, this Scripture remains to show the fulfillment of it.

So, Rachael weeping for her children is true in (Gen.35;18), (Jer. 31:15), and (Matt. 2:17-18).

See, you are a seed of unbelief. As soon as one of your doubts are explained you go to your ready made list to find another. You're looking for doubts, mistakes, because you reject the Scriptures and Jesus Christ of the Scriptures.

As for your last, on your ready made list, which probably you got from the internet and not your own studies, I will answer it.

Concerning Josephs dream, you left out the first half. There were two dreams. The first in (Gen. 37:5-8) brought about the correct response from his brothers. "...Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us?" Concerning the next in (Gen. 37:9-11) the response by Jacob was the same. "Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren, indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? Which they did, except that Rachael died. But, had she lived, she would have done as all the rest of Jacob's family did. The point being God elevated Jacob over the rest of all his family.

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See, you are a seed of unbelief. As soon as one of your doubts are explained you go to your ready made list to find another.
you asked me what was next, so I went to Matthew to see.
You're looking for doubts, mistakes, because you reject the Scriptures and Jesus Christ of the Scriptures.

As for your last, on your ready made list, which probably you got from the internet and not your own studies, I will answer it.
You make things up as you go. I have no such list, but you think you know what probably happened. If we can't discuss earthly things intelligently, how could we discuss heavenly things?

You explained nothing about Rachel, nothing; but if you're content, so be it.
 

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you asked me what was next, so I went to Matthew to see.You make things up as you go. I have no such list, but you think you know what probably happened. If we can't discuss earthly things intelligently, how could we discuss heavenly things?

You explained nothing about Rachel, nothing; but if you're content, so be it.

I did explain it. Just as I explained all your other doubts. Your disappointed. Why? Because an explanation was given. In other words, you are not looking for answers. You're looking for doubts. You want to create doubts in the Christians minds.

Now you resort to 'earthly things' as opposed to 'heavenly things'. What does this mean? It means because I gave explanation to your doubts, you must now say that is but an 'earthly thing'. And of course you are the supposed one to present the 'heavenly thing'. Which means I just stepped into your bs.

Concerning Rachel, why rest with me being content? If you have any thing to say against it, ...say on. In other words, your opinion means nothing. And you offer nothing else.

So, get your list. Try and find a more difficult error to bring up that no one can explain. That way your unbelief is confirmed. Which is all you are trying to do...along with the hope that others follow you in your unbelief.

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I don't understand why Amadeus has put his "Like" against this post since it has some very serious problems.
I think John has it right when he says:...
The first thing that Christians must believe is that EACH AND EVERY WRITER of the Bible wrote by divine inspiration (2 Tim 3:16,17). Which means that each one *had it right* because God always has it right.
First, John tells us things he either saw or heard from the best of sources.
Another erroneous statement. John was probably the chief PERSONAL WITNESS of the earthly ministry of Christ. He did not need any other sources, and what Jesus did not supply the Holy Spirit supplied.
The passage from Zechariah is poetic, and Hebrew poetry rather than rhyming often says a thing and then rephrases it with the same meaning.
Zechariah has never been regarded as a poetic book.
The Gospel of Matthew has other passages where the Old Testament is not quoted right and passage which conflict with the other Gospels. Matthew also seems to want to make things more miraculous than the other three Gospels. Compare these two passages -- when did the fig tree wither?
Another false idea. Matthew wrote AS DIRECTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. Therefore there were no blunders or oversights in his Gospel.
I put more credence in Mark's account.
GOD WON'T ALLOW THAT. All the Evangelists (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are equally credible), since God is the Author, and they are merely the writers (or scribes if you will).
It's also possible people copied parts of Matthew wrong, and we got the wrong variation while the right one was lost.
GOD WON'T ALLOW THAT EITHER. Just as God is the one who inspired the original writers, God is the one who had His hand over the copies of copies of copies. That is why we have over 5,000 manuscripts of the New Testament, so that the overwhelming witness of the majority confirms that Scripture was preserved over the centuries.
It is also possible that Matthew was originally written in Hebrew with some sections copied from Mark;and then later it was translated back into Greek with all Hebrew copies lost.
There is NO CREDIBLE PROOF of any such thing. Pure conjecture.

