Ok, thanks I’ll have to wait and see how this goes, something about what I’m hearing doesn’t fit. I’m gonna hit the rack I’ve had about maybe 10 hrs of sleep in the last three day and am exhausted from the night shift.
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Ziggy
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I don't want to battle Paul again... whaaa...
Look, there is a beast that wants to devour the child before it is born..
And it gets carried into the wilderness... where we are.
And until we see and hear, we will not believe.
We are already there... where? ... in the beginning..
And round and round she goes. and it will go on forever and ever Amen.
God is making a very large family... and we are just one of those generations.
But we all have to go through the flood and the fire. The trials and temptations.
Not only people but the whole world and the heavens also.
When we are born.. then the womb becomes empty.. elements all dissappear.. and we begin again.
Look, there is a beast that wants to devour the child before it is born..
And it gets carried into the wilderness... where we are.
And until we see and hear, we will not believe.
We are already there... where? ... in the beginning..
And round and round she goes. and it will go on forever and ever Amen.
God is making a very large family... and we are just one of those generations.
But we all have to go through the flood and the fire. The trials and temptations.
Not only people but the whole world and the heavens also.
When we are born.. then the womb becomes empty.. elements all dissappear.. and we begin again.
John the Baptist was a prophet, and he prophetically saw the Bridegroom and the Bride in the future. The Church (the Body of Christ) is not only the Body, but also the Bride and the Building. Kindly do a Concordance search for yourself. The Bride must become the Lamb's Wife eventually.
Ziggy
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And God caused a deep sleep and took a rib and made a woman.
what is this rib?
We are not the body, we are taken out of the body. the woman that is.. the bride.
this is now bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh and they two shall become one.
If they two shall be one, why seperate them in the beginning??
Rib...
what is this rib?
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what is this rib?
We are not the body, we are taken out of the body. the woman that is.. the bride.
this is now bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh and they two shall become one.
If they two shall be one, why seperate them in the beginning??
Rib...
what is this rib?
thinking
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101G
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Revelation 21:9 "And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
Revelation 21:10 "And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,"
Holy City? Matthew 27:50 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."Matthew 27:51 "And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;"Matthew 27:52 "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,"Matthew 27:53 "And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."
Revelation 21:10 "that great city, the holy Jerusalem", Matthew 27:53, "the holy city". BINGO, that "GREAT" city. the NEW city. the Holy city, NEW JERUSALEM. where are the saints, the Church, let's find them, Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." BINGO, now who is the TEMPLE of the NEW CITY? answer, Revelation 21:22 "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." John just gave us the answer, not a physical Temple, made with human hands, but an eternal BUILDING ETERNAL... now put "Matthew 27:52 & 53 together with out resurrection... BINGO.
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Ziggy
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Branch.. the rib is a branch..
Isa 4:2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
Eze 17:22 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also take of the highest branch of the high cedar, and will set it; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs a tender one, and will plant it upon an high mountain and eminent:
Revelation 21:10 "And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,"
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Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. (1 Corinthians 2:14)
I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
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Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Ephesians 5.24-27 @Waiting on him
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Ephesians 5.24-27 @Waiting on him
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Are we the seed within her (New Jerusalem) ...or is Christ the incorruptible seed within her?
Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
I was studying this quite awhile back and learned alot..
10.3. Israel Married to Jehovah Commentary - A Testimony of Jesus Christ
Here are snips from an article on the topic..
The nation Israel is unlikely to be the Lamb’s bride because she has already been wed. God the Father is Israel’s husband: 1
“Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.” (Jer. Jer. 3:14) [emphasis added]
Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also. (Jer. Jer. 3:8) [emphasis added]
The LORD’s accomplished purpose in Israel’s chastening also will result in the reestablishment of her original husband-wife relationship to the LORD.2
The relationship between Israel and Jehovah is dramatically different than what the NT records concerning Christ and His bride. Perhaps the most significant difference is that the marriage of Jehovah to Israel occurred in time past, whereas the marriage of Christ with His bride has not yet taken place. This is the subject of the passage before us.
