Yeah, like I could hear your question.. tone?
He who hath ears to hear and all..
And that question Jesus asked...
That's a good question.
Thank God our Lord is patient
Amen
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He who hath ears to hear and all..
And that question Jesus asked...
That's a good question.
Thank God our Lord is patient
Amen
Aye... the TV and computer programming these days is flooded with them. Zombies paying heed to zombies. I remember as a child liking to watch the relatively few horror films of those days even before we had a TV set. I did not know much about God then... I would guess that that was because I still scarcely knew Him. I know Him better to today, but really what I know better is how little I really know. Who would have believed then that within such a very few years the zombies, the vampires and related things of darkness would have gained such a foothold, such a popularity. But then... that same yen for such things I had as a youngster has grown so that even those regularly filling the church pews are so often now moving that way instead of toward God!
I remember my two grandmothers, my paternal grandmother, who loved God above all else and showed it in her daily ways; and my maternal grandmother, who was loaded with ghost stories and other similar things to scare her grandchildren... They were seemingly more than just harmless tales to her. But... to my knowledge she never knew God.
Both of them would be amazed by what so many people today call 'entertainment'!
Soon it will too late for too many! They've stopped up their ears!
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I think Jesus is tired, frustrated.. How long do I have to wait until you understand. I gave you power, All you need to do is believe.
And I told you guys to help me out. What is the problem?
I'm just one person, your my disciples. There is a lot of places to cover.
THESE PEOPLE NEED HELP! And you can't do it.
Your faith is pathetic. C'mon.. get with the program.
I love you but you have to trust me.
That's the tone I hear VictoryinJesus
I think I'm tired too.
I kinda snapped that last reply and I'm sorry
I wasn't listening..
HUGS
The emboldened words of Jesus could easily be rendered in anger or impatience... in expressing the state of mind or heart of an experienced adult to inexperienced adults or children, but Jesus loved them and physically... they were not children.
What tone of voice would we use with our small children who simply did not yet know any better and we were wanting them to begin to understand the problem, and the solution?
"And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?" I Cor 14:7-8
What was Jesus' message to them? What is His message to us? What "tone" is required for the present audience?
When I am tired, especially in the evening or even early in the morning before spending time with the Lord, or anytime when I have allowed my flesh to come to the fore, snapping and such occurs needlessly. I may even speak to my wife with the right words, but after 48 years she knows when the tone is wrong and I will have to apologize.I think Jesus is tired, frustrated.. How long do I have to wait until you understand. I gave you power, All you need to do is believe.
And I told you guys to help me out. What is the problem?
I'm just one person, your my disciples. There is a lot of places to cover.
THESE PEOPLE NEED HELP! And you can't do it.
Your faith is pathetic. C'mon.. get with the program.
I love you but you have to trust me.
That's the tone I hear VictoryinJesus
I think I'm tired too.
I kinda snapped that last reply and I'm sorry
I wasn't listening..
HUGS
I get tired from the present day's activities, but I also get tired from all of the years spent, seeing often my failures instead of His successes... but the solution for each of us is always in coming to Jesus...
"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matt 11:28-30
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makes me think of where he said to suffer the little children to come to him.
And Matthew 23:12-13 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. [13] But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Amen! They [scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites] would not 'suffer' them to enter in, while Jesus 'suffered' them in their ignorance and/or neglect to seek the Way to enter in... Some people today are like that... more concerned with being right themselves than in considering or helping or praying for those who simply walk forward in the darkness without a Light.
Is our Light under a bushel?
Sometimes, I feel like I'm being attacked.
And there is no justification for it. It's usually a simple question or statement.
And it's not about being right or wrong. I feel it's personal, who I am.
Like someone calling you stupid or ignorant under their breath while smiling in your face.
There's a song about that I posted it already though.
anyways.
This is where you open yourself up and show the enemy that soft spot of weakness, ready?
When Victory quoted the passage about Jesus having to suffer people's ignorance or,
what did he say perverseness and faithlessness..
and then questioned, Tone?.
I heard, are you stupid what kind of question is that?
And that the verse that was quoted was directed at me being stupid.
Immediately I felt... oh yeah. wanna play that way huh?
and I went on the defence.
Yeah , you know, tone as in sound..
so I returned an insult for what appeared an insult which after rereading again, I found was no insult at all but rather, the very thing the thread is about. How do you hear this verse.. what tone?