Giuliano, it is quite evident from this post that you DO NOT BELIEVE that the Bible is literally the Word of God, given by divine inspiration, therefore inerrant and infallible. Well you have much to learn, so kindly obtain a hard copy of The Inspiration and Authority of the Bible by Benjamin B. Warfield (with a word of caution). He was deceived by the modern lower critics into thinking that the ideas of Westcott & Hort (and their ilk) were credible. So he gave credence to their theories.
 

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I don't understand why Amadeus has put his "Like" against this post since it has some very serious problems.

The first thing that Christians must believe is that EACH AND EVERY WRITER of the Bible wrote by divine inspiration (2 Tim 3:16,17). Which means that each one *had it right* because God always has it right.
Paul meant at least the Hebrew books of the Jews. There is no evidence he meant all those we include today.

Another erroneous statement.
John was probably the chief PERSONAL WITNESS of the earthly ministry of Christ. He did not need any other sources, and what Jesus did not supply the Holy Spirit supplied.
Now you're saying he depended on his own eyes and on the Holy Spirit for what he wrote.

I'd consider his seeing things himself a very good source. He includes passages where he heard what went on the Sanhedrin. I don't assume he was there; I assume he knew someone in the Sanhedrin, probably Nicodemus. I don't think John was there in person to hear what Nicodemus and John said.

Zechariah has never been regarded as a poetic book.
What can I say? Much of the Old Testament takes the form of poetry.

Another false idea.
Matthew wrote AS DIRECTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. Therefore there were no blunders or oversights in his Gospel.
Who claimed this first? Matthew himself? The Catholic Church?

GOD WON'T ALLOW THAT. All the Evangelists (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are equally credible), since God is the Author, and they are merely the writers (or scribes if you will).
Answer the questions posed then.

What was "literally" written above Jesus on the cross?
Did Jesus ride one or two animals?
Why does Matthew say 14 generations and have only 13 names?
Why are there missing names in his list?
Was Rachel really crying?
How is Rachel the mother of the Jews?

GOD WON'T ALLOW THAT EITHER. Just as God is the one who inspired the original writers, God is the one who had His hand over the copies of copies of copies. That is why we have over 5,000 manuscripts of the New Testament, so that the overwhelming witness of the majority confirms that Scripture was preserved over the centuries.
God could force men to preserve a book but He didn't force the Catholic Church to remain truthful? How do you know the Catholics didn't burn other books? Maybe they forged some? You take their word for it what books should be in your Bible.

There is NO CREDIBLE PROOF of any such thing. Pure conjecture.
There is no proof for many things we believe. You have zero proof that the entire New Testament is inspired, without error. On the contrary, we can see it contains errors.

Have you ever asked yourself what "scriptures" Paul meant here?

2 Timothy 3:15 and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

It couldn't mean the New Testament. That means the Old Testament can make us "wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."

Perhaps some New Testament books were inspired; but most do not claim it.

Giuliano, it is quite evident from this post that you DO NOT BELIEVE that the Bible is literally the Word of God, given by divine inspiration, therefore inerrant and infallible. Well you have much to learn, so kindly obtain a hard copy of The Inspiration and Authority of the Bible by Benjamin B. Warfield (with a word of caution). He was deceived by the modern lower critics into thinking that the ideas of Westcott & Hort (and their ilk) were credible. So he gave credence to their theories.
I would call the books of Moses the "Word of God." The rest have some errors. Even the Jews say the books called "the Prophets" and "the Scriptures" contain errors. They'll tell you where they think they are.

If Luke was fully inspired by God alone, why did he ask people what happened?

Luke 1:1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;


It seems clear to me that most of the New Testament is as not as highly inspired as the books of Moses or those called the Prophets. It is inspired but with with more inaccuracies like some books of the Old Testament contains minor mistakes.

What was written above Jesus on the cross? Do you know? Can you tell us? I think I know, and I can give reasonable explanations for it too.