Israel in her land was the wife of Jehovah (Jer. Jer. 3:14-20; Isa. Isa. 54:1), but the wife was divorced because of her iniquity. Israel, however, is to be reinstated in Jehovah’s favour. But a divorced wife can never again be a virgin, and it is not a divorced wife but a virgin whom the Lord marries (Lev. Lev. 21:14).3
Notes
1 “Israel in captivity is prefigured as a wife (Isa. Isa. 54:5; Isa. 62:5 [Jerusalem]) put away for unfaithfulness, who is childless and desolate.”—Merrill F. Unger, Unger’s Commentary on the Old Testament (Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers, 2002), Rev. 54:1.
2 Ibid., Hos. 2:15.
3 Walter Scott, Exposition of The Revelation (London, England: Pickering & Inglis, n.d.), Rev. 19:6.
The LORD’s accomplished purpose in Israel’s chastening also will result in the reestablishment of her original husband-wife relationship to the LORD.2
The relationship between Israel and Jehovah is dramatically different than what the NT records concerning Christ and His bride. Perhaps the most significant difference is that the marriage of Jehovah to Israel occurred in time past, whereas the marriage of Christ with His bride has not yet taken place. This is the subject of the passage before us.
Israel in her land was the wife of Jehovah (Jer. Jer. 3:14-20; Isa. Isa. 54:1), but the wife was divorced because of her iniquity. Israel, however, is to be reinstated in Jehovah’s favour. But a divorced wife can never again be a virgin, and it is not a divorced wife but a virgin whom the Lord marries (Lev. Lev. 21:14).3
Notes
1 “Israel in captivity is prefigured as a wife (Isa. Isa. 54:5; Isa. 62:5 [Jerusalem]) put away for unfaithfulness, who is childless and desolate.”—Merrill F. Unger, Unger’s Commentary on the Old Testament (Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers, 2002), Rev. 54:1.
2 Ibid., Hos. 2:15.
3 Walter Scott, Exposition of The Revelation (London, England: Pickering & Inglis, n.d.), Rev. 19:6.
The above verse is revealing something extremely profound alright. It is a huge Key to answering your question OP.
@Waiting on him... You need to really, and I mean REALLY meditate on what 'two shall be one' means with regards to the Bride of Christ. Yes, we are talking 'Birds and the Bees' here, and that is precisely what will happen in the New Heaven and New Earth.
I will try and explain.
When a Man and a Woman decide to make a baby, it is not just 'two shall become one', it is FIVE shall become one...
- Father
- Mother
- Father's Seed
- Woman's Seed
- Spirit/Soul of Baby
The last, most crucial step is for the 5) Spirit and Soul of the Child to enter into the Zygote. That is called the moment of conception.
Step 5 is something that most folks never really consider, yet that is what we read here...
Revelation 2:7
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."
When we partake of the Tree of Life, it is at that moment that our Spirit and Soul enter into the Zygote. In fact, the exact opposite happened to us when we entered into our Mother's belly. We partook of the Tree. Not the Tree of Life, but the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil...
I will now reveal how the previous 'five become one' fit with the Bride of Christ.
FIVE shall become one...
- Father - Abraham/One on the Throne
- Mother - Sarah/New Jerusalem
- Father's Seed - Blood of the Lamb/Christ
- Woman's Seed - Fruit of the Tree of Life
- Spirit/Soul of Baby - The Saved
#1 Father:
Revelation 4:2
"And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."
The 'One' on the throne is the Father portion of the Godhead/Trinity. The One is also a representation of Abraham.
#2 Mother:
Revelation 21:2
"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
New Jerusalem is Sarah and the Bride of the Lamb, which brings us to...
#3 Father's Seed:
Revelation 5:6
"And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."
The Lamb is the 'Word' portion of the Trinity/Godhead. The reason it is 'slain' is to point the reader to the Blood of Christ. The Blood of Christ is a representation of Abraham's Seed...