And I felt terrible and I still feel terrible, and that's why I had to appologize.
It wasn't Victory's fault I misunderstood. It was entirely mine.
Something about being rash or too quick to answer..
I know it's in there, maybe proverbs.
Pro 14:29
He that is slow to wrath is of great understanding: but he that is hasty of spirit exalteth folly.
Jas 1:19
Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
I'm still learning and growing and falling down.
But then I made matters even worse, The icing on the cake so to speak.
I blamed it on sleep.
I was tired, and I am tired, I'm always tired. It's a physical thing my body is not in the best of health and it drags me down.
But again, I shifted the blame onto something else instead of seeing the problem was my hastiness.
Hastiness.. that's what it was, and now I'm owning it. It's all mine and I take full responsibility for it.
And Jesus said, if you have something hanging between you and your brother, go and fix it before coming to me.
And though Victory isn't even aware probably of my fault, or maybe they are and more graceful and forgiving, and just let it slide,
of which I am extremely thankful.
The apology I did give was only half full.
And now I feel doubly ashamed.
I find myself now using you amadeus as a liason for my letter to Victory.
I'm sure I could private message them and all would be forgiven and forgotten,
and I thought about deleting this and doing just that.
But I don't want to hide behind a wall and act like everything is ok.
And I know the only way this is going to get fixed is if I confess it openly to my Brother, and to the Church, and to the Lord.
Because posts aren't private, they effect everyone that reads them.
And so I felt an open appology was needed.
I'm not perfect. I make mistakes. And maybe if I put this here, if hastiness ever raises it's ugly head again,
I'll know where to go and remember to be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to wrath.
Understanding is much more valuable than folly.
It's one of those pearls I'm always digging for.
And this one found me.
I am so blessed by each one of you
I'm sorry
and
Thank You
Hugs
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God is love. Jesus was...is... The express image of the Father... The image of love. Nothing Jesus said, or did, was not an expression of that undying passionate selfless love. There could not have been frustration or impatience... That would have been selfish. The tone I see is a pleading passionate yearning that they recognise the true character of the Father. This was Jesus'calling. To glorify the Father. To show forth the true nature of the God they professed to know and worship. A God the Pharisees no longer understood, so wrapped up as they were in their own ego driven self righteous forms and ceremonies. But Jesus still loved them and could see the final end to which they were heading and He was desperate to convince them in any way possible the right way. " But though a man would be raised from the dead, they will not believe". The Pharisees wanted to kill Lazarus because his life was a testimony to Jesus divinity. And Jesus still loved them anyway!!
Of course it would have been tempting to be impatient... Frustrated... Even His words of rebuke.. Woe into you hypocrites... Would have been accompanied with tears and anguish for their sake.
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I’m sorry you felt that way. That was the furthest from what I was thinking or attempting to say. Instead the thread you started here is brilliant and thought provoking. Tone is something I’ve always struggled with. For the longest time I was taught many verses are full of sarcasm and demeaning ...like what you mentioned ‘stupid’ ‘ignorant’; little by little the tone has changed to where I don’t hear so much sarcasm. No need to feel bad or apologize. I’ve experienced the same tear downs. Sometimes I misread tones too. After having things like that said so much, it gets to ‘here comes another one.’ Sometimes I have to walk away and go to Him and see what His message is. A completely different tone than what is beating you up and wearing you out.
@VictoryinJesus When I think of the word tone I sometimes think of toner ink for my printer (when the printer even works...)
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haha our printer is not working right now. It keeps saying busy and will not print.
When I think of tone ...I think of movies that are dark and moody, or light and encouraging.
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One thing I do know is that Jesus waits patiently as some of his people fight for their egos to be vindicated. I know what that feels like and repent. That's not how I want to be. I need to see more through the lens of being forgiven much. I need to see that those I disagree with struggle with their own stuff.
Yesterday I was visited by a couple in the Community from the World Mission Society Church of God. Most of you would not know about this organisation. They have their own Jesus living today in Korea; a reincarnation.
God protect me from evil ideas and evil practices.
Yesterday I was visited by a couple in the Community from the World Mission Society Church of God. Most of you would not know about this organisation. They have their own Jesus living today in Korea; a reincarnation.
God protect me from evil ideas and evil practices.
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‘Woe’ has a tone?