The real Word of God is not a written book. The real Word of God is alive. The "written" words say that.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Can your Bible read your mind? Separate soul and spirit? Do you think a book (your Bible) visited Abraham?

Genesis 15:1 After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

Nothing is perfect except God. Holy books and holy men are good, but they are not God. My faith is in God and in His Messiah, not in a book.

 

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Now you resort to 'earthly things' as opposed to 'heavenly things'. What does this mean?
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You were talking about a list you thought I had. Your mind invented that. You seem to think every thought that crosses your mind is true. I know better. I know I had no such list. That's how I know you don't understand earthly things.

Even if I had such a list, it wouldn't be relevant to our discussion. You wanted to discuss me instead of the passages from the Bible. You got personal, and I got personal back -- you had no clue about what you were talking when talking about a list that doesn't exist. You imagined it.
 

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You were talking about a list you thought I had. Your mind invented that. You seem to think every thought that crosses your mind is true. I know better. I know I had no such list. That's how I know you don't understand earthly things.

Even if I had such a list, it wouldn't be relevant to our discussion. You wanted to discuss me instead of the passages from the Bible. You got personal, and I got personal back -- you had no clue about what you were talking when talking about a list that doesn't exist. You imagined it.

No, I imagined nothing. You are a seed of doubt looking for doubts in the Bible. Which is why you continue, in your post to Enoch, to use the 'supposed errors' that I explained to you already.

You say your faith is in God and the Messiah. Tell me about the Messiah you believe in. Was He God and Man? Or was He just a man?

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No, I imagined nothing. You are a seed of doubt looking for doubts in the Bible. Which is why you continue, in your post to Enoch, to use the 'supposed errors' that I explained to you already.
You explained nothing; and I look for answers to the problems posed in the Bible, not content to say, "It's all true, but I don't know what it means."

I see you stopped talking about the imaginary list. . . .
You say your faith is in God and the Messiah. Tell me about the Messiah you believe in. Was He God and Man? Or was He just a man?
You have a Bible if you want to know about Jesus. Why ask me? I don't want to discuss spiritual things with someone so easily confused about earthly things. For all I know, you may think a dead Rachel was in her grave crying. After all, you seem to believe Jesus was riding two animals.
 
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Jesus said 'It is written'. (Matt. 4:4,7,10)

Jesus said every word in the Law, down to the jot and title, shall be fuflilled. (Matt. 5:17-18)

Note He did not say just the 'luv' passages.

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He said all the Law was about Love. For someone who claims to believe the Bible is true, you don't seem to have paid much attention to what you were reading.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Paul said it too.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Both are true since it's impossible to love God if we don't love our neighbour.

1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
 

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You explained nothing; and I look for answers to the problems posed in the Bible, not content to say, "It's all true, but I don't know what it means."

I see you stopped talking about the imaginary list. . . .
You have a Bible if you want to know about Jesus. Why ask me? I don't want to discuss spiritual things with someone so easily confused about earthly things. For all I know, you may think a dead Rachel was in her grave crying. After all, you seem to believe Jesus could ride two animals.

I did explain them. And it was you that quit talking about them when I did. You simply ran away. Because you are unwilling to say the Bible is the Word of God, it makes your comments about the Bible without any authority.

What else would you like me say about your list of contradictions. I'm just waiting for the next one on your list. You do have a list, because you have not done any Bible study on your own. If you did you wouldn't be so ignorant of the Bible.

See, you ask why I haven't said anything more about your list, yet here I asked you a question about Jesus Christ, and what do you do? You run. You tell me to read the Bible, but I have read the Bible. It is not my view of Jesus in question. It is yours. If you want to ask me about Jesus Christ, go ahead. I'm not afraid to answer. You on the other hand make a remark, and then run and hide behind your 'spiritual things'.

I explained to you about Rachael. I explained to you the two donkeys Jesus rode. You act like He had to ride them at the same time. More ignorance on your part.

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I did explain them. And it was you that quit talking about them when I did. You simply ran away. Because you are unwilling to say the Bible is the Word of God, it makes your comments about the Bible without any authority.
And you say it is, making you right?

