marks said: ↑
Hi Oligos,
I believe the true baptism is into Jesus. I believe that our regeneration is by being indwelt by God, Who creates a new person, and we become that person, who is united to God, don't ask me to explain how.
I believe that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is only in those who are regenerated, and, in Cornelius among others, though many are baptized, yet the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is seen before water baptism.
Are we born again because we are baptized? Or are we baptized because we are born again? Cornelius says we are baptized because we are born again, or so it seems to me.
Much love!
Mark my friend
Can you give me some bible verses to help "QUALIFY" and "VALIDAT" your opinions here.
Would be much appreciated my good friend.
god bless your life
My name is OLIGOS
Certainly!
Ephesians 4
1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith,
one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Romans 6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were
baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
2 Corinthians 5
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore
if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation
to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
These tell me there is one baptism, that baptism is into Jesus, and being immersed into Jesus we join in His death and resurrection, becoming new creations, born of God. God's spirit children.
1 Peter 3
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure
whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (
not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,)
by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
Hebrews 10
14 For
by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
Our bodies washed with pure water . . . is this an instruction, or a metaphorical contrast, the washing we receive does what the ritual cleansings could not do?
Our full assurance of . . . faith . . . hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and bodies washed with pure water.
Is water baptism regenerative? It wasn't in Cornelius.
Hebrews 10
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
What did the ritual cleansings accomplish?
Much love!
