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(I'm sorry @DNB, I got distracted and forgot to reply to your full post).
Or in other words: to walk in the Father's way but not the Son's way.
Can you do that?
Under a polytheism, system such is very very easy.
This was the part that prompted my question as to whether you believer Christ is God.
Though experiment for DNB: I want you to go and follow the Father, but not follow what the Son tells you to do?
Or in other words: to walk in the Father's way but not the Son's way.
Can you do that?
Under a polytheism, system such is very very easy.
Sorry, I thought that I made that clear early on. No, I emphatically deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, or any other being, entity or person, other than God the Father. This, is be definition, monotheism, as in Judaism, ...as the Patriarchs or Prophets undeniably believed (Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Isaiah, Ezra).
You've been indoctrinated, Christophany, ...and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to monotheism. ... you, and every trinitarian (especially Athanasius),will have your foot in your mouth the minute that you try, and have already proven this to be the case, continuously. It's sad that I even have to bring this to your attention. Just admit that you have confounded yourself with your own theology, and have put more faith in unauthorized men and their councils, than trying to seek wisdom and God's glory.
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No worries, thanks!
Ah, very clever, ...but, I'm afraid that this does not address the real issue. Me, as one who does not believe in the deity of Christ, still accepts his perfection, which is defined as loving God with all one's heart, and loving one's neighbour as one's self, ...all things follow. And, I believe that Jesus is seated at God's right-hand waiting to judge the world at the Great White Throne. Therefore, Jesus and God were one in will and purpose, ...as all Christians are exhorted to be (John 17:21-22). So that, in my mind, this does not necessitate, by any means, that Jesus was God. On the contrary, God did not love Himself in order to become the perfect sacrifice, and God did not propitiate Himself in order to absolve man from their sins. Such a logistic is absurd, and can only defame God by such an unsound and unjust judicial system.
Thank you for the acknowledgement, ...and your candor, of course!
ChristisGod
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John 8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you'll die in your sins."
John 8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. And you will die in your sins if you do not believe that 'I Am Who I Am'."gnt
John 8:24
“I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for unless you shall believe that I AM THE LIVING GOD, you shall die in your sins.”aramaic
hope this helps !!!
Christophany, you are reckless. What in the world did you just do there? The utter audacity is shameful. Ego eimi, in context, means I am the one in question. It is used by many different characters throughout the Bible, in both the OT (ehyeh) & NT (ego eimi). That was extremely incompetent and abominable exegesis, what you did above. This is the desperation and deceit of trinitarian theology.
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Okay, didn't see that.
If you are closed-minded to the truth, so be it.
Just know that if you do not believe that Jesus is the great I AM, you will die in your sins (John 8:24).
And also my posts/blog just might have the capability of instilling within you a faith in a doctrine that is essential for your salvation; the Deity of Christ.
So, in failing to read my post/blog, you are accountable in that it was presented to you; and you chose not to read it.
I have given you warning from the Lord; so your blood is on your own head.
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Thank you for your comments. I have not studied the Trinity deeply before getting involved in this thread. I have found a very interesting article which I have skimmed but need to study. It traces the different approaches between Western (Latin) and Eastern (Greek) theology on the Trinity in the early centuries. Western was basically the work of Augustine (of Hippo) and considers all action of God the be of the Trinity.
I quote:
He views the Divine Nature as prior to the Personalities. Deus is for him not God the Father, but the Trinity. This was a step of the first importance, safeguarding as it did alike the unity of God and the equality of the Persons in a manner which the Greek system could never do. As we have seen one at least of the Greeks, Didymus, had adopted this standpoint; and it is possible that Augustine may have derived this method of viewing the mystery from him. But to make it the basis for the whole treatment of the doctrine was the work of Augustine’s genius.
He insists that every external operation of God is due to the whole Trinity, and cannot be attributed to one Person alone, save by appropriation (see Holy Ghost). The Greek Fathers had, as we have seen, been led to affirm that the action (energeia) of the Three Persons was one, and one alone. But the doctrine of appropriation was unknown to them and thus the value of this conclusion was obscured by a traditional theology implying the distinct activities of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Link - Trinity
I'm leaving it there now.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all
a statement was assessed that,
it's an OXYMORON to say you're MONOTHEISTIC, but yet worship three person as a God, notice we said as, as, as, "a" God. that's three no matter how one try to cover it up, what a stronge delusion.
as said, BYW- , "NOT ALL", let me repete this, "NOT ALL", trinitarian, and none-trinitarians, are Pagans, .... but most are more Pagan than the pagans in the world, and that's with a capital "P" in paganism. and this is the most Idol worshippers I have ever experienced, just look at certian topics, and certian doctoral beliefs. no Judging, but observing.
Instead of arguing from God Wisdom, the truth, from the bible, many argue from their own beliefs in ignorance. and on top of that, get personal. when it's never about "YOU", no it's about God. no Judging, but observing.
the scriptures, they are true, 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"
2 Timothy 4:4 "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
IN HEARING THAT SCRIPTURE,
None of "US" have the right to open "OUR" mouth aganist ancient Israel, in their failure in accepting the truth and the "GRACE" of God, or the Messiah. if we just look at some of these topic on this board alone,"WE" are just as pagan,.... or worest, than ancient Israel.
it's never to late to repent, thank God the Lord Jesus haven't came back yet.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
a statement was assessed that,
it's an OXYMORON to say you're MONOTHEISTIC, but yet worship three person as a God, notice we said as, as, as, "a" God. that's three no matter how one try to cover it up, what a stronge delusion.
as said, BYW- , "NOT ALL", let me repete this, "NOT ALL", trinitarian, and none-trinitarians, are Pagans, .... but most are more Pagan than the pagans in the world, and that's with a capital "P" in paganism. and this is the most Idol worshippers I have ever experienced, just look at certian topics, and certian doctoral beliefs. no Judging, but observing.
Instead of arguing from God Wisdom, the truth, from the bible, many argue from their own beliefs in ignorance. and on top of that, get personal. when it's never about "YOU", no it's about God. no Judging, but observing.
the scriptures, they are true, 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"
2 Timothy 4:4 "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
IN HEARING THAT SCRIPTURE,
None of "US" have the right to open "OUR" mouth aganist ancient Israel, in their failure in accepting the truth and the "GRACE" of God, or the Messiah. if we just look at some of these topic on this board alone,"WE" are just as pagan,.... or worest, than ancient Israel.
it's never to late to repent, thank God the Lord Jesus haven't came back yet.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Modalism doesn't even teach three forms.
It says one God in two forms. The first form is the invisible form of God, the spirit who is the father is the invisible form of God. The father is sometimes called "holy spirit". The other form is the visible form of God, Yeshua is the visible form of the father for he is flesh. He is the image of God.
One God in two forms, invisible and visible, spirit and flesh.
ChristisGod
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Why would you ask that of him ?
Jesus said the OT was about Himself, not the Father.
Luke 24:25-27
25 And He said to them, "O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 " Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?" 27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.
John 5:39-40
39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
Luke 24:44-45
44Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
Jesus said the Holy Spirit will bear witness of HIM, not the Father.
John 15:26
“When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.
John 16:7-9
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me
John 16:13-14
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.
hope this helps !!!
I ask DNB questions about DNB belief's so that I can better understand DNB's beliefs. And I thanked him for his direct answers. Obviously I have some major disagreements with DNB's beliefs, but I now have a much better understanding of what his beliefs are.
When I have questions about God's Truths, I ask God. Not any man.
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
no problem thanks for clarifying.
BTW I quoted Scripture ( Jesus words )not just any man.
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