What else would you like me say about your list of contradictions. I'm just waiting for the next one on your list. You do have a list, because you have not done any Bible study on your own. If you did you wouldn't be so ignorant of the Bible.
More insults, nothing constructive to say. And back to your imaginary list!

See, you ask why I haven't said anything more about your list, yet here I asked you a question about Jesus Christ, and what do you do? You run. You tell me to read the Bible, but I have read the Bible. It is not my view of Jesus in question. It is yours. If you want to ask me about Jesus Christ, go ahead. I'm not afraid to answer. You on the other hand make a remark, and then run and hide behind your 'spiritual things'.

I explained to you about Rachael. I explained to you the two donkeys Jesus rode. You act like He had to ride them at the same time. More ignorance on your part.

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Was Rachel dead in her grave weeping for the Jews who were descended from Leah and thus not her children?
 

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He said all the Law was about Love. For someone who claims to believe the Bible is true, you don't seem to have paid much attention to what you were reading.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Paul said it too.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Both are true since it's impossible to love God if we don't love our neighbour.

1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

You miss the point. I never said I don't believe the passages you gave. I do. They are the Word of God. That in no way means you have the liberty to doubt any portion of the Bible that you don't believe exhibits love. But you do.

You on the other hand do not believe the Bible is the Word of God. I showed you that Jesus Christ sees all of the Old Testament as the Word of God. Yet you disagree. You say it is full of errors because man was involved in it's writing.

Jesus said, 'It is written'. And He is God The Son. Isn't He?

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And you say it is, making you right?


More insults, nothing constructive to say. And back to your imaginary list!


Was Rachel dead in her grave weeping for the Jews who were descended from Leah and thus not her children?

No, what makes me right is the Bible declares it is the Word of God. Which is the same that makes you wrong.

'Nonthing constructive' means you have nothing to say. I understand. Still waiting for the next on your list. Any time. Here, let me give you some encouragement. There are some things I cannot answer in the Bible. I don't know. There are some apparent contradictions that I have no answer for. But, that doesn't mean there isn't an answer. So I still believe God, and the Bible as the Word of God. So keep trying with your list. You might hit one.

I explained to you Rachel already. See again, post #(302).

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He said all the Law was about Love. For someone who claims to believe the Bible is true, you don't seem to have paid much attention to what you were reading.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Paul said it too.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Both are true since it's impossible to love God if we don't love our neighbour.

1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read Hebrews4:12 and imagined this rod of correction as one placed in my hand, lol, or only for someone else. Many I believe have diligently searched the scriptures allegedly for Christ. When in truth all they search for is authority and power never understanding the power of God is taking the lower seat.
 
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No, what makes me right is the Bible declares it is the Word of God. Which is the same that makes you wrong.
Believe it if you want. You don't have it anymore than the Jews had "the Law of God" when Jeremiah told them:

Jeremiah 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

You have a book. That's what they had.
'Nonthing constructive' means you have nothing to say. I understand. Still waiting for the next on your list. Any time. Here, let me give you some encouragement. There are some things I cannot answer in the Bible. I don't know. There are some apparent contradictions that I have no answer for. But, that doesn't mean there isn't an answer. So I still believe God, and the Bible as the Word of God. So keep trying with your list. You might hit one.

I explained to you Rachel already. See again, post #(302).

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Do you understand that I take nothing you say as worth paying too much attention to? You bore me. You seem unable to write without insults. What's the point?
That in no way means you have the liberty to doubt any portion of the Bible that you don't believe exhibits love.
Again you seem unable to understand. Something could easily be inspired Scripture without my seeing the Love in it. However when I can see the Love in a passage, then I can feel confident I really understood it. It's written on my heart then. If I don't see the Love in a passage, I honestly don't know what to make of it. Maybe it is inspired, and I'm not understanding it; or perhaps someone added it and I'll never understand it; but I feel confident that all Scripture is about Love if it truly is inspired. I can't be sure however until the Love in it is shown to me. You claim to be sure about things you admit you don't understand.
 

