With God and was God?

janc said:

All passages about the word "Spirit" in this post have been translated from the Hebrew word "ruach" and from the Greek word "pneuma".

Why does the Bible speak as if the spirit is separate from the person? Why does the Bible say "The Spirit of God" or why does God say "My Spirit" as if the Spirit is not he himself but a "possession" of him although he is the Spirit himself.
Other biblical persons also say in some passages: "My spirit is..." as if he is a "possession".
Especially in the New Testament one will have the impression that the Spirit of God is a separate person, for the Spirit speaks and acts and at the same time he is separated in one sentence from "God the Father" by saying "Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Spirit".
This shows that the Bible has a strong symbolic language which makes it very difficult to understand.
I am sure that the word in John 1:1 is the (holy) Spirit of God, which is God himself and not a separate person.

In the beginning was the Spirit of God and the Spirit of God was with God and God was the Spirit of God.

By the Word of God the heavens were made, by the Spirit of his mouth, for he spoke and it was.

What was in the beginning before creation?
And the Spirit of God hovered over the waters. And God spoke...

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There is a need to distinguish, in men, the difference between their physical bodies and the living spirit within them. The body may perish, but the spirit lives on.

God is distinguished from His material creation by calling Himself a "Spirit." God is uncreated.

Angels are created, but are called "spirits" to distinguish them from the corruptible material construction of the creation--they are created, just like human spirits, but they do not have corruptible physical bodies. Their bodies do not die. They have spiritual bodies, I think, that can assume physical form.

One day we ourselves will have incorruptible "spiritual bodies," like the angels. Our re-creation, or "resurrection," will amount to something physical, and yet incorruptible and not limited to the physical. I'm speculating...

Randy Kluth said:

God is distinguished from His material creation by calling Himself a "Spirit." God is uncreated.

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Note God , Yahweh Almighty Creator echad with Jesus (one with Him eternally)

is Spirit, not "a" anything - without measurement, without form (except as He chooses and when He chooses to appear to someone), without parts.
Spiritual is altogether different and set apart and not like flesh, stuff (created stuff), etc ...
Without beginning, without being created, without end, without being able to be measured - gloriously immeasurable ! Not subject to any of man's observations or measurements or words or descriptions or doctrines....

janc said:

I am sure that the word in John 1:1 is the (holy) Spirit of God, which is God himself and not a separate person.

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In His Word, "Spirit" and "spirit" in the original are not capitalized , either one. I read that the translators sometimes just picked one or the other to do - to capitalize or not to capitalize, when they did not know if the Creator or man is meant (man's spirit).

"Holy" is always an adjective throughout OT and NT - meaning "set apart".

Randy Kluth said:

I'm speculating

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Yep, you sure are. Hate to break this to you but very little of what you said could be biblically justified. Only God is immortal. Certainly not man... Either spiritually or physically. And please, don't say man's Spirit is immortal. God is Spirit. And only God is immortal.

Backlit said:

Yep, you sure are. Hate to break this to you but very little of what you said could be biblically justified. Only God is immortal. Certainly not man... Either spiritually or physically. And please, don't say man's Spirit is immortal. God is Spirit. And only God is immortal.

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I believe that's right, only God is immortal. I thought at some point in the Resurrection, God makes His children immortal ?
Do you happen to have an available reference to a Bible search capability ?
Like for all the instances of "mortal" and "immortal" in the various translations ?

Joseph77 said:

I believe that's right, only God is immortal. I thought at some point in the Resurrection, God makes His children immortal ?
Do you happen to have an available reference to a Bible search capability ?
Like for all the instances of "mortal" and "immortal" in the various translations ?

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KJV 1 Corinthians 15
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

The question is, when does this take place, this putting on if immortality?

KJV 1 Corinthians 15
Victory Over Death
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Quite simple really... At the last trump. And when is that?

KJV Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And just in case there's any doubt...
KJV 1 Thessalonians 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

COOL! THANKS !
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QUOTE="Backlit, post: 786701, member: 8912"]KJV 1 Corinthians 15
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

The question is, when does this take place, this putting on if immortality?

KJV 1 Corinthians 15
Victory Over Death
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Quite simple really... At the last trump. And when is that?

KJV Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And just in case there's any doubt...
KJV 1 Thessalonians 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:[/QUOTE
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KJV John 6
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day....
44 no man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

janc said:

Why does the Bible speak as if the spirit is separate from the person? Why does the Bible say "The Spirit of God" or why does God say "My Spirit" as if the Spirit is not he himself but a "possession" of him although he is the Spirit himself.

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Because God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24); but He descended to become a Man (Isaiah 9:6) with a body, soul, and spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

The Spirit of Jesus is the Spirit of God therefore; and when He released it back to the Father in Luke 23:46, the Spirit became distinct from the Son. Before that, they are unified as One.

Addressing the OP
"with" God is God. one person of himself, shared, that is in place and time. "was" is in the ordinal series after the First, hence the ordinal Last. still the same person only in place and time.

PICJAG.

Backlit said:

KJV John 6
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day....
44 no man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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@Backlit Great verses; the Lord graciously preserves those whom He saves...

Joseph77 said:

In His Word, "Spirit" and "spirit" in the original are not capitalized , either one. I read that the translators sometimes just picked one or the other to do - to capitalize or not to capitalize, when they did not know if the Creator or man is meant (man's spirit).

"Holy" is always an adjective throughout OT and NT - meaning "set apart".

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The original? What ancient text(s) are you referring to?

Joseph77 said:

COOL! THANKS !
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QUOTE="Backlit, post: 786701, member: 8912"]KJV 1 Corinthians 15
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

The question is, when does this take place, this putting on if immortality?

KJV 1 Corinthians 15
Victory Over Death
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Quite simple really... At the last trump. And when is that?

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Trump?? OMG, no!! The word in modern English is "trumpet".