Revelation 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
1 John 2:8-9 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. [9] He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
Revelation 21:4-5 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
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I had a thought..
another one?
shhh
God heard the voice of Abels blood crying from the ground..
Gen 4:10
And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
You know what I heard?
no what?
Luk 23:34
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
It's FRIDAY!
Shalom
another one?
shhh
God heard the voice of Abels blood crying from the ground..
Gen 4:10
And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
You know what I heard?
no what?
Luk 23:34
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
It's FRIDAY!
Shalom
Sometimes it may really be an attack. Without mentioning names we know that it does occur here on this forum at times. Some people cannot help themselves in it, I would guess. The carnal mind works that way. What I see in many calling themselves, Christians, is a double-mindedness. Only someone who has truly overcome completely and finally as did Jesus is never double-minded. All of us who are ever like that [me certainly counted among the guilty] needs to be praying against and working to eliminate that "old man" way in ourselves.
When we see others apparently doing that to us, we really need to hold fast onto the Lord and ask for help in controlling our own tongue [typing fingers] so as not to do something as bad or worse than what we think that we see.
Unfortunately, even Jesus who was unflawed was attacked. He really had no weaknesses as we do, but he had enemies who tested him regularly. He always responded in the right way. We need help if ever we are to always do the same. When to be silent? When to speak and what to say? Etc.?
@VictoryinJesus may perhaps be first to admit that sometimes the purpose of her posts are not easy to see by some... including me for sure. She knows what she is saying or questioning, but I still have trouble at times pinpointing her question or theme and responding to her. I know that she says many good things, but I am frequently simply unable to hear them. No offense intended @VictoryinJesus !
Having said that, in her heart, I believe that she is one of the good ones here.
She simply sometimes types things out without filling in some important details for me. She sees and understands those details, but doesn't realize that some like me are left in a fog.
I am sure that some of my posts hit others the same way.
I would suppose that her husband [he is also a member here] understands most of the time where she is coming from...
Still as we see from this very conversation that the tone of one is not always well understood or even not understood at all by others. Communication between believers especially is a problem. Some are working on it here. Others... not so much! Help us all dear Lord to do better in following you and Your Way!
Who but God always has it right?
Be blessed and give God the glory!
'Oh that My head were waters,
.. and mine eyes a fountain of tears,
.... that I might weep day and night
...... for the slain of the daughter of My People!
Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men;
.. that I might leave My People, and go from them!
.... for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men.
...... And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies:
........ but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth;
.......... for they proceed from evil to evil,
............ and they know not me, saith the LORD.'
(Jeremiah 9:1-3)
* This gives us a glimpse of God's heart doesn't it?
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris
.. and mine eyes a fountain of tears,
.... that I might weep day and night
...... for the slain of the daughter of My People!
Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men;
.. that I might leave My People, and go from them!
.... for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men.
...... And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies:
........ but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth;
.......... for they proceed from evil to evil,
............ and they know not me, saith the LORD.'
(Jeremiah 9:1-3)
* This gives us a glimpse of God's heart doesn't it?
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris
Hi @Ziggy,
I do know what you mean about hearing the tone of what is being said as you read the word of God. It is also the Holy Spirit's sword isn't it? He uses it to quicken us, to stop us in our tracks, to make us consider, to question, to reduce us to tears of gratitude at the mercy, love and grace of God revealed. He divides flesh from spirit and causes us to distinguish between the two. He uses it to show when we are walking in vanity and not being true. He is working in us to do of His good pleasure, for we are His workmanship. I do thank God for His hand upon my life, where would I be without Him?!
Thank you, Ziggy.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
I see Noah's Ark written all over this.
The waters and the tears and weeping for 40 days and nights.. oh my
The Ark is the lodging place and all the animals on it are the poeples and nations that come to Him.
He put Noah and company in a safe place, while he cried and cried for all those who would be left behind.
And they bend their tongues and make false promises,
And God set his own tongue like a Rainbow in the sky and promised never to do that again.
Oh MY..
Luk 9:35
And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Act 1:9
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
The Promise..
The Manna..
The Loaves and fishes that were "taken up" ...
Somebody left my grandma's jewelry box open today, and ...
talk about pearls..wow
Thank You Chis!
I can see clearly now the rain has gone..
I can see (almost not quite) all obstacles in my way..
Here is that RAINBOW I been praying for..
It's gonna be a bright bright sun shiny day!!!
You mixed up the verses..
Here..
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