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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read Hebrews4:12 and imagined this rod of correction as one placed in my hand, lol, or only for someone else. Many I believe have diligently searched the scriptures allegedly for Christ.
They can keep searching, but while he's spoken of in them, they are not him. The Jews had read their books but still didn't recognize Jesus when he was in front of them.
When in truth all they search for is authority and power never understanding the power of God is taking the lower seat.
It reminds me of Eve wanting knowledge for sake of knowledge -- people think knowledge is power, and in earthly terms maybe it is.
 
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Ordinarily I look forward to reading your posts, but I am baffled by the last few, primarily because you're throwing your pearls before swine, and what's even worse is to quote the mindless nonsense of those you yourself admit is just insulting.

If there was a way to engage obnoxious people, and quickly get them to see the error of their ways, I see no reason not to do that. Anything else is idiotic. I don't mean that in a derogatory way, but in the sense that it is to engage them on their 'own' level. Frankly, I don't see the point if they are incapable of moving beyond woefully uninspired trolling.

If one is capable of trolling the troll into obscurity, I see no point in belaboring or forestalling that goal. If not, nothing is more effective than that trusty "ignore" button. However, if the troll's posts are making their way into my watched threads via your posts, "we have a problem Houston". Perhaps you could simply respond to his posts without bothering to repost his insulting remarks?

G.K. Chesterton says that anything worth doing is worth doing badly. Insulting posts don't really warrant being reposted. I enjoy the information you share on your posts, but the other parties insults, and mindless rants are not informative.
 

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Believe it if you want. You don't have it anymore than the Jews had "the Law of God" when Jeremiah told them:

Jeremiah 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

You have a book. That's what they had.

Do you understand that I take nothing you say as worth paying too much attention to? You bore me. You seem unable to write without insults. What's the point?
Again you seem unable to understand. Something could easily be inspired Scripture without my seeing the Love in it. However when I can see the Love in a passage, then I can feel confident I really understood it. It's written on my heart then. If I don't see the Love in a passage, I honestly don't know what to make of it. Maybe it is inspired, and I'm not understanding it; or perhaps someone added it and I'll never understand it; but I feel confident that all Scripture is about Love if it truly is inspired. I can't be sure however until the Love in it is shown to me. You claim to be sure about things you admit you don't understand.

The Jews had the law of God, which was the inspired Word of God.

I am sure the Bible is the inspired Word of God. You are not. You must see the 'luv'. What bs. You are willing to tell people that certain pasages in the Bible are not from God because 'you' don't see the 'luv'. How asinine.

The bottom line is you don't know...one way or the other. Now, what kind of doctrine or belief will you build on that? Answer: a false doctrine.

So, get in line with all the other doubters and atheists on the forum and try and project your unbelief.

And, why do you avoid my question, as if I didn't know, as to Who Jesus is? Is Jesus the God/Man or not? Simple question, except for cowards.

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Ordinarily I look forward to reading your posts, but I am baffled by the last few, primarily because you're throwing your pearls before swine, and what's even worse is to quote the mindless nonsense of those you yourself admit is just insulting.

If there was a way to engage obnoxious people, and quickly get them to see the error of their ways, I see no reason not to do that. Anything else is idiotic. I don't mean that in a derogatory way, but in the sense that it is to engage them on their 'own' level. Frankly, I don't see the point if they are incapable of moving beyond woefully uninspired trolling.

If one is capable of trolling the troll into obscurity, I see no point in belaboring or forestalling that goal. If not, nothing is more effective than that trusty "ignore" button. However, if the troll's posts are making their way into my watched threads via your posts, "we have a problem Houston". Perhaps you could simply respond to his posts without bothering to repost his insulting remarks?

G.K. Chesterton says that anything worth doing is worth doing badly. Insulting posts don't really warrant being reposted. I enjoy the information you share on your posts, but the other parties insults, and mindless rants are not informative.

If you have me on ignore, why are you reading my posts. The only swine is you who are not Christian. You don't even have the....guts...to engage the fight. You like to speak and run. You put me on ignore because you can't take the heat. You can't answer the questions. Just like Giuliano will do. Why are liberals and atheists such cowards like yourself?

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