Galatians 3:29
"And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Abraham's Seed needs to fertilize Sarah's Ovum...
#4 Mother's Seed:
Revelation 22:2
"In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."
Notice that the Tree of Life (Sarah's Ovaries) produces Fruit on a 'Monthly Cycle', alluding to menstruation.
Fertilization takes place here...
Revelation 22:1
"And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb."
The Throne represents the Phallus that sends 'Waters' to the Ovaries to fertilize the Fruit. Once the Fruit is fertilized, the Spirit and Souls of the Saved can now partake and become Born Again...
By the way...
The Throne Room is none other than Abraham's Bosom...
That is where the Saved rest until they can be led into the Pearly Gates.
Bottom line...
The Marriage Supper is all about Abraham and Sarah having Children via the 'Seed' of the Blood of the Lamb as well as the 'Seed' of the Fruit of the Tree of Life.
As a side note, Melchizedek represents God's 'sperm' so to speak.
And now you should understand what this verse is ultimately teaching...
2 Corinthians 11:2
"For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ."
The real 'Marriage' happens in the belly of Sarah's Womb... aka... New Jerusalem, when the Saved enter the Zygote to become Born Again.
Very good.
The Olive Tree represents the Chromatid, while the Candlestick represents DNA...
Each 'Branch' of the Candle Stick represents a Nucleotide.
Perhaps somewhere in all of that, God took Adam's 'X' Chromosome and formed Eve...
As a side note, the Two Olive Trees 'joined' represent a Chromosome...
Ziggy
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Ziggy
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Isa 50:1 Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.
Psa 135:21 Blessed be the LORD out of Zion, which dwelleth at Jerusalem. Praise ye the LORD.
1Ki 8:1 Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion.
Shhhh..
Deu 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:
Neh 13:1 On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever;
watch...
Rth 1:22 So Naomi returned, and Ruth the Moabitess, her daughter in law, with her, which returned out of the country of Moab: and they came to Bethlehem in the beginning of barley harvest.
Rth 4:5 Then said Boaz, What day thou buyest the field of the hand of Naomi, thou must buy it also of Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of the dead, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance.
Rth 4:9 And Boaz said unto the elders, and unto all the people, Ye are witnesses this day, that I have bought all that was Elimelech's, and all that was Chilion's and Mahlon's, of the hand of Naomi.
Rth 4:13 So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bare a son.
1Ch 2:12 And Boaz begat Obed, and Obed begat Jesse,
1Ch 2:13 And Jesse begat his firstborn Eliab, and Abinadab the second, and Shimma the third,
1Ch 2:14 Nethaneel the fourth, Raddai the fifth,
1Ch 2:15 Ozem the sixth, David the seventh:
Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
shhhh...
Gen 16:1 Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
Gen 16:2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
Gen 16:3 And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Zion.
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isa 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isa 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
watch...
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:26 In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
sa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Jhn 19:21 Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.
Why do we still listen under the traditions of men?
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Lol, the modern church has the bride going up in a assumed rapture, but all the witnesses of the New Testament alleged the bride is coming down.
Prayer Warrior
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Ah, looks like you’ve found some answers, even if they seem a bit farfetched. Looks to me like someone is filling in some blanks, but what do I know? I only read the Bible. I don’t try to make everything fit into a neat little package that makes perfect sense to my mind.
I get it,Ah, looks like you’ve found some answers, even if they seem a bit farfetched. Looks to me like someone is filling in some blanks, but what do I know? I only read the Bible. I don’t try to make everything fit into a neat little package that makes perfect sense to my mind.
The Baptist said he saw the bridegroom with the bride. I want to know what John saw. I believe I know, yet most I encounter say it was me?
Hebrews 4:16 KJV
[16] Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
What’s written is John saw a bodily form like a dove descending on Him. I believe this was his only encounter with Jesus. I have no doubts as to who the bridegroom is, also Jesus Himself identified His disciples as the Children of the bride chamber.
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