Absolutely!Not to mention, this was, I think, a very different sort of thing than at any other time. I think Pentecost was singularly unique.
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Absolutely!Not to mention, this was, I think, a very different sort of thing than at any other time. I think Pentecost was singularly unique.
Correct. And that is the fundamental flaw of this paper. And to claim that Paul had no clue about Pentecost (as suggested by Willie) is to underestimate both Paul and the Holy Spirit. There is no question that Paul would have been fully apprised of everything that happened on Pentecost and thereafter. Indeed, he gives us the fullest discussion about spiritual gifts, and tells us that tongues were a sign gift for unbelieving Jews.Isn't a "social science approach" more like eisegesis? Isn't exegesis what comes out of the text?
You didn't even read what I wrote, did you? In your haste, you missed an important part...… take another look. (I deliberately set it off in commas so you wouldn't miss it.)Correct. And that is the fundamental flaw of this paper. And to claim that Paul had no clue about Pentecost (as suggested by Willie) is to underestimate both Paul and the Holy Spirit. There is no question that Paul would have been fully apprised of everything that happened on Pentecost and thereafter. Indeed, he gives us the fullest discussion about spiritual gifts, and tells us that tongues were a sign gift for unbelieving Jews.
The reason I ever read it in the first place, is that I honestly do think the same old canned "Shanda la sha bamba" I hear so many preachers blurt out is as phony as a three dollar bill...… even though I DO believe a miracle of HEARING went on that day at Pentecost.
One thing that struck me is that, for decades, I have also jumped to the erroneous conclusion that because 15 locations were listed in Acts 2, that there had to have been at least 15 different languages heard (The author keeps saying, "spoken.")
Although about 6 or 8 people on here will swear THEY know exactly what happened (and you already know the people I mean LOL) I'm afraid none of us will ever know for sure, until we reach our final home. But, I too, lean more toward it being primarily a HEARING miracle.Good one Willie T. me bro!
I have wondered did they really speak in the other "languages" or was it those from all parts were hearing it in their own tongues. After all, the Word does say they "all heard..."
That's what I think to, but it's so unimportant to be whether it's this way or that way. Thousands were added to the church.Although about 6 or 8 people on here will swear THEY know exactly what happened (and you already know the people I mean LOL) I'm afraid none of us will ever know for sure, until we reach our final home. But, I too, lean more toward it being primarily a HEARING miracle.
So true.That's what I think too, but it's so unimportant to be whether it's this way or that way. Thousands were added to the church.
That's much love!
Those "canned" tongues of the many preachers you have heard may well be either a false tongue, or baby talk. I have no doubt that both exist! When a human child is born to his mother for quite a while he makes sounds which are often described as babble for that is what they are. He does not come out of the birth canal speaking perfect English or whatever the language of his parents is. It takes time. There really are people who speak with tongues by the Spirit of God, but haver never proceeded beyond baby talk perhaps because that is how they have served God. But... having said that, not every person with a gift of tongues from God has remained in infancy.The reason I ever read it in the first place, is that I honestly do think the same old canned "Shanda la sha bamba" I hear so many preachers blurt out is as phony as a three dollar bill...… even though I DO believe a miracle of HEARING went on that day at Pentecost.
One thing that struck me is that, for decades, I have also jumped to the erroneous conclusion that because 15 locations were listed in Acts 2, that there had to have been at least 15 different languages heard (The author keeps saying, "spoken.")
Hey Willie, haven’t really had an opportunity to give the article the attention I’d like to, but from what I’ve read so far...... very interesting and also very revealing, that is my narrow mindedness.If you have the maturity to read something all the way through, carefully and slowly, without judging, you might like this article.
If you lack that ability, don't bother opening this. (It isn't being placed here to listen to arguments about how you "know" what is correct. It's probably too long for you, anyway. LOL)
A New Look At Tongues
I guess my English can pass as 'other tongues'. lolNow there is a meaning for "other tongues" that most would never have imagined. Clearly the phrase takes on a new but simple meaning--"other than Hebrew."
So if I do not read YOUR POST, I am what names did you call me?If you have the maturity to read something all the way through, carefully and slowly, without judging, you might like this article.
If you lack that ability, don't bother opening this. (It isn't being placed here to listen to arguments about how you "know" what is correct. It's probably too long for you, anyway. LOL)
A New Look At Tongues
There's a guy, nominally Christian, who hands out tracts by the railway station I chat with about Christian matters and he insists that to be born again a person has to speak in tongues.If you have the maturity to read something all the way through, carefully and slowly, without judging, you might like this article.
If you lack that ability, don't bother opening this. (It isn't being placed here to listen to arguments about how you "know" what is correct. It's probably too long for you, anyway. LOL)
A New Look At Tongues
so how long do you have to smell horse dump before you recognize its horse dump? 5 minutes was 4.5 minutes to long. and honestly, are we really supposed to care about what you asked? you posted something in public you get what you get.I'm saying you didn't "read" 9,896 words in five minutes. And that is just what I asked not be done.
I see you didn't read the article either. LOLThere's a guy, nominally Christian, who hands out tracts by the railway station I chat with about Christian matters and he insists that to be born again a person has to speak in tongues.
I quote 1 Corinthians 12:10 To others he gives the ability to speak in different kinds of languages they had not known before. And to still others he gives the ability to explain what was said in those languages. '
I say this means that tongues is a gift that may be given to some who GOD can foreseee will make use of it but it is not an essential outer marker of being saved.
I attended a Pentecostal church a few times where one guy would stand up and holler long strings of what to me sounded like random words without any recognisable speech flow. That church was also strong on slaying in the spirit. The first half hour of each Sunday services was devoted to booming popPraise with a very insistent monotonous drum beat that to me sounded like a means of lowering the congregation's resistance and allow demons to posses them.
Better gifts for me are wisdom, knowledge and recognising evil spirits.
that's also a good point.As already noted . . . Not just what they were speaking, the languages of their birthplaces, wasn't it?
Much love!